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Old 06-04-2007, 02:40 AM   #1
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Pricing Speculation of the 5th gen - (not actual)

Ive read thru the previous threads about what people "would" pay and possible prices (from 2 years ago). Im just wondering if anyone has heard of any actual prices of the new Camaro. Im asking cus im debating on how much I should put for a down payment.

I honestly wish that they would have released it in 2006 as a 40th ann. 2007 model instead of building the hype of it up for 6 damn years. This is one of the main reasons why ford is beating gm. (tho I dont agree with their methods) ford offers a mustang for everyone, from 16 yr old school girls to muscle car enthusiasts to the old man who remembers his dads mustang.

Im in the military and im going to college in the fall for the next 2 years till I separate before I go on to my masters program. If I dont buy a camaro when they come out, I wont be able to get my hands on one till 2013.
Im 22 and I make good money as it is, if I could get a base model v-8 for $35000 or less, I could pay it off in 2 years. Im looking at putting $12-20k as a down payment when they come out.

anyway, has anyone heard any SOLID price reports? if so, what prices for what models?
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None. At all.
Sorry, all I've heard, though, that GM is pricing it to be appealing to the younger genertion. Of course that could mean that there will be cheap V6's.....
They also have said that they will be pricing it to be competitive with the mustang.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:23 AM   #3
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I know everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I've never liked the fact that there are so many different Mustangs available. I don't like pulling up next to an elderly lady driving a Mustang because it makes my car seem less "badass". Granted,I have a GT and the old people I have seen in Stangs usually have the 6-cylinder models, but I still think it steals away some of the glamour of these cars.

If you want to own a mean hot rod, the reason you choose these cars is because of their heritage. I think that having slow and weak versions of these cars takes some of that away. Yes, the first models of these cars had lower HP than what's available nowadays, but for their day they were faster than everything else.

I also think this is why GM has refused to make a watered-down, slower version of the Corvette. People would flip out because the image of the Vette being a speed machine would be tarnished...even though they would sell huge numbers of that car with a V6 option.

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Vp's at Ford and GM will tell you that what they do is a "business". They build and sell cars so they have to make watered-down versions, (i.e. v6 models). Mainly to sell cars but also so that people can afford the insurance and for fuel economy reasons. A lot of people couldn't afford it otherwise.

But I think that if you're going to make a v6, take some cues from the Japanese and make them AWD and or slap 9 turbos on that little engine. Seems like a waste of a car if they don't.

No offense ladies, but a lot of women prefer the v6 cars because most women just want the cool look of a sports car without paying a lot at the pump. And... (not all) but a lot of women won't try and waste you at the light.

As far as prices... I believe it's between $20,000 and nothing over $40,000.
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Its been posted by people at GM in the know (Scott Settlemire) that prices are the last thing to be set on a production model. But with that being said its supposed to compete with the mustang in both price and options.. so look at a v6 in the low 20's(base mustang price), a v8 in the mid/high 20's(base GT price) and a high power v8 in the low 40's(GT500 MSRP price). Thats the best bet anyone will have until probably mid 2008.
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Its been posted by people at GM in the know (Scott Settlemire) that prices are the last thing to be set on a production model. But with that being said its supposed to compete with the mustang in both price and options.. so look at a v6 in the low 20's(base mustang price), a v8 in the mid/high 20's(base GT price) and a high power v8 in the low 40's(GT500 MSRP price). Thats the best bet anyone will have until probably mid 2008.
GT500 DOSEN'T COUNT!!!

It's in a class all it's own....sorry fo the outburst.
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They build and sell cars

correction. Ford doesnt build cars, they only sell them. they pay people like roush, shelby, and saleen to Build thier cars. Thats one of the reasons why I will always choose GM/Chevy over ford. chevy comes out with power spouting cars from the get-go. worst comes to worst, do a quick tune and add 20 hp!

Fords flagship is the Mustang.
Chevy's is the Corvette.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut,
ford doesnt make a production car that can compete to chevy's #1 car. thats why they fight with the Camaro, (#2 in the Chevy runnings, #1 in my heart).
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correction. Ford doesnt build cars, they only sell them. they pay people like roush, shelby, and saleen to Build thier cars. Thats one of the reasons why I will always choose GM/Chevy over ford. chevy comes out with power spouting cars from the get-go. worst comes to worst, do a quick tune and add 20 hp!

