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Old 11-26-2008, 11:11 AM   #18
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What if GM goes back to congress and they say: OK, you can have your money, but the Camaro sends the wrong message from what we want and you must scrap the Camaro program if you want our money
Man if that happened, I would have to double-check to make sure i'm still in America.

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Old 11-26-2008, 02:18 PM   #19
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What if GM goes back to congress and they say: OK, you can have your money, but the Camaro sends the wrong message from what we want and you must scrap the Camaro program if you want our money.

Will GM turn down the money, or hand the reigns of the business over to government?
Well, if I worked for GM, I'd say they need to reevaluate their terms of the loan. I'd say that congress wants GM to be able to flourish and make the money it needs to do well in this economy, but also be able to further its research into alternative fuels...and then I'd mention the Volt.

I'd say that if the Camaro product lines were scrapped, Billions of dollars would basically be thrown down the drain. And then, I'd ask for compensation of that model line. In other words, ...."we want you to scrap the Camaro...wrong message."

GM: "Okay. And so far, we've put in 7.2 BILLION dollars (I have NO idea what they have put into it...just a random #...). So, if you want us to scrap it, tack on another 7.2Billion on top of the 12 billion we are already requesting."

Congress: "sorry...no more money."

GM: "Then you will be forcing bankruptcy on us."

This scenario will never happen. GM would never go for it unless they managed to get the gov't to reimburse them for everything they've put into it. Even then...got good. won't ever happen, though.
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:38 PM   #20
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good info, thanks everyone
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:43 PM   #21
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Unless they changed or do change it...

Monday February 16th, 2009 is the first day of production.

Add processing, loading, and transportation time to your destination from Oshawa.

Depends on where you are in line as well. Other things like batches of certain colors perhaps.
I hope that day is fact That day is President's Day though....does that holiday count in Canada?
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:54 PM   #22
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I hope that day is fact That day is President's Day though....does that holiday count in Canada?
We don't have a president . . .
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:59 PM   #23
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We don't have a president . . .
No wonder it's so crazy up there!
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:45 PM   #24
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What if GM goes back to congress and they say: OK, you can have your money, but the Camaro sends the wrong message from what we want and you must scrap the Camaro program if you want our money.

Will GM turn down the money, or hand the reigns of the business over to government?
Not a chance of that happening. GM has too much money invested in the program. Not just Camaro, but other cars built on the same Zeta platform. GM would have to say cancel the much too common SUV Gas gussling "family car". Camaro is very respectable regarding fuel usage. GM is showing the world that you can have appealling performance as well as respectable fuel economy. How can that be considered the "wrong message"? I would be damn proud to claim 300 HP and 27 MPG. As it is I will have to settle for 422+ HP with 23 MPG.
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:55 PM   #25
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No wonder it's so crazy up there!
You FUNNY guy. Mr. Comedian -good work.




On the serious side, Rick Wagoner already told Congress that GM's less fuel-efficient vehicles have been put on the back burner, and in the future, they may not continue.

That was before all 3 CEO's got globally spanked for their snotty, selfish, greedy - I'm RICH and I like it - attitudes.

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Old 11-28-2008, 06:35 PM   #26
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Old 11-28-2008, 07:57 PM   #27
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Not a chance of that happening. GM has too much money invested in the program. Not just Camaro, but other cars built on the same Zeta platform. GM would have to say cancel the much too common SUV Gas gussling "family car". Camaro is very respectable regarding fuel usage. GM is showing the world that you can have appealling performance as well as respectable fuel economy. How can that be considered the "wrong message"? I would be damn proud to claim 300 HP and 27 MPG. As it is I will have to settle for 422+ HP with 23 MPG.
The business term is “Sunk Money”. This is money that is already spent and can not be returned. If it was the right thing to do GM would shut down the Camaro program and not be concerned with the money already spent. This is done all the time, where a million plus dollar machine is bought and a month later a company shuts down that division and literally scraps the machine or sells it for pennies on the dollar. Now with that said, I believe CWIweldance is on the right track. GM has designs on many future models based on this new rear wheel design. I agree that with 27MPG, GM, and for that fact all three US manufacturers, have several other models with much worse mileage that would get shut down before the Camaro program. Finally, not just because I am a Camaro Gen 5 fan (and soon to be owner), I believe when the V8 vs. V6 sales ratio does invert like GM believes it will, an overwhelming number of the sales will be the higher MPG vehicles which, along with the Camaro’s great looks, is what America is looking for. “Long live the Camaro!”
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:30 PM   #28
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I went into my dad's work today since I am on vacation from college. And my salesmen/friend said that they WILL be getting some in, in 2 months. He gave me a little sheet that was confidential. So some dealers WILL be getting them in around feb/march. And they are about 1 hour south of the factory where it's being built so yea...
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I have heard that the Maro is being released somewhere in March 2009 as well. I hope there will be some on the lot so I can test drive one.
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:28 AM   #30
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No wonder it's so crazy up there!
Duh ........you been breathing too much exhaust????

Your lame duck still has his empty head all over the mess the econony is in south of the 49th.

Do some checking...you'll find we haven't lost a bank in 70 years and did not have a morgage melt down while George was grinning n picken.
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Old 11-29-2008, 01:02 AM   #31
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Duh ........you been breathing too much exhaust????

Your lame duck still has his empty head all over the mess the econony is in south of the 49th.

Do some checking...you'll find we haven't lost a bank in 70 years and did not have a morgage melt down while George was grinning n picken.
Unfortunately way too many people here live very far outside of their means...hence our current situation. You Canadians are like our responsible older brother who points out when we do something stupid. Oh well.
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:58 AM   #32
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Duh ........you been breathing too much exhaust????

Your lame duck still has his empty head all over the mess the econony is in south of the 49th.

Do some checking...you'll find we haven't lost a bank in 70 years and did not have a morgage melt down while George was grinning n picken.
GTO, I was just messing. I actually used to do a lot of business in Canada. I love Ottawa and used to go up there all the time. As for our situation down here, let's leave that sleeping dog lie.
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HA HA If you want to see some great "messing" check out Rick Mercer .."Talking to Americans" . He has had a # of 1/2 hr SPECIALS on CBC .
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HA HA If you want to see some great "messing" check out Rick Mercer .."Talking to Americans" . He has had a # of 1/2 hr SPECIALS on CBC .
Not all Americans are bad. For example, I love curling!
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