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Old 06-08-2007, 07:26 PM   #51
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Wow. You talk about a loaded question...

Is this newly built? Already built? Do they have dyno numbers to PROVE the output? What does it come equipped with? What is the base block?

Most importantly, WHY do you want to do this??

Gut response - RUN AWAY!!!! Don't do it. WAIT AND SEE. Let's see what the new Camaro actually comes with before you drop 4K on a motor (of unknown vintage, I might add...) that you MIGHT be able to swap in. I would not be in ANY rush to drop a motor in a brand new car, in any case. That money (the engine plus the work to do it) might just be better spent on a better equipped model than the one you're planning on.

Besides, (and I'm not saying it CAN'T be done) but what a freaking headache!! With everything computer controlled, you're gonna drop WAY more bucks on getting that sucker to work, and probably NOT going to be happy with the end result.
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Yeah I have to agree. I don't see why there shouldn't be a 500+ hp SS in '09. Look at it like this, less time time wrenchin' more time drivin'!
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Exactly my response, too. Run Away. Given Modern advancements in car ECU's, you would need to be absolutely positive that this Engine could work in a Camaro, without a complete overhaul...Since nobody even knows which engines are supposed to come in the camaro I wouldn't bet on a swap with this one. 500 hp for 4000? sounds either broken or really old.
Sorry to be so negative...but 4k is a lot to drop on an engine you may not be able to use.
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Excuse the newb. questions. I've been offered a rebuilt 383cu/500hp chevy engine ($4,000)- how much would it cost to have this sucka installed on my future 09 Camaro? *Could* I have it installed on an 09 Camaro? What other upgrades would I need, and roughly how much do you think they would cost?

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Why would you WANT to do this??? What POSSIBLE reason could you have for doing this?

Let's say you wanted to... you'd buy a V6 Camaro? Then pull that motor and swap in the V8 your talking about? I'd bet dollars to donuts that the cost difference between the V6 and the BIG V8 would be less than the cost of putting this motor into the Camaro (once you factor in all the changes to electronics, drivetrain, transmissions, etc).

Save your $$$ and just buy as much motor as you can afford from GM.

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As I had guessed... Motortrend.com is now correcting itself and posting what we have talked about at length:

"UPDATE: Our sources have just confirmed that the supercharged V-8 that will power the 2009 Corvette SS/Z07/Blue Devil and the supercharged V-8 that will power the '09 Cadillac CTS-v will be 6.2 liters, not the 7.0-liter as we reported in our July issue. It makes sense in that General Motors was getting the horsepower, but not the torque it wanted from the 427.6 cubic-inch engine. Despite the engine difference, we continue to expect the CTS-v to come with some 600-horsepower when it arrives.
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NOW everything is coming together... it makes waaay more sense. They will def. stick this engine in the new Camaro Z28 (IMHO), so we can hope for BIG things!

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Old 06-11-2007, 09:55 PM   #56
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anyone else think that its no coincidence that we've got the camaro coming out in 09, corvette goes to the C7. the introduction of this new LS3, and LS9 both the 6.2L engine, one's blown with the capibility of pushing 700hp due to thicker cylinder walls. not to mention that 6.2L is just a more aggressive version of the LS2, but it has higher flowing cylinder heads derived from the LS7, a more aggressive camshaft, a revised valve train with offset intake rocker arms, a high-flow intake manifold, and high-flow fuel injectors from the LS7 engine. think about it we've all heard the rumors of the vette pushing 650-700hp in 09, and we know that shelby gt 500 kr is gonna have 540 hp and viper's got 600 hp. they're not blowing a LS7 that already has a compression ratio of 11:1. so heres my prediction (an optimistic one) for the Vette Base model C7 505 hp LS7, ZO6 700 hp LS9. For the camaro, V6 who cares I wont be getting one. Z28 LS3 430hp, SS LS7 505 hp. For those saying why do that when you can get the LS3 and make a LS9, the difference between them are the thick cylinder walls which makes it capable of handeling forced induction. they said that displacement is actually lower in the LS9 due to the reinforced cylinder walls, which is why I think GM wont put them in any car without a blower on it. but thats just my 2 cents

