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Old 11-29-2008, 05:13 PM   #26
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however, a LOT of people who put their cars in the garage for the winter dont change their oil when they take it out in the spring.
Those people don't use Amsoil or Royal Purple. They use whatever their mechanic or dealer puts in, or they use what's on the shelf at WalMart or Auto Zone. Even so, they don't have failures that could have been prevented by better oil habits.
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Those people don't use Amsoil or Royal Purple. They use whatever their mechanic or dealer puts in, or they use what's on the shelf at WalMart or Auto Zone. Even so, they don't have failures that could have been prevented by better oil habits.
complete failure? no.
but if you took that same car and started driving it daily, racking up 15k+ a year, the breakdown of the oil and gases and condensation from the temp changes would lead to failure of the oil. while it might still get the job done, it isnt doing anything good for the engine.
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complete failure? no.
but if you took that same car and started driving it daily, racking up 15k+ a year, the breakdown of the oil and gases and condensation from the temp changes would lead to failure of the oil. while it might still get the job done, it isnt doing anything good for the engine.
Sure, that's true, but when it's all said and done they'll sell or junk the car with an engine that hasn't suffered any consequences from their oil habits.

I'm not advocating neglect, but oil is NOT the rocket science that so many make it into. Just follow the service schedule and use oil matching or exceeding the manufacturer's specifcations and you'll get rid of the car long before the engine suffers from your oil habits, unless you use it in a particularly uncommon way ("uncommon" being defined as a way that not many other people use the same car).
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Sure, that's true, but when it's all said and done they'll sell or junk the car with an engine that hasn't suffered any consequences from their oil habits.

I'm not advocating neglect, but oil is NOT the rocket science that so many make it into. Just follow the service schedule and use oil matching or exceeding the manufacturer's specifcations and you'll get rid of the car long before the engine suffers from your oil habits, unless you use it in a particularly uncommon way ("uncommon" being defined as a way that not many other people use the same car).




and to add to that.... (and this is to everyone) DO NOT SKIMP ON YOUR OIL FILTER! using top quality oil with a crap nugget filter is not doing anything beneficial for you.
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Sure, that's true, but when it's all said and done they'll sell or junk the car with an engine that hasn't suffered any consequences from their oil habits.

I'm not advocating neglect, but oil is NOT the rocket science that so many make it into. Just follow the service schedule and use oil matching or exceeding the manufacturer's specifcations and you'll get rid of the car long before the engine suffers from your oil habits, unless you use it in a particularly uncommon way ("uncommon" being defined as a way that not many other people use the same car).
My '96 Z28 has never had synthetic oil in the 12 years I've owned it since new and it's never had any oil related problem. If the owner's manual stated to use synthetic, I would, but I don't see spending the extra money for it as often as I get oil changes.

Will synthetic be required for 5th gen engines?
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My '96 Z28 has never had synthetic oil in the 12 years I've owned it since new and it's never had any oil related problem. If the owner's manual stated to use synthetic, I would, but I don't see spending the extra money for it as often as I get oil changes.

Will synthetic be required for 5th gen engines?
Yes it will be recommended.

For what it is worth, it is also recommended for your LT1.
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Yes it will be recommended.

For what it is worth, it is also recommended for your LT1.
Not in the owner's manual I got from the factory.
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Old 11-30-2008, 01:05 PM   #34
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Not in the owner's manual I got from the factory.
My 95 recommends it on the oil filler cap. I assumed they didn't go back to conventional in 96.

Here is a cap image.

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As to the op, yes I will change my own oil.
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not to mention, ive read reports that if you use a motor oil other than the type used in the car when you get it, it will void your powertrain warranty.
not sure about the validity of that tho.
TRUE.. Although FORD is the only one I KNOW to have Done This..FORD REQUIRES 5-20. I Had A Customer Put 10-30 In his 08 f-150 and then went to the local dealer with a ticking noise, They checked it out and TESTED his oil, Found It Wasnt The proper 5-20 oil. AND VOIDED his powertrain warranty On the Spot, Maybe this dealer was being an ASS about things but, Dont say they cant do it.. I Know it has been done.

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My 95 recommends it on the oil filler cap. I assumed they didn't go back to conventional in 96.

