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Old 06-07-2007, 11:17 AM   #18
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the possibility of a LS7 in a SS Camaro is'nt that far off. SS camaro usually have had base model vette engines in them. In 09, 2010 corvette is going to the C7 series and GM says that base model vettes will have LS7's in them. so why wouldent camaro ss have LS7's in them. besides the price of them of course. a brand new LS7 costs about 15-17K, and I dont have a clue how much the tranny costs. But I did just see a commercial for a cadillac cts-v thats 600hp with a LS7 engine. so the possibility is there
You can buy a brand new LS7 crate motor from several sources right now for $12-13K. As more are produced the price will come down. As far as the tranny, the Vette's and CTS-V's use a T56. You can buy a race ready T56 for $2200.

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Old 06-07-2007, 11:20 AM   #19
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From http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2006/LS7.shtml


"The LS7's specifications are significant for a production engine:

505 horsepower @ 6200 rpm
475 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4800 rpm
7000-rpm redline
Unique engine block with larger 104.8-mm (4.125-inch) bores and pressed-in cylinder liners
Forged steel crankshaft with 101.6-mm (4-inch) stroke
Titanium connecting rods
Cast aluminum flat-top pistons
Racing-derived CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads with titanium intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves
Dry-sump oiling system
11.0:1 compression ratio
Camshaft with 15-mm (.591-inch) lift

Hydroformed exhaust headers with unique "quad flow" collector flanges.
All LS7 engines are assembled by hand at GM's new Performance Build Center in Wixom , Mich. The exacting standards to which they are built include deck-plate boring and honing of the cylinders and even crank line-boring of the block with the deck plates and side bolts installed - procedures normally associated with the building of racing engines and almost unheard of in a production-vehicle engine."

There are lots of details like this one that makes me skeptical of the LS7 as a large-volume production engine... I just don't see them being able to maintain this level of quality on a much larger scale... There are LOTS of details like this in this engine that make it hard to produce on a large scale (IMHO).

But I hope I'm wrong...

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Old 06-07-2007, 11:37 AM   #20
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Keep the faith. 3whiterag keep on wrenching!!!!!! We need more power Scotty!!!!!!!

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Old 06-07-2007, 12:28 PM   #21
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Should the need arise, the corvette Z06's LS7 V-8 stands ready to outmuscle Dodge's Hemi by 80 horsepower. -Bob Lutz
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Old 06-07-2007, 12:45 PM   #22
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Where did you find this and was it attributed to the up-coming new pony HP war???

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Old 06-07-2007, 01:15 PM   #23
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Should the need arise, the corvette Z06's LS7 V-8 stands ready to outmuscle Dodge's Hemi by 80 horsepower. -Bob Lutz
Um, the need HAS arisen! Just ask anyone here!

I think Chevy DOES need to put a 500+hp engine in the new Camaro just to keep pace with Ford and Dodge...

The new Mustang GT (2009) will probably output 350-375hp

The new Challenger will put out 435-450hp

The new Camaro HAS to put out something competative, and the LS7 is a ready-made, proven solution!

That being said, I WOULD shell out some serious $$$ for a supercharged LS7 (even if it meant eating RAMEN noodles for a year or so)... its just going to be SO worth it!

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Old 06-07-2007, 01:28 PM   #24
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yeah shelbys got the new GT 500KR (king of the road) coming out in 2008 its packing 540 hp. dodge has the new viper pushing 600 hp. now there are rumors of a vette in 2009 haveing 650-700 hp(with a blown LS7,LS2, or LS3)
and I for get who makes it but theres a supercharger that just came out a couple of months ago for the LS7 its a bolt-on and it takes it from 505 to 645hp. so everybody is trying to be king of the hill right now
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It's in an older issue of MT. May '06 pg. 49
He, [Bob Lutz] responded to questions about the Camaro concept's 25-horsepower deficit relative to Dodge's Challenger. I wouldn't have posted that if it was just somebody's guess, but they have him stating that, "on the record".

Also, Mr. Lutz is talking to reporters about how many Camaro's GM needs to sell to compete with that of Ford's Mustang... He say's that they need to "offer an entry level V-6 priced just over $20,000, and an affordable V-8 model priced under $30,000".

The cost of an SS model??? Anyone's guess but if GM's going to stick to Mr. Lutz' claims, then I can't see them charging an extra $10,000 for a $6800 engine.
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Old 06-07-2007, 01:40 PM   #26
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The cost of an SS model??? Anyone's guess but if GM's going to stick to Mr. Lutz' claims, then I can't see them charging an extra $10,000 for a $6800 engine.
Oh I CAN! I could easily see an SS / Z28 edition costing over $40K! Think about it... The engine cost is JUST the beginning... then you have upgrade brakes, suspension, wheels, tires, interior trim, HID headlamps, body flares, wings, etc. and you could easily add on $10K to the base v8.

