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Old 09-07-2010, 04:55 AM   #1
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V6 Suspension Upgrades

Im looking to upgrade the suspension in my v6 camaro, but I am not seeing much of any parts. Does anyone manufacture a strut tower brace for the V6? Also, does anyone know if the Hotchkis sway bars and endlinks work on the V6, i want to make sure before I drop a grand on this stuff. When I searched this section, I could not find much info in regards to v6 upgrades specifically.

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Old 09-07-2010, 07:46 AM   #2
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just talk to justice pete in pedders he has all the answers you might need
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Old 09-07-2010, 08:24 AM   #3
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Im looking to upgrade the suspension in my v6 camaro, but I am not seeing much of any parts. Does anyone manufacture a strut tower brace for the V6? Also, does anyone know if the Hotchkis sway bars and endlinks work on the V6, i want to make sure before I drop a grand on this stuff. When I searched this section, I could not find much info in regards to v6 upgrades specifically.

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After market V6 and V8 Camaro suspensions are all the same. Same for strut tower brace.
http://www.pfadtracing.com/catalog/i...d11a3823d9f081
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Old 09-07-2010, 08:48 AM   #4
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One other thing, I don`t know to what extent you plan on modding your suspension but if your doing serious suspension mods and you don`t replace the stock rubber suspension bushings with polyurethane bushings, then eveything else is just a waste of time and money.

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Old 09-07-2010, 02:34 PM   #5
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As MickSS posted above, all of the suspension products are interchangeable, however the strut tower brace may or may not be depending on the manufacturer. For instance, our Strut Tower Brace will not clear the rear manifold hump on the V6 models but it clears the V8's. The cars themselves are the same, it's the motor that creates the interference problem.

As for suspension recommendations, swaybars are a great first mod. They will definitely give you immediate results that you can feel. $1k, however seems like way too much for swaybars. If you are dead set on Hotchkis, that's fine, they are quality bars, but if you are looking for a better value we sell our tubular adjustable swaybar kit for much less. You could actually upgrade most of the bushings, swaybars, AND buy other components for $1k and have much more product for your money.



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Old 09-07-2010, 04:23 PM   #6
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Thanks BMR Guy, do you guys plan on making a strut tower brace for the V6? Sidenote, the 1k includes the front and rear endlinks. However, I was also looking at BMR, I do like your stuff and have heard good things, plus you do offer a lot for the money.

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Old 09-07-2010, 06:59 PM   #7
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Im looking to upgrade the suspension in my v6 camaro, but I am not seeing much of any parts. Does anyone manufacture a strut tower brace for the V6? Also, does anyone know if the Hotchkis sway bars and endlinks work on the V6, i want to make sure before I drop a grand on this stuff. When I searched this section, I could not find much info in regards to v6 upgrades specifically.

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You should take a look at this thread to determine the need for any form of chassis braces on the 5th Gen Camaro. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103552

You show only 24 posts, but that is not always indicative of how much time a person has spent on the forums. There is a thread on the 5th Gen Camaro Suspension that is absolutely brilliantly written called The Book I may be a bit biased on that as I did write it

You are correct when you say you want to be sure BEFORE you spend you money. Reading through The Book is a great place to start. The key for your six cylinder is to remember that the six is a better balanced vehicle than the 8 and will respond to all suspension modifications BETTER than the 8. If it were my car I would absolutely start with rear sub-frame bush inserts to control rear-end step out. Those rear IRS sub-frame bushes are the foundation of all other suspension modifications. Check out the threads and we can discuss it further.
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Old 09-07-2010, 08:15 PM   #8
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You should take a look at this thread to determine the need for any form of chassis braces on the 5th Gen Camaro. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103552
While that information is impressive, real world testing like what is seen in this video demonstrates there is still room for improvement.

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What is there to improve on? Not a single driver we have used in or testing our track days has EVER asked for the 5th Gen Camaro to have more structure or triangulation and that includes Paul Tracy driving the Pedders Camaro at the Optima Street Car Challenge. Optima Video The Pedders Camaro is out running race cars on a highly technical road course that would expose any chassis weakness. The results speak for themselves.



The posted Pedders Camaro lap time is almost a year old. When we ran the Camaro in the Supercar Shootout it was faster. How fast? faster than any of the Pro-Touring Cars that ran the same track in the same weather conditions this summer including those that were purpose built by performance companies.



Pedders does believe in chassis braces for vehicles that benefit from them. The 2005 on Mustang is a classic example. UNLIKE the 5th Gen Camaro that has a front sub-frame with six bolts and two locating pins, the Mustang has only four bolts and the sub-frame ends before the front sway bar mount. This allows the sway bar and sub-frame to move some what independently of each other. Adding a triangulated chassis brace to tie them together makes a noticeable difference.



GM went out of their way to make it difficult to mount a strut tower bar because they wanted to make a statement about the structural integrity of the 5th Gen Camaro. GM installed the 'chassi braces' as the ZETA II 5th Gen Camaro is assembled.










If I were starting with a body in white 5th Gen to purpose build a race car I would absolutely add triangulations to the structure and tie everything together with the cage -- BECAUSE IT IS A RACE CAR. In a street car, IMO there is no benefit to any chassis brace and believe we have proven it on track and documented it in videos.

Supercar Shootout Camaro Video

The 5th Gen Camaro benefits from GM's global engineering. It is more robust than the Pontiac GTO which was designed by Holden in Australia. There are thousands of GTOs with over 50K on the clock. You can visit the GTO forums and you will not find the owners complaining about creaks, rattles or groans. Take a 4th gen Camaro owner out in a GTO and they will rave about how solid it is regardless of the miles.

GM followed the GTO / Holden Commodore with the G8 / Holden Commodore on the ZETA chassis. The ZETA chasis is vastly superior to the GTO. Once again I suggest you visit the G8 forums to find there are no common complaints about the car developing rattles or squeaks.

The 5th Gen Camaro is ZETA II, designed by Chevrolet / Holden and an improvement in moncoque strength over the ZETA platform. There is no reason to conclude that the 5th Gen needs any additional structure to provide many years of QUIET service and little reason to project a performance gain by adding weight with chassis braces.
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:41 PM   #10
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yeah - but strut tower braces just look cool!

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What is there to improve on?
The Camaro chassis is an amazing piece of engineering, but it does flex. Period. Do I think a strut tower brace is one of the first things a Camaro owner should look at when upgrading their suspension? No. But to deny that flex exists in the face of clear evidence that it does is doing a disservice to our customers.
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i watched the video and you pounded on the car, and i saw about 2mm of flex, is 2mm of flex going to effect much i doubt it, show me a high end race car that doesnt have a bit of flex, from a kia to a ferrari im sure they all have a little something, its basic physics but how much does 2mm matter, FOR MY TASTE a strut bar is not that attractive on the car OTHERS WILL FEEL DIFFERENT. unless you are building a roadrace car i dont see the need for it on the street especially for the first things to be done for a suspension
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Strut tower bar not needed, Sub fram bushing inserts needed.
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