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Old 11-28-2008, 08:17 PM   #1
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STS TURBO the only way to go.

Ok so you want your new Camaro to be faster then Mr Jones down the street. Me too, go and check out ststurbo.com IMO this is just the way to go. or buy a big block and sts turbo setup lol.

Check them out as this wonderful country that we live in give us so many different ways for us to GET MORE POWER.


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Old 11-28-2008, 08:38 PM   #2
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Advertising? Really? Externally mounted turbo. Fail.
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Old 11-28-2008, 08:41 PM   #3
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I'd need to see comparable dyno results for this to be worthy of any further investigation. Prove to me that this is legit before I consider it.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:39 PM   #4
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IMVHO, and I can't speak with direct experience, only through what I've seen and read, I'm just not sold on that company yet. One of the things that bug me is that I dont' feel that the quality of all the parts is quite there. For example, they don't use mandrel-bent stainless tubing which may not really amount to much, but it's one of those little things that are attention to detail for me. I've read and see systems installed and the ground clearance what I've seen was very poor in some circumstances. For example: on a 4th. Gen., the pressure tube, from the turbo, goes under the K-member, and looks like it compromises about 2.5-inches of ground clearance. Another example I can think of was lack of attention tuning detail because my tuner personally had to contact them regarding tuning and MAF sensor postioning for one of their kits, on the same car, because readings from the sensor were very inaccurate.

I DO like the idea of where they're mounting the turbo but all the piping and tubing leaves something, for me, to be desired. I understand they are acquiring CARB-certification on some kits (and think they already have some for others). The price seems great for the gains that the car gets, but I don't want to worry about the ceramic coating they put on their pipes to get pushed into my turbo, intake, and such just because they didn't want to use stainless steel. When I see their prices compared to other kits, they are a steal, but I don't think the quality is quite on par. I've only seen a few kits, but they were all deficient in the same areas I quoted (except for the tuning part - that was an F-body only) and I had the same reservations on those applications.

To be clear, I'm not getting dark on them, nor have I had direct experience with them. I only wanted to offer a little of what I had noticed and my opinions only. Just like most anything else, things can change on a product and I might not even have seen it/them. It will be interesting to see what they do for the 5th. Gen. though, for sure
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:43 PM   #5
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i see an STS 4th gen SS about everyday, and im not impressed at all. when he goes WOT it seems to take forever to spool, also sounds pretty raspy
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:07 AM   #6
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ill take an APS turbo over a STS anyday
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The general consensus seems to be one weary of STS. We need to keep an eye on this product to make sure it is on par with some of the other aftermarket offerings. As I've said previously, I want documentation. I won't purchase a product without knowing how it stacks up.
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Old 11-29-2008, 07:36 AM   #8
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Ok so you want your new Camaro to be faster then Mr Jones down the street. Me too, go and check out ststurbo.com IMO this is just the way to go. or buy a big block and sts turbo setup lol.

Check them out as this wonderful country that we live in give us so many different ways for us to GET MORE POWER.


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Old 11-29-2008, 09:48 AM   #9
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+1 APS over STS.
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Stacey David is installing one right now on speed tv (eastern time) on an LS3 corvette. Its a rerun i've seen before and its a MONSTER!
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:08 PM   #11
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I do not work for them. I have seen there products on a wide range of cars and trucks. Look up some of the videos on you tube. Read the testimonials. I think its really cool. but thats just me. when you see it in person and contact the people who have had this done they all say the same thing AWESOME. im just putting my 2 cents for another way to make big power. there are lots of great ways to do this and this is just different way. just letting others know that this is one way. I dont think there a big company but from what i have heard and seen with my own eyes and talk to people that have this setup i have only heard great things. its not often that you hear great things from all sorts of different customers about a company. I was just passing it forward that this company should IMO be brought to knowage of this great forum.

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Old 11-29-2008, 01:53 PM   #12
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Speaking first hand, I had STS on my 4th gen Trans Am. 402 RWHP with only the kit and supporting fuel upgrades.


It'd kick completely sideways goin into second. I loved it.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:18 PM   #13
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STS is cool and all...but APS already has a system out for the LS3 vettes. it makes somewhere around 625 to the wheel with stock internals...i'm APS all the way on this one...besides...STS does alot of work on rustangs...
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Old 11-29-2008, 03:09 PM   #14
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I like STS's simplicity. And I really love the rear-mount design...call me a heretic.