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Old 06-12-2007, 08:08 AM   #57
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I don't need a 600 hp Camaro, 575 hp will do!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:34 AM   #58
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Shoot, I'd "settle" for a 450hp Z/28 as long as it had stellar handling, braking, etc. to straighten out the curves. You can bet though that I would not turn down more HP!
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Hey I never said I wouldn't mind a 600HP Camaro from Chevy. I just think that it would be a bit optimistic. Plus 600HP in such a mass marketed car? We would truly be entering a new era of automotive history.
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anyone else think that its no coincidence that we've got the camaro coming out in 09, corvette goes to the C7. the introduction of this new LS3, and LS9 both the 6.2L engine, one's blown with the capibility of pushing 700hp due to thicker cylinder walls. not to mention that 6.2L is just a more aggressive version of the LS2, but it has higher flowing cylinder heads derived from the LS7, a more aggressive camshaft, a revised valve train with offset intake rocker arms, a high-flow intake manifold, and high-flow fuel injectors from the LS7 engine. think about it we've all heard the rumors of the vette pushing 650-700hp in 09, and we know that shelby gt 500 kr is gonna have 540 hp and viper's got 600 hp. they're not blowing a LS7 that already has a compression ratio of 11:1. so heres my prediction (an optimistic one) for the Vette Base model C7 505 hp LS7, ZO6 700 hp LS9. For the camaro, V6 who cares I wont be getting one. Z28 LS3 430hp, SS LS7 505 hp. For those saying why do that when you can get the LS3 and make a LS9, the difference between them are the thick cylinder walls which makes it capable of handeling forced induction. they said that displacement is actually lower in the LS9 due to the reinforced cylinder walls, which is why I think GM wont put them in any car without a blower on it. but thats just my 2 cents
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LoL, everyone is shooting so high for such a low price. I am getting interested in seeing what actually will be released.
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We all are! lol...but who here really thinks the price of the GM made and GM delivered top of the line Camaro will be surpassing the corvette? The Camaro has always been and should always be within the price range of the average person and younger generations. I can see the fully decked out, top of the line convertible going for $35K. I see GMMG building special edition Camaros for well above that....and how did this become a price thread too!!! ahhhh...the cost of the LS7.

The LS7 will be history by the time the Camaro comes out. But, not to worry, GM will have better engines with higher rpm's, more torque, and better fuel economy by this time. The LS7 is truly a work of art as I've said before. But, I have a gut feeling we haven't seen anything yet!
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I don't mean to sound like I'm made of money, because believe me I'm not. But, why is everyone trying and hoping this NEW Camaro is going to be so inexpensive? I can remember back in 2001 looking at a new SS Camaro with every toy avail. at it was $34,000. I would be thrilled if the Top Camaro(500 hp plus) costs $40,000. Just how I see it.
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I don't mean to sound like I'm made of money, because believe me I'm not. But, why is everyone trying and hoping this NEW Camaro is going to be so inexpensive? I can remember back in 2001 looking at a new SS Camaro with every toy avail. at it was $34,000. I would be thrilled if the Top Camaro(500 hp plus) costs $40,000. Just how I see it.

I agree, those are definitely the memories I have of what the top camaro ran back towards the end of the run of the 4th gen.

I personally don't see it being any cheaper than the outgoing GTO which was in the low $30K range (unless you got a spectacular deal from factory plans or because the dealer was trying to clear the lots). The GTO had a great price for what it offered, no shame in that. It was an incredible value for a 400hp/400 ft-lbs RWD coupe.

But weren't we talking about the possibility of the LS7?
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Yeah, I think we can all say with confidence that the engine in the Camaro SS will share many components with the Blue Devil and the Cadillac CTS-V. It just makes good sense from a product planning perspective... if they all have the same major components, it divides the cost between as many platforms as possible.

