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Old 06-14-2007, 08:25 PM   #1
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radar and laser detector and jammers

I would like to know what everyone who has experiance with this please.?
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:20 AM   #2
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I have a whistler. It's been with me for about 10 years and is still running strong. Works with laser, radar, and lidar for a full 360'. I only use it on long road trips so it sits in the garage for the rest of the time.

AND ON THE FLIPSIDE...If you have a radar detector and are stopped by police for speeding, I will bet you money you get a ticket. The philosophy is simple. If you have a radar detector, you probably speed often....and you probably RARELY get caught. SO.....when you do get caught, you WILL be written a citation to make up for all those times you've gotten away. Now ask me how I know this...
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:22 AM   #3
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How many tickets have you written for radar jammers?

And aren't detectors legal, but jammers illegal?
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:55 AM   #4
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I've never had the occassion to come across a "jammer."

Radar detectors are legal in most states and it is my understanding that jammers are illegal. But...I'm not sure on how the jammer law applies to my state.

I don't write many speeding tickets at all. 99% of the time I write speeding tickets is when I work school zones. Believe me...I don't play around with school zones and the lives of our children. I don't care what time you thought it was. I don't care what kind of hurry you are in. I don't care that no kids were present when you sped through. I don't care that you are from out of town and didn't know that there was a school zone. I don't care that you were...bla, bla, bla. I DON'T CARE. First off, you should be paying attention to your driving. There are signs for schools everywhere, signs posted for the speed limit, signs posted for kids crossing, stripes painted on the ground, big buildings with "school" written on the side, yellow busses parked along the street or in the parking lot, FLASHING YELLOW LIGHTS that warn you of the speed limit, etc. If you can't see flashing yellow lights, you are plain...$#@%*. Sorry for the ranting, folks. You now know something that gets on my nerves.

Back to the subject...if you have a radar detector (and depending on how fast you were going), and if I stop you (which means you were proabably going pretty fast), you will proabably get a ticket. For me, it all depends on how heavy/light the traffic is, the type and location of roadway (highway or side streets), and the attitude of the driver. To answer your question, I've proabably written 75-80% of those I've stopped w/ radar detectors. Then, I write "RDU" on the back of the ticket telling the Judge that a "radar detector is in use."
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Old 06-15-2007, 09:27 AM   #5
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Good for you TAG, on the school zone thing. High Schools I don't much worry about - I'll be honest. but Elementaryand Middle Schools I definitly slow down, for all the reasons you have!

Radar detectors: I'm not familiar with them, how do they work? They sense a radar gun within a certain radius, and then they beep or something?
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:19 PM   #6
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A radar gun is a small Doppler radar used to detect the speed of objects. A radar gun does not return information regarding the object's position. It relies on the Doppler Effect applied to a radar beam to measure the speed of objects it is pointed at.

Radar guns may be hand-held or vehicle-mounted. They can be used as a tool in the regulation of traffic speed by law enforcement and also to measure speeds in sports.

Most of today's radar guns operate at X, K, Ka, and (in Europe) Ku bands. An alternative technology, LIDAR, uses pulsed laser light.

The radar gun was invented by Bryce K. Brown of Decatur Electronics in March 1954[1], and was first used in Chicago, Illinois by Patrollman Leonard Baldy in April 1954.

There are radar detectors on the market which can detect most police radar and laser systems. Conversely, in the spirit of electronic warfare, some police radars are equipped with detectors of operating radar detectors.


[edit] How radar guns work
Radar guns are, in their most simple form, radio transmitters and receivers. They send out a radio signal, then receive the same signal back as it bounces off the objects. However, the radar beam is different when it comes back and from that difference the radar gun can calculate vehicle speed.

A radar beam is similar to the beam of a flashlight as it spreads out as the distance from the signal origin increases. The signal then bounces off objects in the path of the beam and are reflected back to the gun. The gun uses the doppler effect to calculate the speed of the object in the beam's path.

All bands of radar work the same way; they simply operate on different frequencies. X band guns are becoming less common due to the fact the beam is strong and easily detectable. Also, most automatic doors utilize radio waves on X band and can possibly affect the readings of police radar. As a result K band and Ka band are most commonly used by police agencies.


[edit] Problems with radar guns
Although radar is an effective tool to acquire an object's speed, there are problems with it. Today's technology is relatively effective and error free so most inaccurate speed measurements are caused by the user.

