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Old 08-19-2010, 06:07 PM   #51
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That's always been my problem with Camaros - they all look the same. Very hard to tell the difference between an RS V6 and an SS. I think all the Mustangs look significantly different. From every angle you can instantly tell what type of Mustang it is from every angle.

From the side of a Camaro - almost impossible to tell unless you're a Camaro expert. For Mustang sides, the GT has a 5.0 badge and the V6 has a pony badge, and the Shelby has an instantly recognizable nose, cobra badge and aggressive dove-tail spoiler.

For Camaro fronts, the only thing you can really tell is the mailslot. For Mustang fronts, the GT has 4 headlights, the V6 has two with a different grille, and the Shelby has an aggressive grille with 2 headlights and 2 bottom foglights.

For Camaro backs, it's virtually impossible to tell the difference because the badges are so tiny. For Mustang backs, the GT has the GT badge and big exhaust, the V6 has the pony badge and small exhaust, and the Shelby has the Cobra badge and larger dove-tail spoiler and large exhaust.

I think the Chevy branding is terrible. All of them have a bow-tie logo that you can find on el-cheapo cobalts and Malibus; there's no special "Camaro" badge and visually the V6 and SS being so similar makes all the cars homogeneous to the casual observer.
Hey - my Malibu has one of those on it... (okay - two). While I'm not feeling as harsh as you, I have to agree, that it would be nice to have a more distinguishing Bow Tie. I'm trying to visualize Corvette, but I can't see one on it... It has the crossflags on the front facia, and Corvette on the rear, but I can't recall seeing any Bow Ties. Hmmpf. Anyhoo - Maybe we can bring back the last generation red-white-and-blue shield in a new fresh design. I think that has the potential to be pretty cool

Good call to you though
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That's always been my problem with Camaros - they all look the same. Very hard to tell the difference between an RS V6 and an SS. I think all the Mustangs look significantly different. From every angle you can instantly tell what type of Mustang it is from every angle.

From the side of a Camaro - almost impossible to tell unless you're a Camaro expert. For Mustang sides, the GT has a 5.0 badge and the V6 has a pony badge, and the Shelby has an instantly recognizable nose, cobra badge and aggressive dove-tail spoiler.

For Camaro fronts, the only thing you can really tell is the mailslot. For Mustang fronts, the GT has 4 headlights, the V6 has two with a different grille, and the Shelby has an aggressive grille with 2 headlights and 2 bottom foglights.

For Camaro backs, it's virtually impossible to tell the difference because the badges are so tiny. For Mustang backs, the GT has the GT badge and big exhaust, the V6 has the pony badge and small exhaust, and the Shelby has the Cobra badge and larger dove-tail spoiler and large exhaust.

I think the Chevy branding is terrible. All of them have a bow-tie logo that you can find on el-cheapo cobalts and Malibus; there's no special "Camaro" badge and visually the V6 and SS being so similar makes all the cars homogeneous to the casual observer.

who needs badges when you can tell the difference in the tail pipe. . . .lmao.


badges are for people that don't know what a car is or particularly care. so what you're telling me is you want the people that don't know the difference to know the difference with out you having to have a conversation with them? seriously why limit your pick up opportunities? great conversation starts IMO.


btw I've debaged my bike because of the conversation starter it makes the bike. just some food for thought.
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:44 PM   #53
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who needs badges when you can tell the difference in the tail pipe. . . .lmao.


badges are for people that don't know what a car is or particularly care. so what you're telling me is you want the people that don't know the difference to know the difference with out you having to have a conversation with them? seriously why limit your pick up opportunities? great conversation starts IMO.
If you sit there examining pictures or a stationary car, of course you can tell the difference - what really matters is being able to tell when the car is driving and I honestly find it very difficult to tell Camaros when they're on the road, despite being very familiar with all the differences.

Mustangs on the other hand are a cinch to tell the difference on the road.

BMW M3s too. Why should a high performance M3 look like a family mobile? Why should a higher performance SS look the same as the secretary-car V6 version?
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:30 PM   #54
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I like the new hood...but Chevy better make that a functional hood scoop...not the "mailslot" on the current SS. Also, Would anyone else like to see Chevy make a stripped down Camaro LS with a V-8?

Yeah I really like the fact they moved the mail slot to the hood, now if they make it functional ram air
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Old 08-19-2010, 10:41 PM   #55
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If you sit there examining pictures or a stationary car, of course you can tell the difference - what really matters is being able to tell when the car is driving and I honestly find it very difficult to tell Camaros when they're on the road, despite being very familiar with all the differences.

Mustangs on the other hand are a cinch to tell the difference on the road.

