05-29-2011, 12:05 PM | #85 | |
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Btw, I'll tweak my ZL1 the day I get it. |
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05-29-2011, 12:14 PM | #86 |
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Pete, thanks for your input.
I agree a modified LS3 is the way to go for a new Z/28. What's your opinion of the 376/480 LS3? |
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Instead use what exist and by adding to it's production it should lower the cost. |
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ZL1 = GT500 Z28 = Boss OK not really equal, better. |
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05-29-2011, 12:32 PM | #90 | |
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Im not hung up on the weight... I just want it to handle like its on rails! Hell the boss is heavier than the GT coupe so what makes us think the Camaro isn't going to be the same way Last edited by ShnOmac; 05-29-2011 at 12:47 PM. |
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05-29-2011, 01:03 PM | #91 |
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"What is 'right' as a Z/28", should be the question.
Whether we like it or not, the BOSS is the benchmark. Take a 1SS...cloth (standard-grippier seats)...lightest that exists. Deletes will save a few pounds, but sadly will ADD COST. Minimized sound deadener. Seam sealer plays well north of the Mason-Dixon. Thin glass? Not really. Can the console be deleted, and the necessary hardware re-routed? What about an RPO for Rear Seat/Belts/Bags Delete as a separate option? ZL1 Forged Wheels/Tires (or perhaps a Z/28-specific tire like the new Michelin Pilot Super Sports?) ZL1 Brakes/ABS/StabiliTrak/TC Revised Springs/Bars/Bushings...as required (Pete, do you need a PO?) Wet-sump LS7 with ZL1 Tremec ZL1 Splitter/Spoiler Pkg. ONLY Z/28-specific Headrests/Mats ONLY Z/28-specific Badges/Graphics (graphics deleteable @ n/c) Z/28 Rear 1/4 Vents ala "Leno" - non-functional, but "someone" will have a kit... NO "trick" hood/ground effects/geegaws... ZL1 HD Driveline pieces (diff/axles etc.) In this raging debate over LS7 vs. enhanced LS3, two distinct advantages exist: 1) The LS7 is a "done deal"...good-to-go, as they say 2) If you build a 500hp LS3+, it will NEVER have the TORQUE of the LS7. Pete, is more torque a good thing on a track, especially for corner exit? On the street? Is there anywhere that extra torque is a bad thing, icy roads excepted? |
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Two additional GM beancounter benefits:
1) Utilizing ZL1 components brings their unit co$t down...cheaper for the Zee, more profit for the BIG Zee 2) Same applies to the "outrageous" co$t of the LS7...more built = lower unit cost The more commonality between 1SS AND ZL1 AND Z/28, the quicker the lil Zee will happen, at reduced cost, and at reduced "burden". And at INCREASED PROFITS for GM. After all, more units, sooner = more profits... Based on the Chicago Announcement timeline of about 9 months to showrrom floor, using pre-developed ZL1 components potentially shaves time AND cost. But I like the NAIAS Annoucement timeline...with Spring'12 deliveries... |
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I'm lowdown with that!
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^hence the need for overdrive.
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I was actually just thinking about this while dreaming about the future Z/28. Any guesses on when the "point of diminishing returns" starts to come into play on our Camaro? Lets say we are running 305's on all four corners and of course its fully pedderised.....
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Update:
I came across this previous post from Number 3, which certainly has merit... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=131653&page=3 Post #54 ...which reinforces my contention that "deleting" and "substitution" on a significant scale will co$t a TON...but not come close to SAVING a "ton". "Race car prepping", although changing the basic dynamics through a lowered cg and lowered Curb Weight, will make the car unliveable, on a regular/daily basis, for most of those seriously interested in such a "hard core handler", while literally exposing the car to a shortened life in climates other than the desert SouthWest... Maybe GM PP needs to offer an "SSX Package"...racer-friendly...and then, to quote Darrell Waltrip and NASCAR, "Have at 'er, boyz!" 1) Let's be careful with features/options to minimize CW, while watching the cost/benefit closely; 2) To get to or under 8.0 lbs/hp (BOSS territory), again while watching the cost/benefit factors, simply requires an LS7 with wet-sump. A 450hp enhanced LS3, in a 3700lb chassis = 8.22 lb/hp, is heavier than the BOSS, with a greater overall Mass, and greater Frontal Area. Too close to call, how this comparo might turn out. 3850lb/500hp = 7.7...with faaarrr more torque than the BOSS...or any n/a LS3. I think this one wins...everytime! |
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