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Old 08-29-2010, 08:18 PM   #1
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New 2011 SS observations

Picked up my new Camaro Wed afternoon. So far only 2 things I don't like about it.
1. AFM. It some times makes it seem as the engine is laboring, before it kicks back to 8 cylinders..
2. No spare tire.

A lot more power than the 98 Z28 I had. Fun to drive.

Still working through some of the electronic features.

Would like to be able to turn off the AFM. It may not be hurting anything but had I known how it worked, would have saved some $'s and went with the std trans. Thought about a chip, but don't want to affect the warranty.

The last 2 flats I've had, required a new tire so that BS in the trunk would be of little use! Got to wonder what was Government Motors thinking.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:33 PM   #2
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Maybe you should have bought a mustang, by the way, it's General Motors.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:04 PM   #3
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The last 2 flats I've had, required a new tire so that BS in the trunk would be of little use! Got a wonder what was Government Motors thinking.
kind of a d*** move there... oh and just call a flat bed, I'd never change my tire on the side of the road.
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Old 08-29-2010, 09:06 PM   #4
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Maybe you should have bought a mustang, by the way, it's General Motors.

They used to be.

PS:

Where the last tire self destructed, there was no cell service and no homes with in 15 miles.

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Old 08-29-2010, 09:06 PM   #5
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Maybe you should have bought a mustang, by the way, it's General Motors.
We can attribute many of the irritating flaws in the Camaro to unfettered government, so why not use a name that refelcts this?

No spare tire - Needed to save weight to make CAFE "regulations"
AFM - Needed to avoid guzzler tax imposed by regulation
Skip-Shift - Regulated by same guzzler tax
Thin/Chipping/Lumpy Paint - EPA regulations force use of inferior water based paints.

I could go on for pages...

Note that all of these flaws are caused by regulations and not actual LAWS that the people can have an affect on at the ballot box.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:18 PM   #6
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We can attribute many of the irritating flaws in the Camaro to unfettered government, so why not use a name that refelcts this?

No spare tire - Needed to save weight to make CAFE "regulations"
AFM - Needed to avoid guzzler tax imposed by regulation
Skip-Shift - Regulated by same guzzler tax
Thin/Chipping/Lumpy Paint - EPA regulations force use of inferior water based paints.

I could go on for pages...

Note that all of these flaws are caused by regulations and not actual LAWS that the people can have an affect on at the ballot box.

So all these regulations are only imposed on General Motors?
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:54 AM   #7
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So all these regulations are only imposed on General Motors?
Not at all. Have you priced a Charger or Challenger? They'll include the gas guzzler tax to your end bill. I think the Mustang meets the minimum MPG so they don't have to pay it either. As for paint, I don't see any more problems with GM than Ford or Dodge.
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you just bought a performances car and your wondering about a spare tire lol...

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Old 08-30-2010, 04:24 AM   #9
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They used to be.

PS:

Where the last tire self destructed, there was no cell service and no homes with in 15 miles.
we still ARE General Motors, i love how people BITCH PISS AND MOAN about the loans but you still buy our cars and trucks maybe you should of bought an import instead of domestic, btw its called onstar USE IT its free for 1 year
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Old 08-30-2010, 06:08 AM   #10
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we still ARE General Motors, i love how people BITCH PISS AND MOAN about the loans but you still buy our cars and trucks maybe you should of bought an import instead of domestic, btw its called onstar USE IT its free for 1 year
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Old 08-30-2010, 06:49 AM   #11
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Ford also sells cars with the power inflator and no spare tire, the Shelby GT500.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:35 AM   #12
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Not everybody will like AFM, you're right. But I be the majority of people appreciate the improved mileage. Not everybody likes the 20" wheels either, but most people appreciate the enhanced look that they give. You can't win em all. Overall General Motors did great on the car!
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cmore: If you can detect your AFM maybe you should tell your dealer to take a look at it.
I've had my A6 SS for a year now with 8,000 miles and I have never noticed it. Nothing labors or kicks in like you describe.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:50 AM   #14
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We can attribute many of the irritating flaws in the Camaro to unfettered government, so why not use a name that reflects this?