Fords flagship is the Mustang.
Chevy's is the Corvette.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut,
ford doesnt make a production car that can compete to chevy's #1 car. thats why they fight with the Camaro, (#2 in the Chevy runnings, #1 in my heart).
It sucks to say, but it's true. Ford had the GT supercar, but hell that only had a limited run and was well over $100K.

As for the GT500, I won't consider it a real contender for anything unless it starts selling for MSRP. Until then it is a waste of a car.
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Sorry if you don't think the gt500 isn't a real contender.. but if you think you won't see a high power camaro to compete with it with a similar price tag (MSRP) then be prepared to be surprised..
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Not saying that...but GT500 is special edition, limited production. So I don't count it in the price guestimates....that's all. Same with a competing Camaro - doesn't count.
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It may be a special limited edition but its what the general public acknowledges as the top dog mustang.. For GM to NOT put out a limited special edition to compete with its hp numbers is prescription for marketing disaster.. now I'm not basing the base v8 pricing off of it.. just the *super performance limited special edition*..

I guess what im trying to say is..

Regular production:
You will have a v6 camaro around the mustangs base v6 price range.
You will have a v8 camaro around the mustang gt v8 price range.

Special editions/ limited production #s
You will have a high power v8 camaro around the GT500 price range.

Regardless of what either of us fail to recognize as the truth, its really all just pulling theories out of thin air. What I tell people to realistically assume is that if you can afford a mustang with the options you want (engine/trans/vert/coupe/special edition etc..) then you will be able to afford the camaro with the same options.
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What I am saying is that I am really bothered by the fact that people are still paying $15K+ in dealer markups for a car that MSRPs in the low $40K range.

$42K for a 500hp car is a phenominal value.....$65K+ for 500hp car that weighs two tons not so much.
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Oh... I am not debating value.. the GT500 is not worth what people are paying.. its worth its msrp and not a penny more, but people see Barret Jackson Shelby's going for outrageous amounts and then assume in 30 years the same thing will happen again just because of a name.. while Ford dealers/Shelby grin all the way to the bank.

Its another reason why I can't wait for the camaro.. so that there is a "street" competitor for the GT500 and infinitely better valued at close to the same msrp and the Shelby's start to sit on the lot and devalue.
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New member, chiming in. (I hope I don't offend anyone with an opinionated first post!)

I have to agree with diarmadhi on pricing guesses. Besides - they're just guesses, in any case. We would ALL love to own a 400 hp car for under 30K, but I just don't think I see it happening. I think that the pony has ALWAYS been the Camaro competition, and to expect much different from GM at this point is wishful thinking - so expect the Mustang in it's various trim levels to largely st the tone for what you can expect to be paying. Wishful thinking, btw, is perfectly fine. Just don't be surprised to find diarmadhi's not far from the mark. I equally don't think they're going to offer the high end car as a significant competitor to the basic Corvette - that has ALWAYS been GM's corporate favorite child, and it's not likely to change either. If they offer a Camaro that approaches Corvette performance, expect premium pricing to keep munbers to a minimum, and some other Corvette bling to keep those guys happy that theirs is still the cream of the crop.

I'm very fortunate - I make enough money that i COULD buy a Vette - but I love the Camaro, and God bless GM for finally doing one right. The trailer for Transformers for me was just a SPECTACULAR ad for the Camaro - it can't come out soon enough. Now I have to go watch the movie just to see the car!!! (Ahh heck - my nine year old would have made me go anyways...)

So. I want the supercharged version, convertible, yellow with black stripes, 6-speed short-throw shifter with manual transmission. 3.42 gears in the rear. Guess I ought to go cast some ballots...

BTW - will these be collectible? Maybe. But I'm certainly not gonna go put a 40K car in the garage HOPING for a 400% 30 year increase in value.

By the same token - I appreciate what some of you guys have noted as your price limits, and I COMPLETELY hear where you're coming from - i sure didn't grow up rich. I've got an 88 IROC with a 350 TPI in it that I bought a few years ago and have been slowly nursing back to health. The problem with buying a top-end PERFORMANCE oriented car is that someone else will beat the p*ss out of it before they put that "For Sale" sign in the window.

Looking forward to following the release of this potentially spectacular car with you all!!

