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Old 06-14-2007, 06:10 PM   #76
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LS2 is dead. It just is. I knew that.
What I didn't know was that the G8 had an LS2 in it. 2008? I thought they were killing it?

The only thing I'm worried about as far as engine power - is price. Stay Competitive - sure - but not at the expense of price, you know? If advancement in engine technology comes with more hp standard for the same price(which it DOES!) then more power to them. I don't care. 450, 80000, it really doesn't matter. But you can't take those numbers and factor in "LS3 = expensive" and try and price the Camaro accordingly. i think what a lot of people are missing when they cough up prices is that 'competitive with the Mustang' (which it always has been) is more than just hp, you need price, too
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:29 PM   #77
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So the Direct-Injection 3.6L V-6 in the 2008 Cadillac CTS has 300hp and 270lbft. That's pretty darn stout no matter who you ask!

And, since it is shared with the Caddies, it will probably be well-sorted out by the time the Camaro comes out.

Sounds like a nice option for the V-6 crowd out there!

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I thought I read somewhere (like an MT or RT article) that GM was saying it would be a high-feature 3.9L V-6....the past Camaros used the old 3.8L V-6 and when the new one's came out they were going to use a slightly larger but much more refined, powerful, and efficient engine than the previous Camaros.

At least that's what I think I read....I may be wrong....I'll try to look and see if I can find that article.
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I don't know how much hp the V6 will have. But, I've been told that GM can and most likely will put out 2 V6's in this Camaro...a base V6 and a high performance V6 putting out "just as much hp as your 2002 Camaro SS." and..."this would save a lot of money on car insurance." That is exactly what was said to me. I would bet cold, hard cash that the hi-po V6 will have over 300hp. I'd say in the area of 320hp. Which V6 will this be? I haven't a clue. But, if I recall correctly, 3Whiterag was saying something about GM coming out with a few new engines in the near future. It's possible...very possible.
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Well, the Cadillac CTS has TWO V6 Options:

The Direct Injection V6 3.6L = 300hp

The 'Regular' V6 3.6L = 255hp

The 'Secretary' V6 2.8L = 210hp


My guess is that the upper two is what we will see (with a couple of years of evolution, so probably add 30hp to each... A 330hp V6 in a Camaro? Not bad... especially if its a LOT cheaper!

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Old 06-15-2007, 09:45 AM   #81
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Yeah! That's promising. Think about it, who else can compete V6 to V6 at 300+ hp? not Ford, not Dodge - and definitly not the little 4 bangers out there!

A 300+ hp V6 is an excellent choice for GM if they want to produce mass quantitys of these things.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:57 PM   #82
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Yeah, I'd agree... its looking like a pretty stout engine lineup:

Starting at the 'bottom':

Regular 3.6L V6 @ 255hp

Direct Injection 3.6L V6 @ 300hp

Then the V8's...

6.2L LS3 @ 430hp

Supercharged 6.2L LS9 (LS3 Block?)) @ 600hp
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:59 PM   #83
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Yep. The modern era muscle car wars are sure gonna be interesting, even the V6's are worth a peek!
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:05 PM   #84
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I gotta admit...my naughty place won't tingle knowing that the nuetered Camaro will be able to keep up OR BEAT the 4th gen SS...that's....blasphemous.

But good at the same time. Really mixed emotions here!
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #85
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That's the way it's supposed to be, friend - but....ackward post....
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Old 06-15-2007, 11:28 PM   #86
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I gotta admit...my naughty place won't tingle knowing that the nuetered Camaro will be able to keep up OR BEAT the 4th gen SS...that's....blasphemous.

But good at the same time. Really mixed emotions here!
Even if it had a hi-po V6 in the 5th Gen, it wouldn't be able to keep up w/ a 4th Gen. There's a weight difference of almost 350+ pounds on the 5th Gen side. But, I see your point. The hi-po V6 will tear the doors off the other automakers V6's.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:13 AM   #87
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350 pounds!?! Is it really that much? i thought the 4th weighed in at 3500 +/-?
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That is why I think we might see a HIPO V6 Camaro compete with the future Mustang GT, even if the future Mustang GT starts pushing 350hp.

The only other company out there (that I know of) with such a powerful V6 is Nissan. The VQ35HR in the G35 and 350Z are rated at 303 hp and 268 ft-lbs of torque.

There is a higher displacement version of this engine coming out. 3.7L and an expected 330hp and 280 ft-lbs of torque.

