Sequential Turn Signals?

[Captain Awesome]

Not long ago on this very forum we were having a discussion about the afterburner tail lamps and how to make the Camaro more advanced in the lighting department and I proposed using sequential turn signals like on the old 1969 Mercury Cougar.

Someone here linked to a bunch of laws and safety regs online that pretty clearly showed that these types of lights were illegal and you could not use them or put them on as aftermarket components without breaking the law.

Now I read that the 2010 Mustang has them as standard equipment? How can they put illegal sequential turn signals on this car?

Does that mean someone can retrofit them on the Camaro legally now?

[theholycow]

Interesting...

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/17/l...ally-unveiled/

The tail-lamps, which still feature the traditional three bar look, have been re-shaped and now feature sequential turn signals. When the turn signals are on, the three lamps light in sequence from the innermost to the outer.

[zebra]

i don't see how sequential lights can be illegal. even some of the new semi trucks, school buses, & fire trucks have the animated arrow LED turn signals. how is that any different?

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by zebra

i don't see how sequential lights can be illegal. even some of the new semi trucks, school buses, & fire trucks have the animated arrow LED turn signals. how is that any different?

Someone quoted the DOT regulation to me on this forum. It was pretty clear.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Someone quoted the DOT regulation to me on this forum. It was pretty clear.

Here's the quote you're probably talking about:

Originally Posted by cannondalerider

Unfortunately, sequentials are illegal, however there are aftermarket companies that make kits to do it. They were outlawed in the early 70's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Turn_signals

Actually, this is the part about sequential turn signals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_si...l_turn_signals

U.S. Federal and Canadian motor vehicle safety standards currently prohibit sequential turn signals. However, Federal standards do not apply to vehicles in use, and so extension of this prohibition to vehicles in use is left as a matter of choice for each state or province. Sequential turn signals are sometimes used on emergency vehicles.

[theholycow]

Ok, found the federal standards document...
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...cfr571.108.htm

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by theholycow

Here's the quote you're probably talking about:



Actually, this is the part about sequential turn signals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_si...l_turn_signals

I read thru the FMVSS and didn't see anything about sequential signals. Someone else want to read it?

Wikipedia is ok, but, it can be outdated or just...wrong. FMVSS does require 2 rear signals, one on each outermost corner blabla

[TJ91]

I dont see why it should be illegal, but it sure does look great, i juat want some afterburner tailights to come out...Aftermarket shall be my best friend

[radz28]

I'd like to see if someone can come up with some LED Afterburners or something. I think that would be at least as good as sequentials, IMVHO.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

I read thru the FMVSS and didn't see anything about sequential signals. Someone else want to read it?

The closest I could find was this:
S5.5.10 The wiring requirements for lighting equipment in use are:
(a) Turn signal lamps, hazard warning signal lamps, and school bus
warning lamps shall be wired to flash;
(b) Headlamps and side marker lamps may be wired to flash for
signaling purposes;
(c) A motorcycle headlamp may be wired to allow either its upper
beam or its lower beam, but not both, to modulate from a higher
intensity to a lower intensity in accordance with section S5.6;
(d) All other lamps shall be wired to be steady-burning.

That specifies that they must flash, but doesn't specify that they can't flash sequentially if there's more than one arranged linearly.

[TomServo]

Corvette guys have been modding theirs for years now.

http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...6&dept_id=1384

[Camaro_Corvette]

I would have never imagined that those would be illegal. They really don't make a big enough difference for it to be a problem

[Black5thgen]

I don't want sequential signals, leave that to the pony boys. I wouldn't want them to get confused when they see my tailights, which will be very often.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Not long ago on this very forum we were having a discussion about the afterburner tail lamps and how to make the Camaro more advanced in the lighting department and I proposed using sequential turn signals like on the old 1969 Mercury Cougar.

Someone here linked to a bunch of laws and safety regs online that pretty clearly showed that these types of lights were illegal and you could not use them or put them on as aftermarket components without breaking the law.

Now I read that the 2010 Mustang has them as standard equipment? How can they put illegal sequential turn signals on this car?

Does that mean someone can retrofit them on the Camaro legally now?

Man, one of the coolest things I remember from childhood is those Mercury Cougar tailamps.

And now Ford brings them back? Very clever move.

[SoFlaZ]

A few months ago I saw a mustang with them and they looked SWEET! The guy kept turning on his hazards to make them constantly sequence or whatever you want to call it.

[LSxJunkie]

This is why you always look for citations in Wikipedia articles. Clearly FoMoCo knows better than some punk who edits Wikipedia.

[TJ91]

Originally Posted by SoFlaZ

A few months ago I saw a mustang with them and they looked SWEET! The guy kept turning on his hazards to make them constantly sequence or whatever you want to call it.

Really? All he had to do was brake. Ohhh yeahhhh, does the 2010 do the sequential brake, im guessing that it has to, i know thats the case for the sequential tail lights for the 05 up. but seeing as this is factory and not aftermarket, it could be three solid 3 lights instantly, looks nice when it goes 123 solid.

[Brokinarrow]

This could be one of those laws that they made a while ago and everyone forgot about and thus no longer cares to enforce. It happens every now n then.

[zebra]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

This could be one of those laws that they made a while ago and everyone forgot about and thus no longer cares to enforce. It happens every now n then.

yeah... in Memphis, TN it's illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.

[SoFlaZ]

Originally Posted by TJ91

Really? All he had to do was brake. Ohhh yeahhhh, does the 2010 do the sequential brake, im guessing that it has to, i know thats the case for the sequential tail lights for the 05 up. but seeing as this is factory and not aftermarket, it could be three solid 3 lights instantly, looks nice when it goes 123 solid.

I know but he IS a mustang owner. But we were just cruising at 45 down a straight road so no real need to constantly brake.

[BADMAB]

I just posted this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...77#post1266477

Enjoy!

[Apex Paul]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

This is why you always look for citations in Wikipedia articles. Clearly FoMoCo knows better than some punk who edits Wikipedia.

I can't even remember the number of times that someone has tried to use information from wikipedia as "factual". The site is simply not a good source, because the sources are often unverified hearsay.

[Revo1]

The Mustang does indeed. Didn't realize that they were illegal :(

[Apex Paul]

Originally Posted by zebra

yeah... in Memphis, TN it's illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.

Seems reasonable. (slips into bulletproof vest and flame resistant suit)

*sorry ladies, I couldn't resist.

[HeavyD]

In Ontario the highway traffic act mentions nothing about sequential tail lights, as long as they indicated the turn desired and have all the proper intensity, blah blah.
No one has mentioned the 3rd brake light pulser that is a common mod too. In Ontario that would be illegal, as the act says the only light allowed to be "intermittent" are the 4-ways. Seriously, we all know there are cops out there that would pull you over just because they can. I'd hate to give them a reason.