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Old 08-14-2010, 09:11 PM   #35
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:33 PM   #36
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This is the for now conclusion of my Camaro SS evaluation against the Coyote Mustang.

The Mustang is a great car. But I liked the Camaro better. I liked having the sunroof. I like the idea of IRS but in my test drives I did not feel the advantage. I can mod the Camaro quite easily to more than erase the Mustang's sporting advantages and have a sunroof.

One thing was weird, the Chevy lot had about 15 Camaros and they were hardly dealing at all, even on the 2010s. But they did offer me $6,500 for the WS6. At the ford place ordering a car was all we discussed. The 5.0s are selling like hotcakes. That would be under Xplan at Ford which is very close to novice. The company I work for is a partner with GM and Ford so I would hope if I ordered a Camaro I could get one close to invoice. Maybe I just have to find the right dealer.

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Good review. Cars are pretty similar, get the one that turns u on.... I get most of my cars on the xplan, that pricing is hard to beat even when you are a good haggler...
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It seems like the Camaro crowd all likes the Challenger and hates the Mustang, and I can't figure out why. I love the Mustang, and I'd probably have one if I didn't have a Camaro.
I think much of the hate is the result of years of Mustang/Camaro rivalry. You get the same thing about Camaros on the Mustang forums.

If you like muscle cars I cannot see how you can hate either one. But of course you might like one over the other. I can see how you can hate an Aveo however.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:50 PM   #38
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i hate the challenger, its way too big. i would take a mustang over a challenger too. and i think this guy is confused with what he wants because to me he is more interested in ergonomics and features than in performance, etc. he should stick with the Beamer if that is the cause because no american car is even close to the quality of a beamer. but i would never have anything else than a chevy for some reason?
You are right. I am confused because both cars are so good. When I leased the BMW there were not very good choices for me among V8 rear drive cars. Now three years later there are!

I have owned:
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So far i have owned only 2 german cars, the 335i and a Jetta.

I liked the BMW but found it a little boring. But it too is a great car. However V8s are for me.
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:23 AM   #39
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I had a 335i prior to my Camaro and I purchased it for these reasons...........
1:I liked it
2:I liked it long enough to wait for the Camaro to be released.
3:great bargaining chip
When it came down to all the creature comforts they were nice but being old school,there is nothing like the rumble of a V8 when you take the pedal to the floor.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:36 AM   #40
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My numbers would look like this:

* Mustang exterior appearance: 6.00
* Camaro exterior appearance: 8.75

Add the Challenger into the mix...

* Mustang exterior appearance: 6.00
* Camaro exterior appearance: 8.75
* Challenger exterior appearance: 8.70

I personally think the Mustang is hideous and would buy a Challenger long before even considering the Stang...
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:02 AM   #41
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I would have NEVER guessed this:



My numbers would look like this:

* Mustang exterior appearance: 6.00
* Camaro exterior appearance: 8.75

Add the Challenger into the mix...

* Mustang exterior appearance: 6.00
* Camaro exterior appearance: 8.75
* Challenger exterior appearance: 8.70

I personally think the Mustang is hideous and would buy a Challenger long before even considering the Stang...
Not a huge fan of the Mustang exterior, ye it's retro but I was never a huge fan of the 65-67 origional stang look so hence not totally digging the new retro look. If I didn't have a choice of Camaro and Challenger then maybe I would consider driving a stang but luckily we have the Camaro.
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Interesting that you have a G8. The third car on my list is a G8 GXP 6M with the roof. Very hard to find within 1,000 miles of my house. I like 4 doors and wish you could buy a 4 door Camaro.
The G8 is a great car, but like you said they are pretty rare. You would almost certainly have to look for a used one these days since they're not made anymore. I would have gotten a V8 if they didn't close down pontiac and I could've waited another year or two before buying one, but funds only allowed for a V6. Regardless I love it.
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:29 PM   #43
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Fraxum, I have a very good idea what you are going through here. I too just turned in a BMW, and I too just compared the 2011 Mustang to the 2011 Camaro.

My BMW was the 328i (although I've driven the 335i several times).

