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Mr Twisty · 02-21-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CRChevy

I don't understand why people keep talking about Z28 at all. I am new to forums but can't understand why people say " ill skip the zl1 and wait for the z28" , I'm waiting for the V10 myself

does anyone really think they will release a car factory with over 550HP ? As a matter of fact, yes, they will (are)

People think there is goinna be like 10 different engine choices this is NUTS And why is that nuts? Actually it would only be 4 different engines, not 10
why can't people accept the fact that the TOP CAMARO for the foreseeable future is the ZL1. That's acceptable, but faster isn't necessarily quicker

I can't imagine anything faster coming to showrooms maybe hennessey or someone but this is crazy everyone should be happy about the ZL1 screw the name it's the beast everyone has been waiting for.

You mentioned envy. If I was envious of a car it would be the SST Camaro. But I'm not, I'm happy for speedster getting what he wanted.

Sawyer · 02-21-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Berean

The Z28 should compete with the 302. That's the traditional history.

1. Tuned LS3, or LS7, 480-500hp. CAI.
2. Coilovers, upgraded sways, strut tower brace.
3. More aggressive exhaust. Headers would be nice also.
4. Delete options such as rear seat etc. Need to lose at 300lbs.
5. No tech gadgets like parking assist, HUD, bluetooth, OR ONSTAR!!
6. No leather!
7. Forged 19" wheels.

Just a stripped down, lean, mean, track machine.

GrnMchin · 02-21-2011, 11:14 PM

Envy hardly, for what a supercharged LS3 with suede overlay interior, butt ugly hood and front end. No envy here. I just want something a little more substantial. The suspension on the ZL1 is the only cool thing. Hp is cool, but is nullified by weight. So give me 500hp 480 lbs tq and 3400 lbs then roll it into something cool and exciting and I will buy. Call it a Z28 or what ever. I want a 4 seater at 50k not the 2 seater ZO6 at 75k.

Fightinfire921 · 02-22-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GrnMchin

Envy hardly, for what a supercharged LS3 with suede overlay interior, butt ugly hood and front end. No envy here. I just want something a little more substantial. The suspension on the ZL1 is the only cool thing. Hp is cool, but is nullified by weight. So give me 500hp 480 lbs tq and 3400 lbs then roll it into something cool and exciting and I will buy. Call it a Z28 or what ever. I want a 4 seater at 50k not the 2 seater ZO6 at 75k.

Very well said.

Shu71 · 02-22-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

You mentioned envy. If I was envious of a car it would be the SST Camaro. But I'm not, I'm happy for speedster getting what he wanted.

What is this SST you speak of?

baby02 · 02-22-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CRChevy

I don't understand why people keep talking about Z28 at all. I am new to forums but can't understand why people say " ill skip the zl1 and wait for the z28" , does anyone really think they will release a car factory with over 550HP ? People think there is goinna be like 10 different engine choices this is NUTS why can't people accept the fact that the TOP CAMARO for the foreseeable future is the ZL1. I can't imagine anything faster coming to showrooms maybe hennessey or someone but this is crazy everyone should be happy about the ZL1 screw the name it's the beast everyone has been waiting for.

?How you forgotten about the caddy? 556HP.

el ess A · 02-22-2011, 11:15 AM

Make a Z/26 for 6 cyl. and a Z/28 for 8 cyl. Turbo them both to around 390-520 HP and and be done with it. Ok, I'm joking.

IF there's a Z/28, I'm going to guess it's not going to be until 2013 or beyond, more likely when the weight loss occurs. IMO, it should REPLACE the current SS, the SS then could get a bit more potent to make headroom for it. There's more than one way to skin a cat and still have what I feel should be the intended pecking order.

Then again, IIRC, this is the first time in HISTORY that Camaros were made back to back years without a Z/28 in the lineup. So you never know what Chevy is up to. Just hope they keep it interesting.

