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Old 09-08-2010, 10:00 PM   #1
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Turned in my 335i today - Conclusion

Instead of resurrecting an old thread I thought it better to conclude with a new one.

The original thread is here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414

After owning my 2SS for a couple of weeks I thought I would post my final Ford vs. Chevy Tally. Some might disagree.

Styling:
* Gets Attention - Camaro (Strong advantage)
* Bad A** Looking - Camaro
* More expensive Looking - Camaro
* Pleasing proportions (to me) - Mustang

Performance:
* Acceleration - Tie (Average of sources)
* Subjective Handling - Mustang
* Chassis Dynamics - Camaro (IRS vs Well Done Solid Axle)
* Chassis Rigidity - Camaro (Source Pedders)
* Skidpad - Mustang (C&D)
* Lane Change - Camaro (C&D)
* Braking - Mustang (C&C)
* Understeer (Less is better) - Mustang
* Track Lap time - Mustang (R&T)
* Slalom - Mustang (R&T)

Interior: (my opinions mostly)
* Visibility - Mustang
* Headroom - Mustang
* Quietness - Camaro
* Seats - Camaro
* Comfort - Camaro
* Cruising - Camaro
* Interior Fits XL people (front) - Camaro
* Room (front) - Camaro
* Quality Appointments - Mustang
* Utility - Tie
* Lets in the sun + air - Camaro (Sunroof vs $2K piece of glass)
* Premium Radio Sound - Camaro
* Electronics - Tie (although HUD is cool, Mustang has Synch)
* Features - Camaro (Homelink and telescopic wheel vs Auto temp and Passenger Power seat)
* GPS - Mustang

Other stuff:
* Engine Sound - Camaro (My opinion)
* Shifting - Mustang
* Weight - Mustang
* Mileage - Mustang
* Room around engine - Camaro
* Modability - Camaro (for now, Mustang will catch up)
* Price - Camaro (Optioned comparably)
* Crash survival - Camaro (My opinion)

Most of all I liked driving the Camaro better. It is in my driveway. I am very happy with my choice.

The 2011 Mustang is much improved. If this were a comparison between the 2010 GT vs 2010 Camaro SS it would have been no contest.
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:43 AM   #2
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Instead of resurrecting an old thread I thought it better to conclude with a new one.

The original thread is here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414

After owning my 2SS for a couple of weeks I thought I would post my final Ford vs. Chevy Tally. Some might disagree.

Styling:
* Gets Attention - Camaro (Strong advantage)
* Bad A** Looking - Camaro
* More expensive Looking - Camaro
* Pleasing proportions (to me) - Camaro

Performance:
* Acceleration - Camaro
* Subjective Handling - Camaro
* Chassis Dynamics - Camaro (IRS vs Well Done Solid Axle)
* Chassis Rigidity - Camaro (Source Pedders)
* Skidpad - Camaro
* Lane Change - Camaro (C&D)
* Braking - Camaro
* Understeer (Less is better) - Camaro
* Track Lap time - Camaro
* Slalom - Camaro

Interior: (my opinions mostly)
* Visibility - Camaro
* Headroom - Camaro
* Quietness - Camaro
* Seats - Camaro
* Comfort - Camaro
* Cruising - Camaro
* Interior Fits XL people (front) - Camaro
* Room (front) - Camaro
* Quality Appointments - Camaro
* Utility - Camaro
* Lets in the sun + air - Camaro (Sunroof vs $2K piece of glass)
* Premium Radio Sound - Camaro
* Electronics - Camaro
* Features - Camaro
* GPS - Camaro

Other stuff:
* Engine Sound - Camaro (My opinion)
* Shifting - Camaro
* Weight - Camaro
* Mileage - Camaro
* Room around engine - Camaro
* Modability - Camaro
* Price - Camaro (Optioned comparably)
* Crash survival - Camaro (My opinion)

Most of all I liked driving the Camaro better. It is in my driveway. I am very happy with my choice.

