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Old 08-31-2010, 11:51 AM   #26
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Great info, Alfie! Thanks...
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:51 AM   #27
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every car sold and driven in the US, is serviced and maintained in the US by
US citizens. The folks who sold you the cars are most likely US citizens paying taxes like most of us. Like it or not, we all live in a global economy, try buying a TV or a toaster made strictly in the US......

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Interesting reading, one reporters take on why it is built where it is. Cliff notes = it's a union thing.

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The only thing I don't understand is why the guy bought a $33,000(and up) Hyundai Genisis if he was having hard times.

Why not an Impala or Malibu? They cost less too!
Heard about the Hyundai initiative that, if you're laid off, Hyundai makes the payments? To someone concerned about their employment, that is a BIG incentive...better than a few buck$ on the bumper! The guy credited with that idea? Joel Ewanick, now the guy in charge of GM marketing...

Alfie, I stopped to have lunch at a diner south of Davison MI a couple weeks ago (not far from Flint, not far from Pontiac/Metro Detroit). While sitting in the window, watching traffic go by on a busy 2-lane road (SR 15) I happened to count the vehicles going by...domestic vs. imports. Over 80% were Detroit 3...in the heartland of US auto manufacturing. I was frankly amazed! Now, if it was like that, everywhere else...

In California, it's just about REVERSED...
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I applaud everyone who bought a 2010 or 2011 Camaro because its an impractical car and these are very practical, hard times. Just imagine how many muscle cars would have been sold had this been a more impractical period, say 2006.

So bravo to all ! You helped the economy, and according to the OP, you did so very well.
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Alfie, I stopped to have lunch at a diner south of Davison MI a couple weeks ago (not far from Flint, not far from Pontiac/Metro Detroit). While sitting in the window, watching traffic go by on a busy 2-lane road (SR 15) I happened to count the vehicles going by...domestic vs. imports. Over 80% were Detroit 3...in the heartland of US auto manufacturing. I was frankly amazed! Now, if it was like that, everywhere else...
Over 80% were Detroit 3
Wow, your visual calculations are incredibly accurate. The actual figure of domestic auto sales for all of Michigan is 82%.

In California it's reversed.
Yes, I noticed that the last time I was in SoCal. Unbelievable! Talk about being amazed...Southern California; the birthplace of American Hot Rodding, muscle cars, drag racing, "Little Deuce Coupe", and "She's Real Fine My 409".
Beautiful area, but now its "Importland".

I just returned from Washington DC. The ratio of domestic/foreign looks like 5% domestic, 95% import, inside the Belt Way. However, as soon as we left town and headed east to Chesapeake Bay and the Delaware coast, the ratio seemed much more "normal"....maybe 60%- 70% Detroit 3.

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Buying American is great, but should not be a litmus test to determine one's patriotism.
I'm extremely conservative, and Love my home land. But that doesn't mean I think less of someone buying a Hyundai or a Honda is any less patriotic or loving of this great land of ours.

I'm extremely disappointed in GM right now, so if I buy from them, it will likely be used.
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade in here, but protectionism isn't the best course of action; if anything Japan itself has shown us that.
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade in here, but protectionism isn't the best course of action; if anything Japan itself has shown us that.
Educating and encouraging people about the benefits of purchasing american cars isn't an economic policy. This thread isn't about passing laws to force people to buy american, it's talking points and observations about why you should.
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Part of the "patriotism" pledge is that it's getting very difficult to conclusively say what exactly a "domestic" is...

Case in point: Most vehicles manufactured AND sold, in Canada, would be by whom?

Yup...Toyota/Lexus

And this is AFTER Canada/Ontario topped up GM with 17% of the "necessary funding"...
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Educating and encouraging people about the benefits of purchasing american cars isn't an economic policy. This thread isn't about passing laws to force people to buy american, it's talking points and observations about why you should.
Thank you. Yes, I thought I made it clear that my post wasn't about politics or patriotism, but I guess some people don't "listen" very well.
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Educating and encouraging people about the benefits of purchasing american cars isn't an economic policy. This thread isn't about passing laws to force people to buy american, it's talking points and observations about why you should.
Well, to an extent you should, but only if they deserve to have your business. I have no problem with being a nationalist, but the fervent nationalists are the ones who cause problems because of some misguided ideology of absolutism. Also, I'm not sure of discussing basic economics is allowed here, but there are differences between economically unviable jobs and jobs just for the hell of it.
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Oh ya, I know... I guess some people know everything there is to know about everything that can be known in the world (say that 3 times fast)... Met a few of them types in person over the years and plenty of em on the internet....