Mr Twisty · 02-22-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shu71

What is this SST you speak of?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88877
Very cool build

ViperTomcat · 02-22-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GrnMchin

Envy hardly, for what a supercharged LS3 with suede overlay interior, butt ugly hood and front end. No envy here. I just want something a little more substantial. The suspension on the ZL1 is the only cool thing. Hp is cool, but is nullified by weight. So give me 500hp 480 lbs tq and 3400 lbs then roll it into something cool and exciting and I will buy. Call it a Z28 or what ever. I want a 4 seater at 50k not the 2 seater ZO6 at 75k.

You really dont know much about the LSA do you?

The ZL1 will likely be around 3900LB with 550+HP and TQ. And its dual mode exhaust means that hopefully people wont have to blow alot of coin on a aftermarket exhaust.

GrnMchin · 02-22-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

You really dont know much about the LSA do you?

The ZL1 will likely be around 3900LB with 550+HP and TQ. And its dual mode exhaust means that hopefully people wont have to blow alot of coin on a aftermarket exhaust.

Why yes the LSA is a better block w/ some better internals (short answer) and why I'm not a expert on LS series engines your missing the big picture. For a car around the 50k mark and supercharged that's hardly ground breaking (stronger is better and for warranty reasons as well). The LSA adds weight to an already heavy car and the front end is still butt ass ugly. The car is far from what I would call cutting edge. I'm not saying the car doesn't have some good qualities, but over all is not for me. I lean more towards NA cars then FI ones. The 7 yr old 04 ZO6 with 404 hp puts down 7.9lbs per hp compared w/ the ZL1 7.1 lbs per hp. Use the same formula GM did w/ the ZO6 put in a four seater and make it attractive then I'm game. This is why there are more then a few of us car people who want something more/ different/ etc and look to a Z28 option not the ZL1.

ViperTomcat · 02-22-2011, 11:07 PM

The ZL1 will be using some carbon fiber and other materials to balance out the weight. The wheels alone are 20 pounds lighter a piece.

GrnMchin · 02-23-2011, 09:30 AM

I would agree that the ZL1 will come in around 3900-3800 mark, but still to heavy. My 2010 is around 3900 stk. GM needs to cut down the weight by about 400-500 lbs.

Revo1 · 02-23-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GrnMchin

I would agree that the ZL1 will come in around 3900-3800 mark, but still to heavy. My 2010 is around 3900 stk. GM need to cut down the weight by about 400-500 lbs.

Diet.

GrnMchin · 02-23-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Revo1

Diet.

Yes please.

02-21-2011, 11:14 PM	#59
GrnMchin Not easy being Green Drives: 67 Nova SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,256	Envy hardly, for what a supercharged LS3 with suede overlay interior, butt ugly hood and front end. No envy here. I just want something a little more substantial. The suspension on the ZL1 is the only cool thing. Hp is cool, but is nullified by weight. So give me 500hp 480 lbs tq and 3400 lbs then roll it into something cool and exciting and I will buy. Call it a Z28 or what ever. I want a 4 seater at 50k not the 2 seater ZO6 at 75k. __________________ The 68 Camaro build project

02-22-2011, 11:15 AM	#63
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,561	Make a Z/26 for 6 cyl. and a Z/28 for 8 cyl. Turbo them both to around 390-520 HP and and be done with it. Ok, I'm joking. IF there's a Z/28, I'm going to guess it's not going to be until 2013 or beyond, more likely when the weight loss occurs. IMO, it should REPLACE the current SS, the SS then could get a bit more potent to make headroom for it. There's more than one way to skin a cat and still have what I feel should be the intended pecking order. Then again, IIRC, this is the first time in HISTORY that Camaros were made back to back years without a Z/28 in the lineup. So you never know what Chevy is up to. Just hope they keep it interesting. __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

02-23-2011, 09:30 AM	#68
GrnMchin Not easy being Green Drives: 67 Nova SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,256	I would agree that the ZL1 will come in around 3900-3800 mark, but still to heavy. My 2010 is around 3900 stk. GM needs to cut down the weight by about 400-500 lbs. __________________ The 68 Camaro build project Last edited by GrnMchin; 02-23-2011 at 11:15 AM.

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02-22-2011, 11:07 PM	#67
ViperTomcat Banned Drives: 2011 Avenger Heat Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,697	The ZL1 will be using some carbon fiber and other materials to balance out the weight. The wheels alone are 20 pounds lighter a piece.