The 2011 Mustang is much improved but still sucks. If this were a comparison between the 2010 GT vs 2010 Camaro SS it would have been no contest... the SS would be better..
All those typos... you need to work on your posting skills. I removed all those Mustang comments and fixed it with "Camaro"... which I assume you meant to say.
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Old 09-09-2010, 01:28 AM   #4
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:14 AM   #5
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:27 AM   #7
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All those typos... you need to work on your posting skills. I removed all those Mustang comments and fixed it with "Camaro"... which I assume you meant to say.
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All those typos... you need to work on your posting skills. I removed all those Mustang comments and fixed it with "Camaro"... which I assume you meant to say.
see people like you cant take a review seriously,, the camaro lacks in areas.. the mustang lacks in areas.... i bought the camaro not because its chevy. because its what i like at the time.. it could have been a ford... and right now mustang is king... its faster, better handling, have you every seen a 2011 5.0L vs bmw m3... its the same car !!! handling and 1/4 mile thats a deal.. the camaro cant keep up with a m3 on a track.. the mustang can
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All those typos... you need to work on your posting skills. I removed all those Mustang comments and fixed it with "Camaro"... which I assume you meant to say.
Ahhhh, now that looks better. much more readable and pleasurable to the eye
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Instead of resurrecting an old thread I thought it better to conclude with a new one.

Most of all I liked driving the Camaro better. It is in my driveway. I am very happy with my choice.

The 2011 Mustang is much improved. If this were a comparison between the 2010 GT vs 2010 Camaro SS it would have been no contest.
I've had mine a month ish now, and I am still convinced I made the right choice.

Although I loved my BMW, it certainly did not have the striking good looks of the Camaro.

There is something just cooler and more interesting, at least for me. I enjoy driving it, moreso than the BMW. And frankly BMW should be embarrassed at this point with the lack of standard equipment and technology of the 3 series. There simply isn't an excuse for making a modern $40K+ car in 2010 that doesn't have a USB port.

As far as the Mustang goes. I test drove several, and I just don't get them. I occasionally see one with the right styling package, color, and accessories that I like the look of. But for the most part it's just a bland car I see everywhere I look. Like I said, I don't get it. And I have no previous ownership bias, some silly affiliation with Chevy, or any dislike of Ford per se.
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All those typos... you need to work on your posting skills. I removed all those Mustang comments and fixed it with "Camaro"... which I assume you meant to say.
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see people like you cant take a review seriously,, the camaro lacks in areas.. the mustang lacks in areas.... i bought the camaro not because its chevy. because its what i like at the time.. it could have been a ford... and right now mustang is king... its faster, better handling, have you every seen a 2011 5.0L vs bmw m3... its the same car !!! handling and 1/4 mile thats a deal.. the camaro cant keep up with a m3 on a track.. the mustang can
Actually the Camaro can keep up. It just needs lighter tires and wheels and the same size front and rear. Easily fixed. But how many of us circle track our Camaros? The only handling advantage the Mustang has to me is that it feels more lively. But I chose comfort over that slight handling feel edge among other Camaro advantages.

The Camaro is still one great handing car just the way it is and the IRS is much better behaved when the roads get bumpy. A modern suspension is the choice for me.

The Mustang only has a slight acceleration edge if that. Not everyone gets better times in the Mustang. The coyote engine is strong for sure. So is the LS3 and L99.

Coin flip. Drive what you like. There is no king.
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Actually the Camaro can keep up. It just needs lighter tires and wheels and the same size front and rear. Easily fixed. But how many of us circle track our Camaros? The only handling advantage the Mustang has to me is that it feels more lively. But I chose comfort over that slight handling feel edge among other Camaro advantages.

The Camaro is still one great handing car just the way it is and the IRS is much better behaved when the roads get bumpy. A modern suspension is the choice for me.

The Mustang only has a slight acceleration edge if that. Not everyone gets better times in the Mustang. The coyote engine is strong for sure. So is the LS3 and L99.

