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Old 11-29-2008, 05:09 PM   #18
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Lotza "stolen" parts on rice mobiles....I can just see some kid trying to fit the STS 6.0 system on his fart can location with a buddies welder and a prayer...
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Old 11-29-2008, 05:33 PM   #19
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Lotza "stolen" parts on rice mobiles....I can just see some kid trying to fit the STS 6.0 system on his fart can location with a buddies welder and a prayer...
AAAAH..... I get ya know....

seeing as how his fart can is held on with JB weld....
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Old 11-29-2008, 05:45 PM   #20
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AAAAH..... I get ya know....

seeing as how his fart can is held on with JB weld....
Now you're on board!!

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Old 11-29-2008, 05:53 PM   #21
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I think its more about packaging and price than anything else. Its a pain to to do a front mount in 4th gens because you'll either have to lose AC, move or get a new radiator, use different fans, lose access to plugs, etc. And for a quality kit be prepared to shell out at least 5 grand on the low end. STS kits are a compromise but a pretty good one, if you know how to get the most out of them. For one, no LTs! Stock manifolds or coated and wrapped shorties are the way to go along with coating and wrapping the pipe all the way back to the turbo, gotta keep that heat in. Also, you'll have to run a lower A/R that a front mount so you keep lag to a minimum. However, this may all be moot depending on how much room can be gotten out of the 5th Gen's engine compartment. Twins anyone?
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Old 11-29-2008, 10:32 PM   #22
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Advertising? Really? Externally mounted turbo. Fail.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:15 PM   #23
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Not at all. For the budget build, it's a great thing. I've seen a great STS kit and I've heard less-impressed customers as well. The point is, for the buck it's pretty nifty...and one long oil line is nothing compared to the design and $$ involved in a header-mounted turbo.

I would consider a kit if the price were right, but I'd be more likely to get in good with a metalworker and get the headers made for a front-mount kit.
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Old 11-29-2008, 11:52 PM   #24
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LS1 or LT1?
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Speaking first hand, I had STS on my 4th gen Trans Am. 402 RWHP with only the kit and supporting fuel upgrades.


It'd kick completely sideways goin into second. I loved it.
are we suppose to be impressed from less than a 100rwhp gain from a turbo? or are you talk about how the kit isnt great.

hell i make more than 400rwhp on a stock 4.0 v6 engine lol.

my 4th gen put over 800 at the wheels, but that was not a stock motor (or even stock displacement) with twin front mounted turbos
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:19 AM   #25
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I like STS's simplicity. And I really love the rear-mount design...call me a heretic.

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Old 11-30-2008, 10:25 AM   #26
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I've done a considerable amount of research into STS (haven't actually used them, but I was thinking about it and I wanted to make an informed decision) and I've found out a couple of things. First, the rear-mount turbo system is really only designed for low boost - 5 to 7 PSI or so - applications. Also, from what I can tell, the best thing to do is buy a universal kit and do all the piping yourself. It kind-of shifts the cheap/fast/reliable scale from more on the cheap end to more on the fast/reliable end. So, no, they aren't a racers turbo kit, but they are quite capable of giving you that extra oomph.
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Old 11-30-2008, 12:33 PM   #27
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are we suppose to be impressed from less than a 100rwhp gain from a turbo? or are you talk about how the kit isnt great.

For the ease and simplicity of the kit...yes.


I could have gotten more out of it. Something was up with the spring in my wastegate so even though I was suppossed to be seeing 5.5 PSI I was only seeing around 4. That extra pound and a half would have done some good.
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Old 11-30-2008, 01:15 PM   #28
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gotcha, makes more sense then, but not suprised.

the STS camaro that i see everyday goes to the same dyno tuner i do. initially the car came in only making 375rwhp or something like that. ouch
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Old 11-30-2008, 03:19 PM   #29
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APS thank you very much. I'd rather not have 50 ft of tubing running all over my car, and no mufflers.
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Old 11-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #30
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If i want an STS I only needs teh hack saw and I'm in teh gamez....right?

A guy on ls2gto did a home install on the tailpipe and put down some good numbers...for about 2300 total....of course he blew up the motor mid project...I think he only spent 4 or 5 hundred more on bearings....

I just don't trust my money hanging off the back of the car like ricer bait.




By the way...I don't call a 12 foot oil line to the back of the car.."simple"...just me I guess.....
Look at that flange and welds - Its horrible. My two year old son probably can weld better than that. If you are spending almost 40k on a car why cheap out on these inferior parts. Looks like a bunch of parts found at a junk yard IMHO. APS, Callaway, Lingenfelter, Magnasson etc...are the way to go - quality products.

I am sorry I went off - but...

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Old 11-30-2008, 06:35 PM   #31
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My credo - "If you can't afford to do it right with the highest standards, don't do it at all"
I definitely disagree with this mantra. If you can get more power from doing something on a budget, then clean it up later when you have the cash, then more power to you.
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My credo - "If you can't afford to do it right with the highest standards, don't do it at all"
ha! how much do you make a year?



damn, you would hate to see my car.


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I could give two craps less about how good something looks if it doesnt make me faster.

I like my rusted, worn, sleeper look
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