In both cars you are going to notice the lower quality interior materials. No slabs of wood, and more expensive looking plastics and rubber. But then both the cars you are looking at start at $23K, and the 3 series starts at $10K more.

Ultimately I couldn't get excited about the Mustang. It's just so common. The interior lacks the character of the Camaro. It is lighter on its feet, but I love the quiet cruising you get from the heavier Camaro; and it still works well if you chuck it around the bends.

I certainly will tell you that despite being spoiled by BMW handling, the Camaro comes close, and in my opinion it absorbs every day rough road surfaces better.

The stereo on the Camaro isn't as good as the upgraded BMW one, but is better than the one that comes on the 328i. But unlike the BMW, it can work well with the iPod or a memory stick. I've yet to even put a CD in the player.

The Camaro is a real looker. I've had comments on it every day. Even the cop who pulled me over for speeding told be it was a beautiful car, and shook my hand! Gave me a warning, not a ticket.

When you first get it, you will notice the lack of visibility compared to the BMW, but you quickly get used to that. It's rarely an issue for me any more.

You'll probably miss the dual zone auto climate control. It's manual on these cars. You'll probably enjoy the HUD. I think the V8 has a far more interesting noise than the 335i. But makes less road noise than those crappy run flat tires.

I got a loaded V6 for $30K. The equivalent, BMW would cost me $40K and would still be missing some features of the Camaro. What's more, I'd have to pay even more to come close the the horse power, probably closer to $50K.

For me, I won't get another BMW until the next generation. The 3 series, while a great car, is lacking some of the standard technology of cars like the Camaro or even Mustang.

I'm still enjoying the newness of my Camaro, and just went on my first longer drive. I don't regret this choice for a moment. If I really search hard I sometimes wonder how it would be if I'd gotten a yellow one (for example), but I never think about how it would be better if I'd gone with the Mustang. Owning this car makes me more sure than ever that I would have hated the Mustang.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:53 PM   #44
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you should probably go buy a mustang because u rated the camaro higher in only cool factor. cool factor will wear off after awhile and then you will be sick of the car. buy a mustang.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:05 PM   #45
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Fraxum, I have a very good idea what you are going through here. I too just turned in a BMW, and I too just compared the 2011 Mustang to the 2011 Camaro.

My BMW was the 328i (although I've driven the 335i several times).

In both cars you are going to notice the lower quality interior materials. No slabs of wood, and more expensive looking plastics and rubber. But then both the cars you are looking at start at $23K, and the 3 series starts at $10K more.

Ultimately I couldn't get excited about the Mustang. It's just so common. The interior lacks the character of the Camaro. It is lighter on its feet, but I love the quiet cruising you get from the heavier Camaro; and it still works well if you chuck it around the bends.

I certainly will tell you that despite being spoiled by BMW handling, the Camaro comes close, and in my opinion it absorbs every day rough road surfaces better.

The stereo on the Camaro isn't as good as the upgraded BMW one, but is better than the one that comes on the 328i. But unlike the BMW, it can work well with the iPod or a memory stick. I've yet to even put a CD in the player.

The Camaro is a real looker. I've had comments on it every day. Even the cop who pulled me over for speeding told be it was a beautiful car, and shook my hand! Gave me a warning, not a ticket.

When you first get it, you will notice the lack of visibility compared to the BMW, but you quickly get used to that. It's rarely an issue for me any more.

You'll probably miss the dual zone auto climate control. It's manual on these cars. You'll probably enjoy the HUD. I think the V8 has a far more interesting noise than the 335i. But makes less road noise than those crappy run flat tires.

I got a loaded V6 for $30K. The equivalent, BMW would cost me $40K and would still be missing some features of the Camaro. What's more, I'd have to pay even more to come close the the horse power, probably closer to $50K.

For me, I won't get another BMW until the next generation. The 3 series, while a great car, is lacking some of the standard technology of cars like the Camaro or even Mustang.