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just think about it base v6 20's base v8 mid to high 20's v8 ss 30's to mid 30's and finaly v8 ss supercharger somwhere in the 40's it only makes since. I would guess a special addition somwhere after a year or two in 2010 or 2011.
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just think about it base v6 20's base v8 mid to high 20's v8 ss 30's to mid 30's and finaly v8 ss supercharger somwhere in the 40's it only makes since. I would guess a special addition somwhere after a year or two in 2010 or 2011.
No, there is no way that the Camaro will EVER be priced in the 40's, it's way to close to the Vette...
You see, Ford has no "Corvette"...the GT is too expensive(so to speak). So the GT500 is the in place of a Vette.
The Camaro will NOT be priced that high - it would be a stupid choice on GM's part. Maybe a limited production - very special edition one...? But not your Camaros from V6 to Z28 SS (or Top Dog). Under 34,000 all of them....
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Dragon Im sure theres gonna be camaro in the low 40s range.. the vette is a completely different monster than the mustang as you have pointed out and for many a vette is too impractical (no trunk, no backseat, too much power). There are people out there that will buy a high hp 4 seater (look at beamers and the like), and want the styling plus USA brand. Yes those of us here would end up getting a vette instead .. but thats all the better for GM. That being said, you or I wont be paying that much or likely won't even get a shot at one unless we win an ebay bid or pay markups for the special edition..

basicaly yea it wont be the ss/z28/base regular production models, but there will be one as a special edition at some point and time (oh and no I don't think it will get the ls7, most likely a blown ls2 see thread Link)
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No, there is no way that the Camaro will EVER be priced in the 40's, it's way to close to the Vette...
You see, Ford has no "Corvette"...the GT is too expensive(so to speak). So the GT500 is the in place of a Vette.
The Camaro will NOT be priced that high - it would be a stupid choice on GM's part. Maybe a limited production - very special edition one...? But not your Camaros from V6 to Z28 SS (or Top Dog). Under 34,000 all of them....
I'm with Dragon on this one, guys. The only difference is this...there will be a 40+ Camaro, but it will be built by GMMG and will be a special edition (just like they have done before being sold by Tom Henry, Dick Herrell, Berger, etc.). But, I feel that the Camaros built by GM and sold in dealers won't push past the $40K mark.

I can see the GT500 being priced that high to compare with the Corvette...becuase they don't have any other muscle cars in that price range that could compete.
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With the BASE price of the 2007 Corvette at $44,000 in 2007, I think a TOP model Camaro at $40-$42 in 2008 is a VERY real possibility. Let's see - we'll need to add at least ONE year of inflation, if not two (depending on when the car is actually released) which will take the base Corvette price up to $45,320 or 46,680. This is the BASE model, and prior to any incentives (or yeah - like when do THOSE apply to a new Corvette?) delivery charges, or dealer markups. And of course, no options.

So I can easily see see a fully optioned Camaro at just under that.

In 2004 I bought an Escalade EXT, but priced out the Avalanche with the full options package before i made my choice. Even with ALL the options, the Avalanche is NOT the Escalade, and you'd cry to see how close the price for a fully optioned Avalanche versus a base Escalade were. As I remember it ended up only being some $3 or $4k difference (sorry - it was three years ago, and I haven't regretted my decision at all).

I'm not saying that I WANT the car to be priced there, and I would LOVE to think that we might get it for $36 or so, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I also believe that it is not likely to be the first model released, and will likely be sold in limited numbers when it is released. I also hate to think what the dealer markup might be like... Ouch!!

But in the meantime, it IS fun to speculate...
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A decently-optioned Z28 SS in 2002, the last model year and top dog Camaro MSRP'd around 26,000. That was 325 or so Horses. Apply inflation, and the proper Hp rises espected over the years of hiatus, and you get the 5th gen top dog for around 30,000, again decently optioned...
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I really hope you're right. Truly!!

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If the car passes 40k then bad news for me, I am not going into the 4 figure mark on a camaro. Sorry GM :(

It never makes sense to me, not even in the mustang thing. You can buy a Cobra for around 46k and get 500HP or buy a GT for 26k and procharge it for 6k and get 500hp for around 32-35k.
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Guys guys guys, we are talking the top end 500+ hp version.. a limited quantity vehicle.. NOT the top dog reg production model(whatever they call it).. the mustang GT equivalent wont pass 35k.. becuase it has to be competitive with it. A loaded Mustang (non- limited production, special edition, whatever) will run you low 30's loaded with leather and such..

Again I go back to my statement eariler in the thread.. If you can afford what you want in a mustang right now you will be able to afford the camaro equivilent.

Edit - Realize also that the mustang gt is scheduled to get a boost to 350 HP in 09 Model Year, and GM has stated it will beat the mustang at the same trim levels.
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Absolutely! More Hp, and beauty for the same price!
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