No spare tire - Needed to save weight to make CAFE "regulations"
AFM - Needed to avoid guzzler tax imposed by regulation
Skip-Shift - Regulated by same guzzler tax
Thin/Chipping/Lumpy Paint - EPA regulations force use of inferior water based paints.

I could go on for pages...

Note that all of these flaws are caused by regulations and not actual LAWS that the people can have an affect on at the ballot box.

I agree except about the paint!!!!the type of paint used is the same paint used for the Corvette and no paint chipping problem there!!!.....

Water based, base coat clearcoat...I believe paint problem is somewhere in the factory process...ie..prep.primer etc...Lets hope the get it rectified or the NEW/ OLD GM will be repainting a lot of Cars.


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Old 08-30-2010, 07:53 AM   #15
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They used to be.

PS:

Where the last tire self destructed, there was no cell service and no homes with in 15 miles.
If you special ordered your car for 150 you could have ordered the compact spare with jack & lug wrench!!!

Buy it thru the parts dept. if you are so worried!!!

Good Luck with your New SS.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:57 AM   #16
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If you special ordered your car for 150 you could have ordered the compact spare with jack & lug wrench!!!

Buy it thru the parts dept. if you are so worried!!!

Good Luck with your New SS.
Compact spare is not available on the SS....wont fit over the Brembo brakes.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:59 AM   #17
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If you special ordered your car for 150 you could have ordered the compact spare with jack & lug wrench!!!
Not on the SS (as I understand it). Is anyone making a little spare and jack that will fit between the brakes on an SS? I'd hate to miss a flight because I got a flat and had to w8 on OnStar to save me...
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Not on the SS (as I understand it). Is anyone making a little spare and jack that will fit between the brakes on an SS? I'd hate to miss a flight because I got a flat and had to w8 on OnStar to save me...
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Compact spare is not available on the SS....wont fit over the Brembo brakes.


Stand corrected boys!!!!
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:51 AM   #19
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Run flat tires.
I'm not sure I will get them, but i'm thinking about it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:57 AM   #20
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Not on the SS (as I understand it). Is anyone making a little spare and jack that will fit between the brakes on an SS? I'd hate to miss a flight because I got a flat and had to w8 on OnStar to save me...
You are parking your Camaro at an airport and you are worried about a flat? I'd suggest either a beater car with a spare for the airport trips or a shuttle.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:09 AM   #21
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You are parking your Camaro at an airport and you are worried about a flat? I'd suggest either a beater car with a spare for the airport trips or a shuttle.
Everybody says that but at DFW Remote, the manager put it to me like this: "This ain't a Wally World...everyone parked here has dropped at least $500 on airline tickets...24/7 camera coverage all over the lot...not a single group of punks ever hangs out here...park by a nice car and you'll be fine."

The last several flights, I've driven the Camaro over. Last time out, I parked between a cherry 2010 GT500 and a new Mini Cooper and there was another 2010 Camaro not 20 feet away. There were BMWs, Benz, Vettes, etc. all over the place. Not a scratch on my baby.

PS: I live about 130 miles West of DFW and my option is to leave my baby with my wife...she commutes 120 miles every day and really likes to drive my Camaro. And yea, I'm a little worried about missing a flight because of a flat.
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Will a full size spare fit in the trunk ?

Will this size Camaro aluminum rim and tire fit into the trunk if a driver wants to ride around with this back there???

P245/45ZR20 tire, on 20 x 8" rim, +35mm offset (front Camaro SS rim) (28 11/16" outside diameter by about 11.0" tall fully inflated)

If that fits in the trunk, then you can indeed drive around with a spare tire in your car. the outside diameter in the front and back match. (someone here should be able to verify if it fits into the trunk compartment.) As long as you don't mind all that extra weight in the back.
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:34 AM   #23
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Regardless of whether a full sized replacement will fit, you really need to consider carrying one for the front and one for the rear, if you're that worried about a flat.
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How about something generic that mounts to the thread pattern and lets you keep rolling at a reduced speed? Anything of the sort out there?
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The Twheel.

And with all the "defects" in the camaro still love it more then my last car, a hand me down ford ranger.
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