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Old 12-01-2008, 12:35 AM   #51
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Now supposing you were able to get your hands on a JATO rocket...
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:00 AM   #52
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The ZR1 with 630 horsepower barely breaches the 200 MPH mark. I love the Camaro, but it won't even come CLOSE. Your mathematical formula doesn't mean anything because it doesn't factor in aerodynamic drag. In fact, I thought the 4th gens actually topped out in 5th gear, because there wasn't enough power to overcome the aerodynamic drag in 6th.
Truthfully, I still think some people would be surprised! I do agree with your thoughts on aerodynamic drag however. I will say this though. Whenever I get the new car magazines, I routinely use my formulas to see how close to their red line limited speeds I come to. I'm always off, but usually by a margin of between 3-7mph. Once speeds do get way up there, (over 190 or so) the margin does indeed increase.

There is one thing I do remember from back in '84 that you might find interesting. They took a new Trans Am (.32 drag coefficient) and stuck one of those black Buick's engines/turbo etc. in it and turned it loose. With the Grand National's goodies, but with the outstanding aerodynamics of the 3rd gen T/A, they got it up to 204mph! Woof!!!
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:08 AM   #53
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Well, the 5th gens don't have enough power to do that, the Z06 doesn't either, so I imagine that a stock 4th gen has a snowballs chance . . .

I ran a bunch of numbers a while ago, and the 5th gen SS's should top out at 175-185 mph. Auto is gear limited, manual is aero limited. I think. Exact numbers are not possible because I could only estimate the cross section and there haven't been any dyno runs.
I'd like to encourage you to see what numbers you come up with once these Camaro's come out, if you have the time. A while back in another thread I told headpunter that he was one of the small number of guys who's posts I most look forward to reading. You are also one of that small number of people who I make it a point to read completely when I see you've written something! Have fun for now. Vrooooommmmmm
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Hide away headlights would be awesome... IMHO
They would be awesome don't worry aftermarket suppliers are already working on it
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:42 AM   #55
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All as options in no particular order:

Painted stripes
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Now that I've had time to thoroughly look over current options, here's what I'd like to see in 2011, 2012 in order of preference:

Push Button Start as standard
HUD as an option
3.73 Gears as an option
Heated/Cooled seats as an option
Factory Supercharger as an option
Offer cloth seats in a 2SS as an option

Do something different with the wire loom coming out of the right side of the trunk on the 2010 model. Hide it or somehow run it in the trunk canal.

Keep the 4 pack console gauges, but have something more meaningful in the 6 speed manual other than transmission temperature.
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I'd like a package with small, lightweight wheels with good tires, Recaro seats, and maybe some other simple performance goodies like the short throw shifter. A Brembo brakes and FE3 suspension package for the V6 would be nice as well.
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Old 01-21-2009, 01:09 AM   #58
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1 - HUD added to the Convenience & Connectivity package (and thus 2LT + 2SS)
2 - Offer the Convenience & Connectivity on the 1SS just like the 1LT, seriously excluding the 1SS is just annoying
3 - Recaro seat option for the SS models (very similiar to CTS-V)
4 - Include ambient lighting in the dealer installed trim packages, or as seperate option that can be purchased in tandem
5 - Make the Halo's the DRL's rather than the fog lights on the RS
6 - Don't have a 6, I'm sure I'll find one more thing after getting a test drive
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leather option without a 2SS or 2LT
cheaper and painted GFX!
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Get rid of that rope hanging out of the trunk.


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Hmm... the current options pretty much hit everything that I want... oh, there is one thing! 2011 models should include .... HER!


Sorry, anything that says "Hot Import Nights" on the front of it is a NO GO for me.
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I'll go ahead and say it... how could GM let this happen? They have 5 years to develop the new Camaro and no force field to protect from uninsured drivers???? I'm buying a Honda.
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Cool 2011-2012

Four pack gauges for the 1SS as a option. Some people don't want leather seats.

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Get rid of that rope hanging out of the trunk.




Sorry, anything that says "Hot Import Nights" on the front of it is a NO GO for me.
Wow, ummmm so.... Are you serious!!!!!!!! Look at that F(#*&$^# Chick and tell me that you are joking!
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[QUOTE=SScattergunSS;205181] Once speeds do get way up there, (over 190 or so) the margin does indeed increase.
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The rules of aerodynamic drag don't start to apply at 190mph, they start at 0.

As speed doubles, the amount of power required to achieve that speed is squared.

The difference in 160mph and 180 mph is about 100hp. A 300hp car (4th gen F-body) can hit 160. But it takes AT LEAST 400hp to hit 180, and that's if the car has a low Cd.

As for what I'd like to see:

DI 6.2 LS4
NPP exhaust like on the C6 Corvette (baffles open at full throttle)
Carbon fiber body panels
LS7??
19" forged wheels
Functional hood scoop. Non-functional bling is for ricers.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:51 AM   #67
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drive train from the CTS-V (we know it works)
Carbon fiber: Hood/Fenders
Gen1 spoiler
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Why am I not surprised this is your response?
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-Hide away headlights
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-Hide away headlights
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It already has true duals.
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It already has true duals.
You learn something new everyday. I did not know that, thanks for the information.
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VINYL TOP!!!! Just kidding. I want to see a functional ram air hood, some more interior color choices like white, blue, red. Oh, one more thing....JETSTREAM BLUE METALLIC!!!
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I have always been a fan of the 69 Camaro's "Hounds tooth" interior...along with white interior(white seating surfaces,door panels).I would love to see a option like this for a future options package,GM could call it a "heritage classic"package or something like that.
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