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As to the op, yes I will change my own oil.
Same On MY 96 Z.
And when i Finally Get Mine.. I Wll Be Changing Everything that needs changing myself, unless i am incapable..
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Old 11-30-2008, 01:25 PM   #36
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My 95 recommends it on the oil filler cap. I assumed they didn't go back to conventional in 96.

Here is a cap image.

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As to the op, yes I will change my own oil.
Isn't that filler cap an aftermarket part?

I know that my Z28 and SS did NOT come with those filler caps showing Mobile 1. You had to purchase them afterwards as a "reminder" for the person changing the oil that you wanted only fully synthetic.

And...FWIW, fully synthetic might cost more, but you can also use it longer than conventional oil. My dealer recommends changing my oil every 5k miles vs the regular 3k miles. I'm sure I could go longer than that, but no need to. Besides, it's only $50 for an oil/filter change. That's really nothing when you think about it. Why skimp to save $20 on an oil change?
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Isn't that filler cap an aftermarket part?

I know that my Z28 and SS did NOT come with those filler caps showing Mobile 1. You had to purchase them afterwards as a "reminder" for the person changing the oil that you wanted only fully synthetic.

And...FWIW, fully synthetic might cost more, but you can also use it longer than conventional oil. My dealer recommends changing my oil every 5k miles vs the regular 3k miles. I'm sure I could go longer than that, but no need to. Besides, it's only $50 for an oil/filter change. That's really nothing when you think about it. Why skimp to save $20 on an oil change?
Well Ok Maybe I Should have been more clear...Mine doesnt SAY MOBIL1.. just "SYNTHETIC 5-30 OIL RECOMMENDED"
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That's not the oil filler cap from the factory. Mine states "Engine Oil SAE 5W-30". Looking at the owner's manual now under What Kind of Oil to Use, "Oils recommended for your vehicle can be identified by looking for the "Starburst" symbol. This symbol indicates that the oil has been certified by the American Petroleum Institute (API). Do not use any oil which does not carry this Starburst symbol."

Then it goes on to state to use the proper viscosity oil for your vehicle. NOWHERE in the owners manual or under the hood is the word "synthetic", nor does anything state that "synthetic oil" is required or recommended. If GM tells me to use synthetic in their motors, I would. But on my car, it isn't necessary especially with frequent oil changes as I've always done.
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Well Ok Maybe I Should have been more clear...Mine doesnt SAY MOBIL1.. just "SYNTHETIC 5-30 OIL RECOMMENDED"
+1. I didn't feel like going to the garage, pulling the car cover off and taking a picture.
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Heavy synthetic oil. Mostly for high horsepower/heavy duty applications. Some people put it in their daily drivers because they get some kind of reassurance with it. I'm not really sure. It's expensive stuff and there isn't honestly that big of a difference for me to justify the expense.

As long as nobody puts Penzoil in their Camaro it's all good. On a side note, I won't be servicing my Camaro at the dealer or my driveway, but behind a curtain in the V.I.P room.
Could you elaborate on your Pennzoil comments? Many years ago we solved gummy sludge in my '69 Z/28 by switching to Pennzoil, I've used their synthetic oil for a few years.
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My '96 Z28 has never had synthetic oil in the 12 years I've owned it since new and it's never had any oil related problem. If the owner's manual stated to use synthetic, I would, but I don't see spending the extra money for it as often as I get oil changes.
what brand oil/filter do you use? jw. conventional oil is decent on its own depending on the brand, if you are that worried about spending the extra money, keep in mind that you can go farther on synthetic, and you arent helping to jack up the price of oil...



however, i personally recommend synthetic on the LT1 and just about every motor. hell, I run RP in my 94Z, Mobil1 in my fiance's Durango, and RP in the escort. why? because I know from having these oils tested after use that they perform better (especially in my LT1) over convention oils.


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Besides, it's only $50 for an oil/filter change. That's really nothing when you think about it. Why skimp to save $20 on an oil change?
its going to get even more expensive with having 9qt of oil for the LS3....lol

and why do people skimp? same reason they run 87 in a motor designed for 91+, same reason that when they do buy synth oil, they get a shitty filter for cheap.

americans are cheap. plain and simple. we/they look 17 seconds ahead of time.