Coin flip. Drive what you like. There is no king.
the camaros handling sucks, you probably have never driven a real sports car before... the point i am trying to make is that the mustang is just as good as a m3 all around, so its the better deal
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the camaros handling sucks, you probably have never driven a real sports car before... the point i am trying to make is that the mustang is just as good as a m3 all around, so its the better deal
We can disagree on the first three points.

edit: On point 4 we agree.

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Old 09-09-2010, 11:26 PM   #15
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only one thing wrong with your comments about the Camaro...it's not a sports car, was not designed to be a sports car and will never be a sports car...and according to you, now the mustang is no longer a muscle car. oh well, so now the only competition the Camaro has is the Challenger, in the muscle car category. honestly, sports cars and muscle cars have very different characteristics and if you expect a Camaro to handle like a sports car I guess it's no wonder why you think the Mustang and much more expensive BMW are better cars.
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only one thing wrong with your comments about the Camaro...it's not a sports car, was not designed to be a sports car and will never be a sports car...and according to you, now the mustang is no longer a muscle car. oh well, so now the only competition the Camaro has is the Challenger, in the muscle car category. honestly, sports cars and muscle cars have very different characteristics and if you expect a Camaro to handle like a sports car I guess it's no wonder why you think the Mustang and much more expensive BMW are better cars.
i had to go back to make sure i didn't call the camaro a sports car, threw out my time on being on the camaro5 forums the ONE thing i try to stress to people is the camaro IS NOT a sports car, its a muscle car i KNOW THAT! THATS WHY IT CAN NOT HANLDE compared to sports cars... like the mustang and 370z, i dont care about handling, i am just tryng to say the mustang 5.0L is the best deal on a sports cars for less then 40k, and people here have to realize that

... when people start saying the camaro handles well stock they have not been in a real sports car.. like the 370z, or something like that
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i had to go back to make sure i didn't call the camaro a sports car, threw out my time on being on the camaro5 forums the ONE thing i try to stress to people is the camaro IS NOT a sports car, its a muscle car i KNOW THAT! THATS WHY IT CAN NOT HANLDE compared to sports cars... like the mustang and 370z, i dont care about handling, i am just tryng to say the mustang 5.0L is the best deal on a sports cars for less then 40k, and people here have to realize that

... when people start saying the camaro handles well stock they have not been in a real sports car.. like the 370z, or something like that
You should trade your crappy "non-sports car" Camaro for a Mustang then. You can get them for next to nothing around here in Central FL... and most the Ford Dealers have only 1/2 their lots filled because no one is buying anything they sell but F-150's these days.
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i believe the Camaro beats the 370z on tracks and roadcourse.
I love the way my Camaro handles its smooth not punishing on my back and love the sure footed feel powering through a curve .
Now with the Stang it might be a milli second slower. there are actually some tests where the ss out powers the 5.0 through the 1/4 mile.
any way its all subjective and what you like
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i believe the Camaro beats the 370z on tracks and roadcourse.
I love the way my Camaro handles its smooth not punishing on my back and love the sure footed feel powering through a curve .
Now with the Stang it might be a milli second slower. there are actually some tests where the ss out powers the 5.0 through the 1/4 mile.
any way its all subjective and what you like
i love my ss
with i say track i mean a handling track, when i say drag strip, i mean drag racing.... trust me a 370z with out handle the shit out of a camaro

camaro is faster on a drag stip, but not on a track
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with i say track i mean a handling track, when i say drag strip, i mean drag racing.... trust me a 370z with out handle the shit out of a camaro

camaro is faster on a drag stip, but not on a track
Sure...
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track20.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

You really don't know what you're talking about.
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Sure...
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track20.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

You really don't know what you're talking about.
I would say those times clear up this debate.
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I would say those times clear up this debate.
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OK, so it IS a sports car? I thought it was a station wagon!
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Sure...
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track20.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

You really don't know what you're talking about.
+1, the numbers they do not lie...LOL
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Maybe he meant if the track didn't have any straight-aways then the z would beat a camaro?

I suppose if there's one thing I learned from this thread it's that I need to buy a Viper or ZR1.
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