BMW M3s too. Why should a high performance M3 look like a family mobile? Why should a higher performance SS look the same as the secretary-car V6 version?
what don't have ears? can't tell tail pipes before you pass? can't see the side buldges from a distance. mail slot? sorry still I don't see how it's difficult to tell.

mustang gt and v-6 are harder to tell from a distance. at least for me with an untrained eye for them. now a gt/v6 mustang to gt500. . .yea I can tell a huge difference. but it still takes a second look.

point being. if you're really into the car you'll know the differences. if you aren't as into it but still like it, good luck in noticing the differences.

point in fact-o, passed a great 2SS with RS package today. noticed it was an SS due to tail pipes/rear badge as I came flying up on it and that it was a 2SS because I could see the leather interior as I flew by. once I reached the front I saw the halos. . .

now that Mercedes I passed. . .that I thought looked good had kompressor and 6.2 on it. . . what was it. . .I don't know. do I care enough to look it up. . .nope. and I'm a car guy.
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Old 08-20-2010, 01:17 PM   #56
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what don't have ears? can't tell tail pipes before you pass? can't see the side buldges from a distance. mail slot? sorry still I don't see how it's difficult to tell.

mustang gt and v-6 are harder to tell from a distance. at least for me with an untrained eye for them. now a gt/v6 mustang to gt500. . .yea I can tell a huge difference. but it still takes a second look.

point being. if you're really into the car you'll know the differences. if you aren't as into it but still like it, good luck in noticing the differences.

point in fact-o, passed a great 2SS with RS package today. noticed it was an SS due to tail pipes/rear badge as I came flying up on it and that it was a 2SS because I could see the leather interior as I flew by. once I reached the front I saw the halos. . .

now that Mercedes I passed. . .that I thought looked good had kompressor and 6.2 on it. . . what was it. . .I don't know. do I care enough to look it up. . .nope. and I'm a car guy.
There's not enough of them (yet) that I pass Camaros from behind. Most of the time I see them from a distance or on the other side of the road. At a glance and at a distance it is impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. I have no problems with the Mustangs because of the prominent badging on all 4 sides and the 4 headlights on the GT. I have similarly no problem with M3s because of the significantly different grille and the 4 tailpipes and the M3 badge.

Camaros DO look like they went with the budget route by making all the cars look exactly the same with just a tiny little indistinguishable badge on the front and rear being the difference. Yes I know the front fascia is different but it is hard to tell (because they look very similar) and on a black car you can't see the mailslot from a difference. From the side it's virtually impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. You have to look for that very tiny difference in the side profile of the front fascia and maybe a slightly sticking out tailpipe but if the angle is wrong you can't tell.

Again - obviously one can tell the difference from a picture, where you can take the time to examine the nuances like the Brembo brakes or other subtle differences but when the car is moving at you have a fraction of a second to glance at it, you should be able to tell the differences.

This is not Communism where we have to go around wearing the same drab gray clothing. More powerful versions should look significantly different. The Z/28 is the only Camaro I'd buy because it's the only distinguishable Camaro that looks different from the front, side and rear.
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:08 PM   #57
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There's not enough of them (yet) that I pass Camaros from behind. Most of the time I see them from a distance or on the other side of the road. At a glance and at a distance it is impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. I have no problems with the Mustangs because of the prominent badging on all 4 sides and the 4 headlights on the GT. I have similarly no problem with M3s because of the significantly different grille and the 4 tailpipes and the M3 badge.

Camaros DO look like they went with the budget route by making all the cars look exactly the same with just a tiny little indistinguishable badge on the front and rear being the difference. Yes I know the front fascia is different but it is hard to tell (because they look very similar) and on a black car you can't see the mailslot from a difference. From the side it's virtually impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. You have to look for that very tiny difference in the side profile of the front fascia and maybe a slightly sticking out tailpipe but if the angle is wrong you can't tell.

Again - obviously one can tell the difference from a picture, where you can take the time to examine the nuances like the Brembo brakes or other subtle differences but when the car is moving at you have a fraction of a second to glance at it, you should be able to tell the differences.

This is not Communism where we have to go around wearing the same drab gray clothing. More powerful versions should look significantly different. The Z/28 is the only Camaro I'd buy because it's the only distinguishable Camaro that looks different from the front, side and rear.
I completely agree! When you pay $10K-20K over a base model, you should get a significantly more aggressive looking exterior.
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There's not enough of them (yet) that I pass Camaros from behind. Most of the time I see them from a distance or on the other side of the road. At a glance and at a distance it is impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. I have no problems with the Mustangs because of the prominent badging on all 4 sides and the 4 headlights on the GT. I have similarly no problem with M3s because of the significantly different grille and the 4 tailpipes and the M3 badge.

Camaros DO look like they went with the budget route by making all the cars look exactly the same with just a tiny little indistinguishable badge on the front and rear being the difference. Yes I know the front fascia is different but it is hard to tell (because they look very similar) and on a black car you can't see the mailslot from a difference. From the side it's virtually impossible to tell the difference between the Camaros. You have to look for that very tiny difference in the side profile of the front fascia and maybe a slightly sticking out tailpipe but if the angle is wrong you can't tell.