I don't have any first-hand experience, but I've read and watch a LOT about them. There's no lag due to smart engineering. In addition to sizing the turbos for a rear-mount application, the piping acts like an intercooler, and takes up about the same volume as one, too. It takes a fraction of a second to fully pressurize the tubing.

They also won GM's "Best High Performance Product" Award at SEMA 2004. Not too shabby.

They're not the be-all, end-all of turbo companies, imo...but they're definitely impressive.
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Old 11-29-2008, 03:13 PM   #15
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If i want an STS I only needs teh hack saw and I'm in teh gamez....right?

A guy on ls2gto did a home install on the tailpipe and put down some good numbers...for about 2300 total....of course he blew up the motor mid project...I think he only spent 4 or 5 hundred more on bearings....

I just don't trust my money hanging off the back of the car like ricer bait.




By the way...I don't call a 12 foot oil line to the back of the car.."simple"...just me I guess.....
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Old 11-29-2008, 04:46 PM   #16
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I'd need to see comparable dyno results for this to be worthy of any further investigation. Prove to me that this is legit before I consider it.
they've been out for years and they do provide decent power. their kits are just like the OP said, to make you faster than Mr. Jones down the street, not faster than every car out there.

ive got a few friends with them on their cars and they do work well. im a positive displacement type of guy to begin with, but they STS does have some reputable systems

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i see an STS 4th gen SS about everyday, and im not impressed at all. when he goes WOT it seems to take forever to spool, also sounds pretty raspy
LS1 or LT1?

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If i want an STS I only needs teh hack saw and I'm in teh gamez....right?
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I just don't trust my money hanging off the back of the car like ricer bait.
dunno what you mean by ricer bait... most of the systems tuck in nicely, and unless you know what you are looking for, you dont notice it till they punch the gas.

but im more worried about cold wet splashing water hitting those nice warm turbos.


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By the way...I don't call a 12 foot oil line to the back of the car.."simple"...just me I guess.....

that too...lol if i were to run a system like that, id have a stand alone oil system just for the turbos.

just me...
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Stacey David is installing one right now on speed tv (eastern time) on an LS3 corvette. Its a rerun i've seen before and its a MONSTER!
just watched that the other day too.


dyno'd around 600hp or so from a tt setup.
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Lotza "stolen" parts on rice mobiles....I can just see some kid trying to fit the STS 6.0 system on his fart can location with a buddies welder and a prayer...
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Lotza "stolen" parts on rice mobiles....I can just see some kid trying to fit the STS 6.0 system on his fart can location with a buddies welder and a prayer...
AAAAH..... I get ya know....

seeing as how his fart can is held on with JB weld....
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AAAAH..... I get ya know....

seeing as how his fart can is held on with JB weld....
Now you're on board!!

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I think its more about packaging and price than anything else. Its a pain to to do a front mount in 4th gens because you'll either have to lose AC, move or get a new radiator, use different fans, lose access to plugs, etc. And for a quality kit be prepared to shell out at least 5 grand on the low end. STS kits are a compromise but a pretty good one, if you know how to get the most out of them. For one, no LTs! Stock manifolds or coated and wrapped shorties are the way to go along with coating and wrapping the pipe all the way back to the turbo, gotta keep that heat in. Also, you'll have to run a lower A/R that a front mount so you keep lag to a minimum. However, this may all be moot depending on how much room can be gotten out of the 5th Gen's engine compartment. Twins anyone?
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Not at all. For the budget build, it's a great thing. I've seen a great STS kit and I've heard less-impressed customers as well. The point is, for the buck it's pretty nifty...and one long oil line is nothing compared to the design and $$ involved in a header-mounted turbo.

I would consider a kit if the price were right, but I'd be more likely to get in good with a metalworker and get the headers made for a front-mount kit.
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Speaking first hand, I had STS on my 4th gen Trans Am. 402 RWHP with only the kit and supporting fuel upgrades.


It'd kick completely sideways goin into second. I loved it.
are we suppose to be impressed from less than a 100rwhp gain from a turbo? or are you talk about how the kit isnt great.

hell i make more than 400rwhp on a stock 4.0 v6 engine lol.

my 4th gen put over 800 at the wheels, but that was not a stock motor (or even stock displacement) with twin front mounted turbos
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I like STS's simplicity. And I really love the rear-mount design...call me a heretic.

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