I'm still enjoying the newness of my Camaro, and just went on my first longer drive. I don't regret this choice for a moment. If I really search hard I sometimes wonder how it would be if I'd gotten a yellow one (for example), but I never think about how it would be better if I'd gone with the Mustang. Owning this car makes me more sure than ever that I would have hated the Mustang.
Thanks! Good feedback for me. I do like the Mustang, the 2011 is much improved over the older ones. But i did get a better feeling driving the Camaro.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:19 PM   #46
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you should probably go buy a mustang because u rated the camaro higher in only cool factor. cool factor will wear off after awhile and then you will be sick of the car. buy a mustang.
The Mustang was only slightly better in acceleration, tossability, and interior materials. I know I can fix the first two (I enjoy modding) and the third is not a big deal. And since I cannot help myself when I order a car I get ALL the regular options I can save a little buying the Camaro. I also get a sun roof and IRS.

But I agree with you about the wow factor wearing off. Like I noticed driving my WS6 around this weekend. In 1996-97 this was THE car for me. Now my tastes have changed.

I have more time to think about this since I have not sold my WS6 yet. But if i were buying today it would be a Black/Orange 2SS RS 6M. Tomorrow I may feel different.

I just hope I can find a Chevy dealer who will actually deal. I am not paying list. Or that will push me back to the Mustang for sure. My real problem is that I know I would be happy with either car.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:49 PM   #47
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How does acceleration compare in the SS vs th 335?
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Old 08-15-2010, 11:20 PM   #48
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Sounds like to me by reading your post you prefer the Mustang over the Camaro anyway so why don't you just go get one and be happy with it. If you ask a bunch of Camaro owners on a Camaro site, I'd be willing to bet that most of them will tell you to by the Camaro don't you think.

I like the looks of the Challenger and my wifes likes the looks of the Challenger over the Camaro, but it didn't convince me to get one. I got the Camaro and I'm on a Camaro forum. I'm sorry but it seems as of late I have come across a few people on here that post up this same type of story about how they want or got a Mustang over the Camaro. Or how they got rid of there new Camaro and got a new Mustang. Fine, no big deal. It's your money and your choice, so you have to make it. If you chose a car over the Camaro that's OK with me, but then why do those same people still hang out on a Camaro forum? Just curious.
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Yes, sort of. But the cool factor kicked in for me. Notice the high rating I gave that aspect. The other thing I did not mention is you see so many more Mustangs. The Camaro is more unique. However I still am not sure it is better looking than the Mustang.

One of the things the Mustang does is connect me with cars I cut my teeth on. The Camaro not so much. I do not see much 1969 Camaro there. But I like new stuff so that is not a problem for me. As to the interiors both were going retro and neither pulled it off for me.

However I still am not sure it is better looking than the Mustang.


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Old 08-16-2010, 01:36 AM   #51
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The low roofline is one of the best parts of the camaro, yeah it may be harder to see out of but it looks awesome and futuristic. It makes the car look like a chop top and I love it


Quite frankly, you get used to the low roofline in NO time and honestly, it makes the car look that MUCH BETTER. The team originally wanted the roof line LOWER than it is now. The aussies got them to raise it up a 1/2 an inch (wasn't it a half an inch??? maybe 2? ...donm't remember).
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OP, you really DO make some good points. But, I have to totally disagree with some of the others. I'd quote your post, but that would leave a HUGE page with TONS to read again.

Roof line is fine. You get used to it in a week. And, it IS a cool factor.

Visors. Seriously? That roof line is so far forward that you really don't even NEED to use the visors! On top of that, what about us 6 foot 2 inch tall dudes who's heads are already up there towards the top of the roof? What happens when we NEED to use the visor? We pull it down. What if it were a full visor? No good. That 1/2 visor is one of the MOST BRILLIANT things I think GM's done with...something as small as a visor...in YEARS. GREAT idea.

The Mustang IS a good looking car. I agree.

I ALSO agree that it's just a Mustang. They are a dime a dozen out there on the roads. When I see one, it doesn't even make me do a double take. They mean nothing to me. They really are everywhere....so much so that I don't care to look at them anymore.


It really is a big change from the BMW to the others. I understand. I drove an 02SS for YEARS. Yes, the driver door is higher...and like everything else, you get USED to it! You'll LOVE it. I promise!
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