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That's not the oil filler cap from the factory. Mine states "Engine Oil SAE 5W-30". Looking at the owner's manual now under What Kind of Oil to Use, "Oils recommended for your vehicle can be identified by looking for the "Starburst" symbol. This symbol indicates that the oil has been certified by the American Petroleum Institute (API). Do not use any oil which does not carry this Starburst symbol."
Then it goes on to state to use the proper viscosity oil for your vehicle. NOWHERE in the owners manual or under the hood is the word "synthetic", nor does anything state that "synthetic oil" is required or recommended. If GM tells me to use synthetic in their motors, I would. But on my car, it isn't necessary especially with frequent oil changes as I've always done.
dont ever run AMSOIL in your car then.... lol most of their mainstream oils are not certified by API. lol

how frequent are you changing your oil
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First, I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and suggestions on oil and change intervals (even though it was not my thread, I sure learned plenty).

Second, I like to say that I plan on changing the oil on my 2010 Camaro twice a year (spring and again in the fall) since for starters, doing your own oil change gives you the opportunity to give the car a look over and hopefully spot things that need to be taken care of before they become a problem. It's also an opportunity to know your car, inside out.

For me, the two most important things in knowing your car's condition are an oil change, and washing the car. When I slide under the car I get the chance to look over the breaks, steering mechanism and frame. When I had wash my car I insect the entire body for dings, scratches and chips.

Call it what you will, to me a car is more than just a machine to get me from point a to point b. Changing the oil and washing the car gives me the opportunity to know what is going on with the car and the condition it is in. So for that reason I will do my own oil changes and as oil is concerned, I guess I’ll be using synthetic oil, as many of your posts have good things to say.

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What are the viscosity ratings for AMSOIL/Royal Purple? It sounds like it's rather thick, but people seem to swear by them in all sorts of engine applications (BMWs, Honda DOHC VTEC, GM LSx series, you name it).

I'm partial to Mobil 1, 5w-30 (unless GM starts to use 5w-20 like some manufacturers are doing).

I will always change my own oil, even under warranty. I can take my time, and after filling it I always take it for an easy drive around the block for all the oil to circulate, and then check the level again and add if needed - I doubt any Chevy dealer is going to go through that trouble.

Under warranty if anything goes wrong I will obviously take it to the dealer, but after that I will do all of my own maintenance and repairs within reason. Things I can't do myself (tires) I take to someone who can do it right (i.e. understands how to mount/remove tires with TPS sensors) without charging an arm and a leg (dealers are typically the most expensive when it comes to this stuff).
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Royal Purple certainly has a full-fledged "cult following".

However, I don't think you can go wrong with Mobil 1. It's also what GM fills it with at the factory (LS3 for sure), and it's what they recommend for the life of the vehicle.
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First, I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and suggestions on oil and change intervals (even though it was not my thread, I sure learned plenty).

Second, I like to say that I plan on changing the oil on my 2010 Camaro twice a year (spring and again in the fall) since for starters, doing your own oil change gives you the opportunity to give the car a look over and hopefully spot things that need to be taken care of before they become a problem. It's also an opportunity to know your car, inside out.

For me, the two most important things in knowing your car's condition are an oil change, and washing the car. When I slide under the car I get the chance to look over the breaks, steering mechanism and frame. When I had wash my car I insect the entire body for dings, scratches and chips.

Call it what you will, to me a car is more than just a machine to get me from point a to point b. Changing the oil and washing the car gives me the opportunity to know what is going on with the car and the condition it is in. So for that reason I will do my own oil changes and as oil is concerned, I guess I’ll be using synthetic oil, as many of your posts have good things to say.

Again thanks.
the new camaro will be coming from the factory with synthetic oil, so just stick with whatever it comes with (more than likely M1 5w-30)


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What are the viscosity ratings for AMSOIL/Royal Purple? It sounds like it's rather thick, but people seem to swear by them in all sorts of engine applications (BMWs, Honda DOHC VTEC, GM LSx series, you name it).

I'm partial to Mobil 1, 5w-30 (unless GM starts to use 5w-20 like some manufacturers are doing).