Again - obviously one can tell the difference from a picture, where you can take the time to examine the nuances like the Brembo brakes or other subtle differences but when the car is moving at you have a fraction of a second to glance at it, you should be able to tell the differences.

This is not Communism where we have to go around wearing the same drab gray clothing. More powerful versions should look significantly different. The Z/28 is the only Camaro I'd buy because it's the only distinguishable Camaro that looks different from the front, side and rear.

wow. you didn't get my point. the real point is you are more into the cars you speak of because you can pick out the differences. I for one can tell easily by passing or going the other direction the differences of a camaro. I can not tell the differences between a gt or v6 mustang. those two mustangs look basicly the same to me, from a distance. which goes to prove you are a mustang fan and a bmw fan. and I am not as big of a fan of either of those.

I do agree that for an extra 15-20k there should be visual differences. just like the GT500 does. and guess what it sure looks like they are doing that. it seems to me you are complaining to complain.

and the communism comment. . .sheesh. . .if you feel that way make your car more of your own by modifying the looks. there are many ways to let everyone know that you need an extension of a male member. . .yes I busted on myself as well because I want a Z28 and don't mind people knowing I'm driving around in a bad ass car. so get over it.
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wow. you didn't get my point. the real point is you are more into the cars you speak of because you can pick out the differences. I for one can tell easily by passing or going the other direction the differences of a camaro. I can not tell the differences between a gt or v6 mustang. those two mustangs look basicly the same to me, from a distance. which goes to prove you are a mustang fan and a bmw fan. and I am not as big of a fan of either of those.
You've just lost all credibility. You're telling me that for a normal person, it's easier to tell a V6 from an SS Camaro, versus a V6/GT Mustang?



These two cars are virtually indistinguishable except for that mailslot. And if you didn't see the mailslot, there's no way you could tell the difference if these two cars drove by you whilst you yourself were driving.



Whereas these two cars are obviously different, with the two big honking headlights in the GT grille, the big ugly square around the V6 Mustang logo

Come on - if you're going to argue, at least have some good objective arguments! It's a common complaint that the RS V6 looks almost identical to the SS Camaro; it's not about being a BMW or Ford fanboy, because I am more familiar with the Camaro than either the BMW or Ford and it's very difficult for me to tell the difference between the Camaros on the road.
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You've just lost all credibility. You're telling me that for a normal person, it's easier to tell a V6 from an SS Camaro, versus a V6/GT Mustang?



These two cars are virtually indistinguishable except for that mailslot. And if you didn't see the mailslot, there's no way you could tell the difference if these two cars drove by you whilst you yourself were driving.



Whereas these two cars are obviously different, with the two big honking headlights in the GT grille, the big ugly square around the V6 Mustang logo

Come on - if you're going to argue, at least have some good objective arguments! It's a common complaint that the RS V6 looks almost identical to the SS Camaro; it's not about being a BMW or Ford fanboy, because I am more familiar with the Camaro than either the BMW or Ford and it's very difficult for me to tell the difference between the Camaros on the road.
well with the camaro you should at least use a real 2010 camaro picture not a concept picture. sheesh. I lost credibility. . . that's an epic fail in my book for you.


RS is a package. . .not a trim level. why do most newbies think it's a trim level? oh well.

I'm telling you I personally with out you having just told/shown me the difference between a mustang v-6 and a gt would never have known. I don't care enough about the mustake to go look it up. but um are you sure those lights are stock on a gt. I could have sworn my buddies I have driven doesn't have those. . .I'm pretty sure they're an option.

and did I say fan boy? no. I said fan. there is a difference. you are obviously not as familiar with the camaro as you think vs the bmw and mustang. I will stand my ground on a true fan of an automobile of any type can tell the differences better then any by standard. but yea guess you're right and I'm wrong. just because you can't tell.

but remember if you're going to use pictures at least use real camaro ss pictures not concept pictures vs a real v6. lmao.
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You also left out the little bulge near the fog lights... your line is covering it up.
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Don't bother arguing with REZ333! Early this year he went on and on complaining about the Z/28 even before anyone even know for sure if one is coming. I thought he would have bought the GT500 by now and not even bother with the Camaro or the Z/28. Back then his complaint was the Camaro was too flashy (not sleepy enough) and drawing too much attention onto itself; I had to correct him on the fact that Camaro was the more subdued between the Camaro and the Mustang. I had to tell him that the Mustang (GT500) with all of the scoops sticking out everywhere and stripes loud enough to be heard from the moon. Now it's the other way around....

His biggest problem back then was what and how to think for himself. Please someone TELL him what and how to think and please do it quickly before we get this thread all dragged out.

Personally I would like a Z/28 with minor appearance changes and MAJOR performance enhancements. Please keep the price right for us poor folks... A Z/28 Convertible in Hugger Orange would seal the deal for me.
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