A good example of this is the new BMW M3... the 'base' for this car is the $44K 335i Coupe, but the M3 is going to sell for over $60K! Easy money...

My guess FWIW is that the base V8 will go for $29,995 (base, no options) but will most lilely roll out the door around $33-$35K. The Z28 Edition will probably START around $37.5K and roll out the door closer to $42K

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Old 06-07-2007, 01:42 PM   #27
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That being said, I WOULD shell out some serious $$$ for a supercharged LS7 (even if it meant eating RAMEN noodles for a year or so)... its just going to be SO worth it!

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Id be in the cardboard box next to you eating some ramen if they do that..lol
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:26 PM   #28
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I know this is somewhat OT, but now I am really confused. I just re-read this article on the new "Blue Devil" ubber Vette. Everyone has been speculating 6.2 or 7.0 Liter S/C engine. I know I have read the article before but must have glossed over it. According to C&D this is what Lutz says about the engine in the Blue Devil:

Lutz won’t divulge engine details except to say the displacement of the new (Blue Devil) powertrain is greater than that of the pushrod 7.0-liter V-8 in the Z06.

Page 2 here's the link: http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyaut...nce-page2.html

Can this be correct? I mean it is Car and Driver.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:30 PM   #29
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I know this is somewhat OT, but now I am really confused. I just re-read this article on the new "Blue Devil" ubber Vette. Everyone has been speculating 6.2 or 7.0 Liter S/C engine. I know I have read the article before but must have glossed over it. According to C&D this is what Lutz says about the engine in the Blue Devil:

Lutz won’t divulge engine details except to say the displacement of the new (Blue Devil) powertrain is greater than that of the pushrod 7.0-liter V-8 in the Z06.

Page 2 here's the link: http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyaut...nce-page2.html

Can this be correct? I mean it is Car and Driver.

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I don't think so... I think ol Bob was just tossing some chaff into the air. Everything I have read/heard has this engine as one of the supercharged options listed above.

IF they did make it larger, it would require a larger block (IMHO) since the 427 currently used is as big as they could get with the current bore spacing.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:33 PM   #30
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LS7 is old news, maybe an LSA?
LSA????

Enlighten me please.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:46 PM   #31
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I don't think so... I think ol Bob was just tossing some chaff into the air. Everything I have read/heard has this engine as one of the supercharged options listed above.

IF they did make it larger, it would require a larger block (IMHO) since the 427 currently used is as big as they could get with the current bore spacing.

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LSX
At the 2006 SEMA show, GM Performance Parts introduced the LSX engine, an all-new cast-iron racing block based on the LS7 engine. It was designed with help from drag racing legend Warren Johnson, and despite being based on GM's small-block design, it offers displacements ranging from 364 cubic inches to 511 cubic inches (4.25" Bore x 4.5" Stroke) and is capable of withstanding 2500 bhp. This block incorporates two extra rows of head-bolt holes per bank for increased clamping capacity. The six bolt steel main caps are the same ones used on the LS7 engine. The engine debuted at the auto show in a customized 1969 Camaro owned by Reggie Jackson. The LSX will be available starting the second quarter of 2007, set to be available in authorized dealerships and retailers on March 31, 2007.[2]


LS9
Early reports indicate that a 6.2 L LS9 derivative is due in 2008. Displacement was a reportedly decreased for a thicker cylinder wall, to promote a stronger cylinder to deal with the rigors of possibly forced induction. A picture of this motor was seen drifting around on the internet, and it seems to be equipped with a positive displacement supercharger and is stated to produce 700 hp and will be available in the future Z07. A tuned down version will also be available with 600 hp in the 2008 Cadillac CTS-V [3]

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We will see. Doubt they would use the LSX due to weight but it sure looks like you could make up for it with HP.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:48 PM   #32
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Sorry - I originally posted the $6800 figure for the LS7 - but that's just a short block (i think that was from Golen - found it with Google!). $12-$15K is PROBABLY a better estimate for a complete motor.

Just to reiterate my position - I believe that this motor COULD be offered, but it would be at a premium price ($40K or more) and in a limited run. I think a basic V8 motor is gonna put this car in the $30K range.

Interesting horsepower war we seem to find ourselves in, considering the cost of gasoline and concerns for global warming (whether you personally believe it or not - the popular concern exists). We're a long way from the mid-70's second gen cars here!!!
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IMO, I think the "RS" equivalent will cost $29,995 and based off what the '06 GTO was running, I expect the Z28 to cost somewhere in the $33-35k~ish area. So perhaps the SS will shoot up in price a bit to maybe $42-45k
That's '07 vette territory..
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