I will always change my own oil, even under warranty. I can take my time, and after filling it I always take it for an easy drive around the block for all the oil to circulate, and then check the level again and add if needed - I doubt any Chevy dealer is going to go through that trouble.
viscosity ratings for amsoil/rp are the same as m1, or any other oil company,

you can get them in whatever weight you want... 5-30, 0-30, 10-30, 5-40, 10-40, 10-50, 20-50, etc.

its not just one specific weight.


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Royal Purple certainly has a full-fledged "cult following".

However, I don't think you can go wrong with Mobil 1. It's also what GM fills it with at the factory (LS3 for sure), and it's what they recommend for the life of the vehicle.
M1 is a good oil. they also have some damn good filters to boot. and they are reasonably priced as well.
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Honestly, most dealers (not all) pay their "oil guys" next to nothing for doing an oil change and the faster they do it, the more they make. They rush the job and are not exactly careful when moving the cars. In my experience, they do not seem to care about the cars the way many of us do. The dings that have been put in many of my cars have come from a dealer employee. The dealer has always denied it and that walk around sheet they filled out did not amount to damn thing. The oil stains on my carpet, door panel, fender/front fascia/hood, steering wheel, seat, and anywhere else the guy chose to touch took me longer to clean up than doing the oil change myself...which I do. I've brought such "inattentiveness" up in the past and asked that it be cleaned off. I've gotten responses, such as "Your kidding, right?" I see the dealer only when necessary.
As inconvenient as it is, I agree with you completely. I always do my oil change myself. I don't want to see a guy with oil pouring down his arm go sit in my car, which I have seen. I have found oil on the door panel, steering wheel and shifter. Also if they strip your drain plug, pour in the wrong weight of oil, anything. you can only blame yourself because you agreed to let someone else do it. Adios
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TRUE.. Although FORD is the only one I KNOW to have Done This..FORD REQUIRES 5-20. I Had A Customer Put 10-30 In his 08 f-150 and then went to the local dealer with a ticking noise, They checked it out and TESTED his oil, Found It Wasnt The proper 5-20 oil. AND VOIDED his powertrain warranty On the Spot, Maybe this dealer was being an ASS about things but, Dont say they cant do it.. I Know it has been done.
They can't legally void his whole powertrain warranty; all they can do is deny the claim for the ticking noise -- legally, anyway. When they pull something like that, the legal battle to force them to comply could be costly so they've effectively gotten away with it unless you can find free legal representation (which may be possible from a consumer watchdog group or by getting some publicity as a consumer being abused by a big company).

That said, why the heck would someone put 10w30 in an engine designed for 5w20? I would think that it's obvious to most people that the engine may not be capable of moving the thicker oil fast enough...but I'm no engine engineer, so I can't say that I'm SURE of that idea. I just know that they have a lot to lose by specifying less than the perfect oil weight; a reputation for early engine failure will destroy sales quickly, so what the manual specifies is almost certainly the right weight.

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That depends on how you use it. I'd say following the service schedule as a whole is far more important than having perfect oil change habits. Oh, and a car isn't an investment.
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Oh, and a car isn't an investment.
as much of an investment as a relationship/marriage.... if not more.
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They can't legally void his whole powertrain warranty; all they can do is deny the claim for the ticking noise -- legally, anyway. When they pull something like that, the legal battle to force them to comply could be costly so they've effectively gotten away with it unless you can find free legal representation (which may be possible from a consumer watchdog group or by getting some publicity as a consumer being abused by a big company).

That said, why the heck would someone put 10w30 in an engine designed for 5w20? I would think that it's obvious to most people that the engine may not be capable of moving the thicker oil fast enough...but I'm no engine engineer, so I can't say that I'm SURE of that idea. I just know that they have a lot to lose by specifying less than the perfect oil weight; a reputation for early engine failure will destroy sales quickly, so what the manual specifies is almost certainly the right weight.



That depends on how you use it. I'd say following the service schedule as a whole is far more important than having perfect oil change habits. Oh, and a car isn't an investment.


You're right, I was trying to be nice... It's a MONEY PIT. A hole in the pavement. Kiss your money good-bye.

GM won't even lease anything anymore because the resale values are dropping SO FAST, that they are not willing to lose BILLIONS more on undervalued residual values. Ahh, that's better.
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