For speed to be accurately calculated, the object whose speed is desired should be the only moving object in the beam of the radar. If this is not the case, as in a police officer monitoring speed on a stretch of busy road, more articulation is needed in testifying to a particular vehicle's speed. As such, most police officers are trained in the practice of visual estimation of speed, and the radar is thus used as a verification of the visual estimation. In addition, it is easy enough to testify that the vehicle in the offside lane was passing vehicles in the nearside lane, and is therefore the vehicle whose speed is showing on the readout as traveling above the posted limit. The angle in which the object is in relation to the radar source can also affect the reading. This includes angles on a horizontal and vertical plane. This is referred to as Cosine Error, but this effect generally causes the displayed speed to be lower than actual speed, in actuality benefitting the violator.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:37 PM   #7
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One thing most people don't think about, you can have the best Valentine1 in your vehicle, if you don't also imporove HOW you drive, it won't do you much good.

Smart driving along with a good detector is a good thing

Regarding jammers, That is attracting too much negative attention IMO. If you drive smart and have a good detector, that is all you really need
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Virginia gets none of the above, and it's a healthy fine to have one in the cabin where it can be accessible to a power source.

I'm finally over my desire to go faster than everyone else on the road. And realistically I've noticed that I don't get from point A to point B that much faster.

That being said, one of the most fun road trips ever was me in the Supra and my ex-roommate in his convertible 350Z hauling from Virginia Beach to Tampa, Florida to R&R at my old man's.

We were rarely in the double-digits, made the trip in about 10 hours. Was in boost most of the trip, targa off, radio up. I probably got 10 mpg that trip but it was fun!
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:41 PM   #9
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I was thinking about getting a CB radio for kicks and a detector for well...I would never use it to intentionally piss off the cops, just to allow myself the extra few miles an hour every once in a while
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:19 PM   #10
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I desire the adrenaline of racing but would only do it on a track. Might go a couple runs at stoplights or deserted roads, but that's it. I just want to know that IF I WANTED TO, I could show the ricer punk what the general ordered.

The detector would be for driving home at 3 am. I had a bad incident with a speed trap with what I thought was illegal but it's a long story and I don't wanna get into typing it out. I just want one in case I can't pick out the headlights (which I think I'm good at telling any car by headlight or taillights at night).

Or like the long trips down I-5.You want to set the cruise at 85 or higher because there's no one on the road and no wind, no changing scenery. Then you get hit by a radar ping and a ticket being the only car on the road. It hasn't happened to me, and I hope it never does, but I hate driving long starightaways alone and bored, being stuck at what seems like a snails pace.

P.S. I-5 runs down the central valley in CA and it's 70 speed limit the whole way. 2 lanes in either directions with a few business routes but open road for most of it.

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Old 06-16-2007, 11:57 AM   #11
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I have a CB for my long trips from VA to NY(the in-laws) and NH(my home state). Unfortunately, there is no place to stick my Wilson Little Wil mag-mount on my Trans Am other than the hood. I love getting the local "bear report" from the truckers and getting info on traffic and construction. I've never owned a radar detector, but I typically do not speed unless the road is open. When I do push it, I don't go fast enough where I can not react to different situations on the road. Like MerF though, my favorite long trip was for block leave last summer before my current deployment. I made it from VA to NH in about 10 hours flat, which is normally a 12-14 hour trip depending on traffic. I averaged about 95MPH the whole trip, anddidn't hit traffic once, even in NYC. It was like my own private Cannonball Run. I kept the tops on for the first half of the trip to save fuel, but I had to pull them off from NYC onward to enjoy that beautiful northern summer air. Once I get back I'll be making the trip again, but this time in the wife's Mustang which will be fresh out of the shop with an engine rebuild and full exhaust. It will be a good shakedown for the old horse. I guess for me it is not about getting there the fastest, but enjoying the drive. If the roads allow me to safely open it up, then I will, and I will gladly pay the price if I get caught.
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It would be nice not to be surprised though...
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Old 06-18-2007, 10:26 AM   #13
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so when cops are just driving down the road they're not using their radar? But they can still get you for speeding right? I rarely see cops just sitting there with the gun, they're allways driving cause i live by a jail and courthouse and stuff so...
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My boyfriend has a Peterbilt that he drives... The CB comes in very handy!
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:52 AM   #15
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so when cops are just driving down the road they're not using their radar? But they can still get you for speeding right? I rarely see cops just sitting there with the gun, they're allways driving cause i live by a jail and courthouse and stuff so...
Radar can be run both stationary and moving. The radar unit has functions for both, stationary and moving as well as front and back. Our traffic guys will do both. But, we also have sleeper Crown Vics in all colors. The SAPD logo is on the side of the car in hologram. It's actually kinda cool. You would never know it if you werent' looking for it. I actually passed a maroon SAPD traffic officer who pulled me over. Never even saw him.