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To the OP... Nice post....
they are called trolls lol
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Buying an american car simply because it is american is counterproductive. If you consistently choose to purchase the product that better fits your needs, and a company (such as GM or Ford) wants your business, they have to be competitive. If everyone is just buying American made cars in the US because they are made in The USA, quality suffers and in turn, global sales suffer. If they don't have to compete to make a buck, the unions take all they can get and less is put into the actual product. I bought a Japanese vehicle because there is nothing American-made even somewhat like it. Had there been, I may have bought it, but not if it isn't the better vehicle. It's not my fault the unions have totally raped our economy. When people with GED's working on an assembly line are making 50k a year + benefits, you are bound to fail. Life just doesn't work that way. The biggest reason we are having a job crisis is because people are spending way beyond their means. If you lose everything to the bank a month after you lose your job, you were living way beyond your means and frankly, you were asking for it. I'm sorry if that offends anyone here, but when people are buying cars that they won't be able to pay off for 15 years, it's no wonder our economy is such trash.
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American manufacturing needed a kick in the pants in the 70's. We were building junk and not even caring if it was junk because we had 85% market share. When the oil embargo hit and gas went up to a buck a gallon, people started to buy imports for the fuel economy. They stayed because of the quality. The Big 3 started to respond, but then got used to the new lower limit of market share and went back into cruise control. The 80's offerings let the import market explode, especially in the Luxery class, when people found out that Luxery could still be fun to drive. Ford and GM have made huge gains in quality and desireability, and hopefully the American car buyer will come back. The real question that faces consumers is if buying an American car will also help their bottom line. It is no longer the 60's where everyone knew someone that worked for the Big 3, people need to see what an economic multiplier buying from US automakers really means to their community. Unfortunatly, there are no longer the factories in every town in the US that there used to be.
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Buying an american car simply because it is american is counterproductive. If you consistently choose to purchase the product that better fits your needs, and a company (such as GM or Ford) wants your business, they have to be competitive. If everyone is just buying American made cars in the US because they are made in The USA, quality suffers and in turn, global sales suffer. If they don't have to compete to make a buck, the unions take all they can get and less is put into the actual product. I bought a Japanese vehicle because there is nothing American-made even somewhat like it. Had there been, I may have bought it, but not if it isn't the better vehicle. It's not my fault the unions have totally raped our economy. When people with GED's working on an assembly line are making 50k a year + benefits, you are bound to fail. Life just doesn't work that way. The biggest reason we are having a job crisis is because people are spending way beyond their means. If you lose everything to the bank a month after you lose your job, you were living way beyond your means and frankly, you were asking for it. I'm sorry if that offends anyone here, but when people are buying cars that they won't be able to pay off for 15 years, it's no wonder our economy is such trash.
I agree with you on the global economy bit and competition. And I totally agree with you on people living beyond their means, and I would suspect a great deal of camaro owners probably fall into that category. You know just because you can sign a piece of paper and walk away with a car doesnt mean you should, but thats why you see a lot of the cars already being turned in, and guess what the same thing is going to happen when the Z comes out.

I think you fail to realize a couple of things. For one there isnt fair trade between imports and exports between us and Japan or china and Im not just talking the QTY's im talking the actual rules and tariffs. Second off I think we do need to start buying American, there are American products out there that are better than imported goods. I'm all about competition and a global economy but I think the Government has allowed other nations to use us a stomping ground.
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I recently posted in a couple of threads that turned into discussions about our domestic cars (GM, Ford, Chrysler) vs foreign cars.

In one thread, the OP posted that he bought a Hyundai Genesis. He also stated that was struggling in the job market. I chided him about the irony of buying a car that is 100% Korean assembled with a 95% foreign made content. I said perhaps his employment picture, and for many other Americans, would be much improved if people like him bought less foreign cars. Of course, I got toasted for that. I was on vacation and couldn't access a computer to fully complete my position.