My theory (FWIW) is that the Camaro SS will show up with about 600hp in 2010. This will also be packaged with all kinds of heavy duty hardware... uprated brakes, limited slip diff, trans cooler, heavy duty half shafts, etc. It should cost about $50K at that time (my guess only).

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Old 06-14-2007, 09:20 AM   #66
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I don't mean to sound like I'm made of money, because believe me I'm not. But, why is everyone trying and hoping this NEW Camaro is going to be so inexpensive? I can remember back in 2001 looking at a new SS Camaro with every toy avail. at it was $34,000. I would be thrilled if the Top Camaro(500 hp plus) costs $40,000. Just how I see it.
Well you're obviously going to pay more for a Super Sport.
At the same time, GM is trying to sell at least 100,000 Camaros. They have to keep value in mind because they need to be competitive with the Ford Rustang. Down here in Florida, you can buy a brand new Ford Rustang GT for anywhere between $25-27,000, that's a V-8. So GM has to have a V-8 priced under $30,000 as well, Bob Lutz' has already said that.
I'm sure they'll have pricer models with more hp, but then so do all the auto makers. GM has a projected target of how many Camaros they need to sell, and they can't do that if they're pricing their "general" fleet of Camaro's next to $40,000.
IMO, people buy "looks". If your car "looks" good, you're going to sell it. And the Camaro looks better than good so I don't think GM'll have any trouble reaching their goal.
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Eisenhower hit the nail on the head, their will be a v8 under 30k. The question is which v8? The LS2 and LS7 are going out of production so what other v8 can compete in the 350 hp range (rumored hp for the 2009 mustang). The realistic guess is probably the answer.

Back on topic, I will say it again the LS7 is on its way out the camaro wont get it in a production model (though probably some dealer or aftermarket company would drop one in).
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What about the 6.0L V8 they're going to be using in the G8? Puts out 362 horses...I can deal with that!

I have this theory: that there is an amount of hp that is too much. 362 is respectable and to be feared. 450 is mighty powerful -too be feared even more, 600 - yeah okay; wow(overkill), 700 - your reaching useless territory. Everytime you step on the pedal you'll be buying a new set of tires. And of course there is the weight issue vs hp, and I realize that, but you see where I'm going?
I don't see where you're going to use 600 and up hp...except on the strip. but I don't consider that a race - I see it as more of a measurement. A real race will kill you if you can't control those 600+ horses (and not many can). IT TAKES A GOOD DRIVER TO WIN A RACE, NOT A CAR. And certainly 362hp - which I see as the minimum V8 power coming out of Camaro - gives a driver the tools he needs to win.

Just my $0.02, take it or leave it
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What about the 6.0L V8 they put in the Escalade and the Sierra Denalis? It puts out 402 HP?

Okay, some might say it's a truck engine, but still, 6.0L V8 putting out over 400HP for a truck should mean it's possible for the car version. Besides, are they really that different any more?

It would seem to me that GM has enough part sharing/commonality across the product range that they could put some serious muscle into the Camaro without having to increase costs too much (if any) building it. I've always thought that if an automaker could find a way to start using engines (just as one example) in more vehicles than that engine was originally designed for, then you start defraying the cost of that engine's design and development over more cars, the per unit cost goes down. But, I'm no Accountant, that's for sure.

Either way, I think it should be relatively easy for Chevy to put a lot of power under the of the Camaro with any of the engines (even the V-6 should be capable of 320-340).
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What about the 6.0L V8 they put in the Escalade and the Sierra Denalis? It puts out 402 HP?

Okay, some might say it's a truck engine, but still, 6.0L V8 putting out over 400HP for a truck should mean it's possible for the car version. Besides, are they really that different any more?

