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Old 11-30-2008, 10:37 AM   #1
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M6 guys... T6060 is a POS !!

I seems that the gt500 guys and the corvette guys are having one hell of a time with this transmission. It seems gm is really not helping them out to much.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...e-trannys.html

Gt500 same issue
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ghlight=tranny

Sure hope they iron all this out for the 5th gen
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:12 AM   #2
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not good news! considering it ONLY happens when the tranny is cold and its only 1-2 and not all owners are having issues, it doesn't seem like a major design flaw
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:55 AM   #3
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Just skimming threw the threads you posted looks like these trannys are being abused.
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Old 11-30-2008, 12:17 PM   #4
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the 2 cars ive driven with the tr6060 were smooth as silk (z06, and gt500). they were warmed up bt still.
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Old 11-30-2008, 12:31 PM   #5
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Sounds more like a clutch issue for the Mustangs anyway. As for the vette problems, sounds more like the synchros are hanging up and I would think it would get better with miles. However, I would be pretty upset if I took good care of my car and it started grinding gears like that.
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Old 11-30-2008, 01:34 PM   #6
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after reading some of the posts I'm sure it's not a design flaw. but oh well. baby's.
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Old 11-30-2008, 01:51 PM   #7
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I've talked to a couple of my vette buddies and they all say the same thing "thats just the way the transmission is when its cold".

I used to have a chevette diesel (quit laughing) and it was the same way for the first mile or two of driving when it was cold. It was'nt an issue in warm weather, and it was'nt much of an issue below zero. It was just stiff to shift for the first few times through the range until it got warmed up. Everything shifted smooth...no grind etc....it was just as if the trans fluid was as thick as mud.
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This tranny should be stronger than the T56 from what I have read on the specs .. I'm not to worried about this ... you always have some folks that abuse the trannys ...

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I'm just a bit worried because the time they say it takes to warm up is longer than it takes me to even get to work heh.
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Old 11-30-2008, 02:24 PM   #10
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+1 for the autos....lol



seriously tho... anyone know what weight of gear lube they are using in the trans?
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Old 11-30-2008, 02:34 PM   #11
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This surprises me Ive always heard great things about this transmission. Hope they get the kinks out for the camaro.
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Doesn't the Challenger 6.1 Hemi use this same tr6060 manual transmission as the Camaro. A salesman trying to sell me a Challanger said the 6 speed manual was delayed with transmission and clutch problems.
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It's no slick Japenese transmission. But then Japenese transmissions don't have to handle GOBS of torque. They would go BOOM.

Many Vette owners put Royal Purple tranny fluid in (not GM approved), and lighten the action up, especially when cold.

The automatic trans is no gift either. It searches and hunts for the right gear - most automatics do.

There are trade-offs for the neck snapping, amusement park torque instantly available at any RPM.

And yes, Corvette Forum is a terrific place to get more info on these types of things. (Like LS3 real world experience).
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Old 11-30-2008, 04:34 PM   #14
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This same issue was mentioned quite a while ago, I don't think the term POS applies, you're being dramatic. It was determined the first time around that the grinding could be caused by poor shifting technique. I love it when you get people brand new to the site posting stuff like the sky is falling.
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This same issue was mentioned quite a while ago, I don't think the term POS applies, you're being dramatic. It was determined the first time around that the grinding could be caused by poor shifting technique. I love it when you get people brand new to the site posting stuff like the sky is falling.
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whasat do you mean by shifting technique? sorry i only drove stick for 7 months to learn and im getting the camaro in stick so if you could explain that would be great
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whasat do you mean by shifting technique? sorry i only drove stick for 7 months to learn and im getting the camaro in stick so if you could explain that would be great
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if you cant find it... grind it!
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Old 11-30-2008, 06:10 PM   #18
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I think we need to see this thing in action in the Camaro before we cry foul. Lots of things can impact the shifting and the setup in the Camaro is going to be a little different than either the Vette or GT500.
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if you cant find it... grind it!
That's exactly what they're saying. Got a problem, it's YOUR fault. Shifting technique indeed. Put the Royal Purple Tranny oil in, and if it ever needs warranty service, put the standard GM lube back in before going to the dealer.

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whasat do you mean by shifting technique? sorry i only drove stick for 7 months to learn and im getting the camaro in stick so if you could explain that would be great
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If you've been rowing your own for 7 months you're good. With a properly working tranny, everyone shifts the same, clutch in, throw the stick, clutch out.

You've probably gotten lazy a time or 2 and didn't push the clutch in far enough and the gears not sync, etc bla-bla. Or, not enough revs at takoff and it stutters/jerks, too much revs and maybe you get some hop depending on the car....Or clutch out too fast=jerk.

You have enough experience that if somethings wrong, you may not be able to describe it, but you'll know it.

I would like someone to describe what they mean by 'double clutching', that shouldn't ever be necessary on a sync'd tranny, I'm curious why you'd do it.

[edit] By the way, the t6060 is a re-bop of the t56, because it's new there may be bugs, (looks like a hit-n-miss problem) but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling too quick. It'll probably go down in history as one damned fine OE tranny. The vette 6060 is a transaxle arrangement.
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This same issue was mentioned quite a while ago, I don't think the term POS applies, you're being dramatic. It was determined the first time around that the grinding could be caused by poor shifting technique. I love it when you get people brand new to the site posting stuff like the sky is falling.
I used the term POS because it was used serveral times in the corvette forum. I must admit I also heard good things about this tranny but apearantly its not so. Could it be just from abuse, I suppose so. Either way I still plan on getting the m6 car so lets hope this is just a bunch of bs from abused tranny's.
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:19 PM   #22
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I have 18,000 miles on my T6060, putting down over 600rwhp for over 10K of those miles with no issues whatsoever thus far. It seems to be isolated cases.
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Exclamation am I picking the wrong one?

Fudge icicle sticks! I ordered the M6, with the Hurst and haven't driven a stick for about 15 years. Should I change my order to an auto? Would they even add an automatic later on if I get the manual now and find too much trouble with it? I figured I would probably go through a clutch getting my bearing around a stick but wasn't expecting to read about all this trouble before getting it out the box.

What would you do in my position?
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If you've been rowing your own for 7 months you're good. With a properly working tranny, everyone shifts the same, clutch in, throw the stick, clutch out.

You've probably gotten lazy a time or 2 and didn't push the clutch in far enough and the gears not sync, etc bla-bla. Or, not enough revs at takoff and it stutters/jerks, too much revs and maybe you get some hop depending on the car....Or clutch out too fast=jerk.

You have enough experience that if somethings wrong, you may not be able to describe it, but you'll know it.

I would like someone to describe what they mean by 'double clutching', that shouldn't ever be necessary on a sync'd tranny, I'm curious why you'd do it.

[edit] By the way, the t6060 is a re-bop of the t56, because it's new there may be bugs, (looks like a hit-n-miss problem) but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling too quick. It'll probably go down in history as one damned fine OE tranny. The vette 6060 is a transaxle arrangement.
Double clutching is used for down shifting, you release the clutch in neutral rev the engine so that the engine and transmission input match speeds with the output shaft and rear wheels. It helps you decelerate much more quickly.
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To add to that you also have to use your right foot to brake and hit the throttle at the same time. It's a lot easier when the brake and throttle peddles are at the same height, this isn't always the case and makes it much more difficult but not impossible.
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