Before some of you jump in to remind me that the Camaro is made in Canada, read this entire post. Also, I'm not talking about patriotism. I'm not talking about restricting our free market choices. I am not anti-Asian; my father immigrated to this country from the Far-East. The quality gap is history, so that it is no longer part of the discussion. Again, my point is: It's about US JOBS.

As for our Canadian built Camaros; There is more to this story than where a car is assembled. It's about the US jobs that are created and maintained to produced a car regardless of where the final assembly takes place. It's about employment in the parts and components industry; the research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly of vehicle content.

GM, Ford and Chrysler employ far more Americans per car than the foreign companies, including the foreign implants that are assembled here. The numbers aren't even close. Here are some figures from the Levelfield Institute. They express their findings as number of jobs created per every 2500 cars produced.

"The JPC Rating (jobs per car) is calculated by dividing the total number of cars sold by an automaker in the U.S. by the company's U.S. workforce. It measures an automaker's contribution to job creation in all areasóresearch, design, engineering and managementónot just assembly jobs. From a simple mathematical perspective, the rating tells you how many U.S. workers a company employs for every 2,500 cars they sell.

For example, Ford employs 89 Americans for every 2,500 cars sold, followed by GM and Chrysler at 78 and 92 respectively. Honda ranks first among the major foreign automakers, but only with a score of 54 followed by Toyota, Nissan and Hyundai/Kia at 51, 38, and 26 respectively.

Why do we count jobs per 2,500 cards sold, rather than for each car sold? Doing so produces whole numbers, which are easier to compare. For example, each Hyundai car supports .01 jobs, while every 2500 cars support 26.

Because Ford, GM and Chrysler conduct far more of their research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly work in the U.S. than foreign automakers do, buying a Ford, GM, or Chrysler supports almost three times as many jobs as buying the average foreign automobile. Some comparisons are even more striking. Buying a Ford supports 3.5 times more jobs than buying a Hyundai.
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I also posted on the same thread you had concerning the Genesis, I didn't want to get into this debate then but you have brought up some good points. Basically, it's just better for the country when you support an American product, especially when the quality is there. I again will never buy a Korean car; it's just out of principal.
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I think that America is also missing the boat on import tarrifs. For instance, in Russia, where I presently live, you can pay up to 50% for importing a foreign made car!!!!!!!!!! That really doesn't help the Russian auto industry so much, as it does to give foreign maufacturers an incentive to manufacture inside of Russia. In any case, a lot of people are buying cars manufactured in Russia for the simple reason that they can't afford the imported cars. I'm all for competition, but not every country is playing fair. I also understand that being part of the WTO limits the USA's ability to do this sort of thing. It would be nice to somehow give the US industry some advantages in this day and age.

On a side note, customs duties make up 40% of Russia's revenue! How 'bout them apples!?

So, since BMW and MB make cars in the Southern US, I can buy one and still be patriotic? What do you think?
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I agree with you on the global economy bit and competition. And I totally agree with you on people living beyond their means, and I would suspect a great deal of camaro owners probably fall into that category. You know just because you can sign a piece of paper and walk away with a car doesnt mean you should, but thats why you see a lot of the cars already being turned in, and guess what the same thing is going to happen when the Z comes out.

I think you fail to realize a couple of things. For one there isnt fair trade between imports and exports between us and Japan or china and Im not just talking the QTY's im talking the actual rules and tariffs. Second off I think we do need to start buying American, there are American products out there that are better than imported goods. I'm all about competition and a global economy but I think the Government has allowed other nations to use us a stomping ground.
Excellent post. Also, we must include the health care issue into this discussion. Foreign manufacturers have a competitive advantage because they don't pay for employee health care. Japan, Korea, Germany all have a national health care system.

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I recently posted in a couple of threads that turned into discussions about our domestic cars (GM, Ford, Chrysler) vs foreign cars.

In one thread, the OP posted that he bought a Hyundai Genesis. He also stated that was struggling in the job market. I chided him about the irony of buying a car that is 100% Korean assembled with a 95% foreign made content. I said perhaps his employment picture, and for many other Americans, would be much improved if people like him bought less foreign cars. Of course, I got toasted for that. I was on vacation and couldn't access a computer to fully complete my position.