The point is that a V6 can make some awesome power (all motor BTW), and I am going to make that prediction that the HIPO V6 in the Camaro will compete with the base V8 in the Mustang GT.

Besides wouldn't that be a slap in the face?
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Hey, if GM does the same thing this time as they did with the Grand National... True, it did have a turbo but still that old 231 was setting records-- that was 20 years ago.
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LS2 is dead. It just is. I knew that.
What I didn't know was that the G8 had an LS2 in it. 2008? I thought they were killing it?

The only thing I'm worried about as far as engine power - is price. Stay Competitive - sure - but not at the expense of price, you know? If advancement in engine technology comes with more hp standard for the same price(which it DOES!) then more power to them. I don't care. 450, 80000, it really doesn't matter. But you can't take those numbers and factor in "LS3 = expensive" and try and price the Camaro accordingly. i think what a lot of people are missing when they cough up prices is that 'competitive with the Mustang' (which it always has been) is more than just hp, you need price, too
Ooops!! I did mean LS3…
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OK I ran through this but didn't see it posted here...

Scott Settlemire settling the same sort of post over on camaroz28.com

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On a 4th gen with a LS7 dropped in it, and the speculation of an LS7 in the 5th gen.

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Cool car -- but with the piece cost of the LS7 -- coupled with some incredible 'future' powerplants -- forget the LS7 in the Camaro as a production option.
My prediction is we get v6's (high and low power), v8 (one probably a NA LS3) and top end production will be an LSA as 3Whiterag has alluded to being the LS3 supercharged.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:45 PM   #92
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I kinda figured it wouldn't be in there. At least not production...
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Hey, if GM does the same thing this time as they did with the Grand National... True, it did have a turbo but still that old 231 was setting records-- that was 20 years ago.
One of my all-time favorite powerplants. The other GM-nastiness being the 4.3L turbo in the Cyclone/Typhoon. Even though there was absolutely no R&D put into the truck, it still made rediculous numbers.
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My prediction is we get v6's (high and low power), v8 (one probably a NA LS3) and top end production will be an LSA as 3Whiterag has alluded to being the LS3 supercharged.
Sounds good to me!
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Yeah! That sounds realistic and good...no, no. Grrrreat!
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Our mates over at Wheels magazine have some news for the followers of power-upgrades in Aussie muscle cars. The Australian buff book claims the Special Vehicles unit of Holden is bringing a 7.0-liter LS7-powered supercar to Sydney's Australian International Motor Show in October. There's no word yet on a name, but Wheels posits that HSV

"...could dust off the unused 427 moniker, or maybe the GTS-R badges from the 2004 concept race car. Our bet is for a combination of the two and the car to wear GTS-R 427 badging..."
All we're betting is if this news is true it greatly heightens the possibilities for dropping that 500 HP-plus LS7 engine into the 2009 Chevy Camaro, the Commodore's Zeta-platformed cousin. And don't even get us speculatin' on an LS7-powered Camino SS for 2011. – Ray Wert

Here's the link: http://www.jalopnik.com/?view=full

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You have no idea just how much I'd love to see the LS7 in the Camaro. I just hope that GM could find a way to mass produce them instead of building them by hand. Could you imagine?!?!?! Unless the LS3 could potentially put out more hp than the LS7 all natural.
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You have no idea just how much I'd love to see the LS7 in the Camaro. I just hope that GM could find a way to mass produce them instead of building them by hand. Could you imagine?!?!?! Unless the LS3 could potentially put out more hp than the LS7 all natural.
I hear ya on that. I've seen several LS7 Z06s that have had a cam change (nothing radical), cold air intake, headers and hi-flow cats put down 535-540RWHP. That's exactly where I want to be.

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I wouldnt count on the LS7 being in the 5th gen. Its crazy expensive(hand built, ti rods and valves), cant be supercharged and remain durable(ti rods and cast pistons) and is only scheduled for production until 2009. The LS3 is the new 6.2L 430hp base Vette engine(2008, comes out in just a few weeks) and this engine when supercharged(often called LS9) is what is expected to be the 600+hp Killer Vette engine. I would expect a higher output NA LS3 or a lower output supercharged LS9 to be the top Camaro engine.
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HMMMMM

the LS7 is a killer idea but that could also be a big killer to the wallet. how much do you think it would drive up the price. if it goes too high then why not buy a corvette if they can give you an LS7 for a Camaro price then i'm game this could have been discussed earlier but i didn't read thru this.

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