It would seem to me that GM has enough part sharing/commonality across the product range that they could put some serious muscle into the Camaro without having to increase costs too much (if any) building it. I've always thought that if an automaker could find a way to start using engines (just as one example) in more vehicles than that engine was originally designed for, then you start defraying the cost of that engine's design and development over more cars, the per unit cost goes down. But, I'm no Accountant, that's for sure.

Either way, I think it should be relatively easy for Chevy to put a lot of power under the of the Camaro with any of the engines (even the V-6 should be capable of 320-340).
Mmm. I'd say that's pushing it. They just released a 300 hp V6, and that was a breakthrough.
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What about the 6.0L V8 they put in the Escalade and the Sierra Denalis? It puts out 402 HP?
Silverado: If you look into this further, you will realize the Escalade now has a 6.2L V-8, which shares a LOT of its architechure with the new V-8 coming out in the new Camaro. The truck engine is the L92 and has a lot of the new features being added to the Camaro V8 (LS3). You can find technical information on GM's homepage (someone had a good link to it around here somewhere...). The new Camaro V8 should be VERY close, just tuned for more horsepower and less weight!

Dragoneye: the LS2 that is coming out in the G8 isn't going to be out there for long, they are going to supersede that engine with the new LS3 ASAP. The older V-8's are long in the tooth and they will need to be updated soon after the car is released... Plus the Camaro needs more engine in it than the G8 to be competative in its segment. Since the Camaro is going up against the Mustang GT, and it will be heavier than the Mustang GT, it had betteer have a LOT more horesepower to compensate! I don't think 62hp more is going to cut it by 2009. The Mustange will probably have 350hp by then, so the Camaro will need something like 425-450 just to compete... IMHO.

Oh, and 600hp? Yes please! Why? Why does anyone drive something more than a 1984 Ford Fiesta? Cause we want to... that's pretty much all there is to it. Can you use it? MAYBE on the strip, but even then you'd better have drag slicks on and REALLY know what your doing. So probably not.

But then again, SOOO many people are driving Ferrari's, Lamborgini's, Bugatti's etc... that the power is sort of a moot point. It only takes about 80hp to go 80mph so why would you ever need more? Cause its fun.

Its just cause you want it, and like it. Oh, and 600hp makes REALLY nice parrallel black stripes wherever you would like them!

Personally I think the Camaro SS with 600+hp would be one of the great collector cars of our time, and I would love to hold on to it as a part of the family... but that is a secondary reason for wanting one.

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LSx...you know, I thought that right after I wrote the post. I know, I probably should have checked my facts before shooting my mouth off....okay, you got me...but the point remains the same.

Dragon...as for a V-6 putting out those numbers....I don't think it's too far-fetched...I mean, take that 300HP V-6 they are putting out now, give it 1 to 1.5 years for more development/upgrade and it's possible. Not to mention that you could probably take that same engine, flash it with a power programmer, change the exhaust, or the intake, and you could add 20-30 HP very quickly.
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Which vehicle is running the 300hp V6? What is the displacement? I'm curious.

300hp for a V6 is great. The 3.5L V6 in the Nissan 350Z and G35 puts down 300hp, and that was about the absolute max they could get out of it.

The 2008 G37 is a 3.7L V6 engine that puts down 330hp and 270ft-lbs of torque all motor. But that particular line of V6 engines from Nissan is very advanced and has won awards for their efficiency.

All that said a high performance V6 engine might break the 300hp mark...and it would actually tie neatly into what I posted on the thread about actual prices for the 5th gen.
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Rock, you're right, that would tie in neatly with your other post....

A HO V6 putting out that kind of HP would let it compete with the low end V8 in the Stangs while getting better MPG and selling for less.....

Very interesting to think about.
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What about the 6.0L V8 they're going to be using in the G8? Puts out 362 horses...I can deal with that!
The 2005 & 06 GTOs:
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0-60 in 4.8 seconds manual transmission.

Wouldn't we see something similar in the 'maro that gets the LS2?

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