Before some of you jump in to remind me that the Camaro is made in Canada, read this entire post. Also, I'm not talking about patriotism. I'm not talking about restricting our free market choices. I am not anti-Asian; my father immigrated to this country from the Far-East. The quality gap is history, so that it is no longer part of the discussion. Again, my point is: It's about US JOBS.

As for our Canadian built Camaros; There is more to this story than where a car is assembled. It's about the US jobs that are created and maintained to produced a car regardless of where the final assembly takes place. It's about employment in the parts and components industry; the research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly of vehicle content.

GM, Ford and Chrysler employ far more Americans per car than the foreign companies, including the foreign implants that are assembled here. The numbers aren't even close. Here are some figures from the Levelfield Institute. They express their findings as number of jobs created per every 2500 cars produced.

"The JPC Rating (jobs per car) is calculated by dividing the total number of cars sold by an automaker in the U.S. by the company's U.S. workforce. It measures an automaker's contribution to job creation in all areasóresearch, design, engineering and managementónot just assembly jobs. From a simple mathematical perspective, the rating tells you how many U.S. workers a company employs for every 2,500 cars they sell.

For example, Ford employs 89 Americans for every 2,500 cars sold, followed by GM and Chrysler at 78 and 92 respectively. Honda ranks first among the major foreign automakers, but only with a score of 54 followed by Toyota, Nissan and Hyundai/Kia at 51, 38, and 26 respectively.

Why do we count jobs per 2,500 cards sold, rather than for each car sold? Doing so produces whole numbers, which are easier to compare. For example, each Hyundai car supports .01 jobs, while every 2500 cars support 26.

Because Ford, GM and Chrysler conduct far more of their research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly work in the U.S. than foreign automakers do, buying a Ford, GM, or Chrysler supports almost three times as many jobs as buying the average foreign automobile. Some comparisons are even more striking. Buying a Ford supports 3.5 times more jobs than buying a Hyundai.
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This is the kind of siloed nationalism that should have went the way of the dinosaur.

If everyone in the US bought US based cars things would not be any better in terms of the economy. The lagging economy is a much more complex subject which, if you care to open that can of worms we can, cannot be solved uni-directionally.

The money made from selling a foreign car goes to the dealership, correct? That money largely stays within the US borders. The profit from Nissan, as an example, selling the car to the dealership goes back to Japan. Japan in turn employs people both in Japan and in the US. Those in Japan purchase some goods from the US (largely manufactured items and food) which brings some money back to America.

The balance of imports vs. exports is called the trade balance. The US is at a deficit with most countries (Japan) but is at a surplus with others (very few) because our economy has moved from a majority manufacturing base to a majority service based. Services rendered are not captured in the trade deficit. This isn't a problem. The world thrives on services as much as it does manufacturing.

The reason the manufacturing jobs have left this country is due to a competitive advantage held by other countries. The people outside the US (largely first world countries in general) are willing to do the same manufacturing job that people used to do here... for less. So, economically, they have a competitive advantage that America can't match because of what people are willing to work for here. Concurrently, service jobs tend to be viewed as more sophisticated and more noble where as manufacturing is considered working class and kind of "last century". People try to move out of the plant and into a desk.

Given the movement of jobs abroad to countries with competitive advantages, those people that remain here with the manufacturing skill set are either going to have to take lower wages to get a job or learn a new skill set. It is a paradigm shift in the economy.

Now, why get so hot and bothered about where our stuff is made? Why shouldn't it be made in China, Japan, Canada, Mexico, where ever? As a people we cannot afford to be so nationalistic and try to do everything ourselves, it doesn't make sense. The reason it doesn't is because some countries will be better at some things than others.

Say Japan built the worlds best computers and they were affordable/reasonably priced. They lasted for several years and there were little mechanical difficulties. Should the US make them too just so we can provide for ourselves? No, we can't make them as well as Japan did. So why bother making an inferior product when a perfectly good one is already made? We can spend our time focused on something we do better than Japan. Now we have something to trade for. We get their computers and they get our... say... marketing expertise or finance expertise.

The global economy is emerging and we depend on everyone and they depend on us. To try to turn the clock back 150 years just so we could be "independent" is an ignorant way to think.

Where does most of the US debt come from? Foreigners. Where did the foreigners earn a great deal of their money? Selling shit to Americans.
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I agree with you on the global economy bit and competition. And I totally agree with you on people living beyond their means, and I would suspect a great deal of camaro owners probably fall into that category. You know just because you can sign a piece of paper and walk away with a car doesnt mean you should, but thats why you see a lot of the cars already being turned in, and guess what the same thing is going to happen when the Z comes out.

I think you fail to realize a couple of things. For one there isnt fair trade between imports and exports between us and Japan or china and Im not just talking the QTY's im talking the actual rules and tariffs. Second off I think we do need to start buying American, there are American products out there that are better than imported goods. I'm all about competition and a global economy but I think the Government has allowed other nations to use us a stomping ground.
American investors and American consumers are the ones reaping the benefits of the frankly pathetic excuse of an economic model that China is currently using. Their uncontrolled devaluation of the yuan is making them sell their products at a loss. People need to stop thinking of it as country vs. country but as individual vs. individual.
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This is the kind of siloed nationalism that should have went the way of the dinosaur.

If everyone in the US bought US based cars things would not be any better in terms of the economy. The lagging economy is a much more complex subject which, if you care to open that can of worms we can, cannot be solved uni-directionally.

The money made from selling a foreign car goes to the dealership, correct? That money largely stays within the US borders. The profit from Nissan, as an example, selling the car to the dealership goes back to Japan. Japan in turn employs people both in Japan and in the US. Those in Japan purchase some goods from the US (largely manufactured items and food) which brings some money back to America.

The balance of imports vs. exports is called the trade balance. The US is at a deficit with most countries (Japan) but is at a surplus with others (very few) because our economy has moved from a majority manufacturing base to a majority service based. Services rendered are not captured in the trade deficit. This isn't a problem. The world thrives on services as much as it does manufacturing.

The reason the manufacturing jobs have left this country is due to a competitive advantage held by other countries. The people outside the US (largely first world countries in general) are willing to do the same manufacturing job that people used to do here... for less. So, economically, they have a competitive advantage that America can't match because of what people are willing to work for here. Concurrently, service jobs tend to be viewed as more sophisticated and more noble where as manufacturing is considered working class and kind of "last century". People try to move out of the plant and into a desk.

Given the movement of jobs abroad to countries with competitive advantages, those people that remain here with the manufacturing skill set are either going to have to take lower wages to get a job or learn a new skill set. It is a paradigm shift in the economy.

Now, why get so hot and bothered about where our stuff is made? Why shouldn't it be made in China, Japan, Canada, Mexico, where ever? As a people we cannot afford to be so nationalistic and try to do everything ourselves, it doesn't make sense. The reason it doesn't is because some countries will be better at some things than others.

Say Japan built the worlds best computers and they were affordable/reasonably priced. They lasted for several years and there were little mechanical difficulties. Should the US make them too just so we can provide for ourselves? No, we can't make them as well as Japan did. So why bother making an inferior product when a perfectly good one is already made? We can spend our time focused on something we do better than Japan. Now we have something to trade for. We get their computers and they get our... say... marketing expertise or finance expertise.

The global economy is emerging and we depend on everyone and they depend on us. To try to turn the clock back 150 years just so we could be "independent" is an ignorant way to think.

Where does most of the US debt come from? Foreigners. Where did the foreigners earn a great deal of their money? Selling shit to Americans.
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Ok, here is the fundamental question. Macro economics says that the highest quality, lowest cost producer wins.

Is anyone in America willing to work for $40 per week?

I thought not. Therefore since America can never be (at least in my life time) competitive with China labor.........or Japanese and Chinese manipulated currency, what should we do?

Not for forcing the issue or protectionism, but the global economy will kick us in the pants until we either a) become so efficient that the costs are neurtalized or b) we let our labor rates drop significantly.

Germans buy German stuff made buy Germans. Walmart couldn't make it in Germany. When I was there a couple of years ago I asked why the Walmart was empty. "Closed.....Germans don't buy cheap stuff, they buy good stuff". It's just a mentality.

So good thread and good conversation.

And by the way, GM market share on the coasts drops to near 10% from the 40 plus % in the heartland. Explain that.............I can't.
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Ok, here is the fundamental question. Macro economics says that the highest quality, lowest cost producer wins.

Is anyone in America willing to work for $40 per week?

I thought not. Therefore since America can never be (at least in my life time) competitive with China labor.........or Japanese and Chinese manipulated currency, what should we do?

Not for forcing the issue or protectionism, but the global economy will kick us in the pants until we either a) become so efficient that the costs are neurtalized or b) we let our labor rates drop significantly.

Germans buy German stuff made buy Germans. Walmart couldn't make it in Germany. When I was there a couple of years ago I asked why the Walmart was empty. "Closed.....Germans don't buy cheap stuff, they buy good stuff". It's just a mentality.

So good thread and good conversation.

And by the way, GM market share on the coasts drops to near 10% from the 40 plus % in the heartland. Explain that.............I can't.
When looking at trade from the bird's eye view of macroeconomics it is easy to lose your way. The fact is that when China uses this form of protectionism they sell their goods at a loss. It's simply an illusion of prosperity, much like after WW2. However, this concept hurts the Chinese consumer and Chinese producer. It effectively robs the average Chinese citizen of his/her savings during the period of inflation that inevitably takes place. The producer is hurt because he is selling the same amount of product for less money. Any economic model, rather it's Keynesian, Capitalist, Socialist, Mercantile, etc. will tell you that losing money isn't the right way to run a business. However, it is in Mercantilism, Keynesianism, and Socialism that you'll find the concepts that are essentially ruining our economies.
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I recently posted in a couple of threads that turned into discussions about our domestic cars (GM, Ford, Chrysler) vs foreign cars.

In one thread, the OP posted that he bought a Hyundai Genesis. He also stated that was struggling in the job market. I chided him about the irony of buying a car that is 100% Korean assembled with a 95% foreign made content. I said perhaps his employment picture, and for many other Americans, would be much improved if people like him bought less foreign cars. Of course, I got toasted for that. I was on vacation and couldn't access a computer to fully complete my position.

Before some of you jump in to remind me that the Camaro is made in Canada, read this entire post. Also, I'm not talking about patriotism. I'm not talking about restricting our free market choices. I am not anti-Asian; my father immigrated to this country from the Far-East. The quality gap is history, so that it is no longer part of the discussion. Again, my point is: It's about US JOBS.

As for our Canadian built Camaros; There is more to this story than where a car is assembled. It's about the US jobs that are created and maintained to produced a car regardless of where the final assembly takes place. It's about employment in the parts and components industry; the research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly of vehicle content.

GM, Ford and Chrysler employ far more Americans per car than the foreign companies, including the foreign implants that are assembled here. The numbers aren't even close. Here are some figures from the Levelfield Institute. They express their findings as number of jobs created per every 2500 cars produced.

"The JPC Rating (jobs per car) is calculated by dividing the total number of cars sold by an automaker in the U.S. by the company's U.S. workforce. It measures an automaker's contribution to job creation in all areasóresearch, design, engineering and managementónot just assembly jobs. From a simple mathematical perspective, the rating tells you how many U.S. workers a company employs for every 2,500 cars they sell.

For example, Ford employs 89 Americans for every 2,500 cars sold, followed by GM and Chrysler at 78 and 92 respectively. Honda ranks first among the major foreign automakers, but only with a score of 54 followed by Toyota, Nissan and Hyundai/Kia at 51, 38, and 26 respectively.

Why do we count jobs per 2,500 cards sold, rather than for each car sold? Doing so produces whole numbers, which are easier to compare. For example, each Hyundai car supports .01 jobs, while every 2500 cars support 26.

Because Ford, GM and Chrysler conduct far more of their research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly work in the U.S. than foreign automakers do, buying a Ford, GM, or Chrysler supports almost three times as many jobs as buying the average foreign automobile. Some comparisons are even more striking. Buying a Ford supports 3.5 times more jobs than buying a Hyundai.
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