Radar is extrememly reliable if you know how to use it. If there is a new officer using the unit, they need to sit down, try it out, and test it for a while. I've sat on the access and picked up speeders on the hwy thinking it was the guy on the access. If I wasn't sure, I didn't mess with it. I'm not going to stop someone for something I THOUGHT they could have been doing. I'm going to stop someone for something THEY ARE doing. That's what concerns me w/ new officers just learning on the radar.

It really only takes a couple hours to get a good feel about who is speeding. If you have ever sat on the side of the road for hours on end, you can actually start guessing peoples speeds. I'll sit there w/ the radar gun in a school zone. I won't put it out the window. I'll wait for someone who looks like they are speeding and then radar them. I can usually guess their speed. I'll radar them and usually it's almost on the nose. It just comes natural after sitting there w/ the gun hitting 100's of cars w/ the radar gun. But, I don't stop that many people anyway. I might write 3 tickets a month. Haven't had a one yet this month.
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Your the kind of officer I like... There should be more of you.
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Your the kind of officer I like... There should be more of you.
Ditto.

I've considered (and still am) becoming an officer for just that reason. I like helping people and just can't stand BAD drivers, which doesn't mean speeders...just people who can't obey the rules of the road that are common sense.

I mainly just like the idea of being in a position to do some good. It's just that it would be a considerable pay cut for me. :(
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Haha, yeah. I wish most of the officers around here were like you, Tag. One of my family members was pulled over for doing 33 in a 25... going downhill where you naturally pick up a little speed. I hate this town.

And for that reason I have a nice radar detector. I always drive with it on just to make sure I'm not doing 6 mph over when it goes off around here
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Oh and jammers cost way too much and don't really work. They can go bad over time and I don't beleive they block lasers and any of the newer radar signals (like Ka). They're not worth it. Just invest in a good radar detector and don't drive like a douche.

And some old jammers actually set off radar detectors. I was driving on a highway once and the only other car in sight was a 70's van going 55. The closer I got to it, the more my radar detector went off! So I slowly pulled up next to the car in case it somehow actually was a cop and there was some old guy with long hair and a tie-dye bandanna on. Our eyes met, I started laughing my ass off, and sped away. Now, imagine how surprised I would have been after that if that scooby-doo van actually was an undercover cop and pulled me over! Haha.
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Yeah! Oh, that's good. I wish i was there....."Hey, man...check out my jammer, man...cops won't catch me, man"

Btw, what's generally a good brand of detector? and what's the average range?
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Your the kind of officer I like... There should be more of you.
The only reason I haven't written any tickets this month is because there is no school and it's been too busy .................................................. . I'm kidding. I stop people for stupid stuff when they could have caused a major accident. Or those who seriously need a good talking to. I write way more warnings than tickets. I will write tickets every single time when I have to take an accident report and I've got certain blocks I need to fill in (such as is the registration current and if not, I will write it. Is the license expired, suspended, revoked, denied, etc=ticket or booked into jail, insurance? No? Car is towed and you get a ticket, etc.)

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Ditto.

I've considered (and still am) becoming an officer for just that reason. I like helping people and just can't stand BAD drivers, which doesn't mean speeders...just people who can't obey the rules of the road that are common sense.

I mainly just like the idea of being in a position to do some good. It's just that it would be a considerable pay cut for me. :(
There's no "job" like being a police officer. It is very satisfying to be able to call a complainant back that was just robbed and tell her/him that we caught the guy.... and can you come down to the station to try to pick them out of a lineup.

I had a lady crying over the phone two weeks ago that had her purse snatched from her (he pushed her down which was borderline robbery, but we still ran it theft from a person which is a state jail felony) and I caught the guy. He got a rental car, ran around town stealing ladies purses, probably broke into other cars, stole my ladies purse, was trying to use stolen credit cards to get quick cash, and was pretty much on a crime spree. My complainant got the LP of the rental car. I found out the rental car company was in my district. I ran by, they gave me the renters info. I found out, DUH...this guy is wanted on a parole violation (for three felonies), and the car is overdue (yeah...we have a winner, winner, winner).

The renters description matched that of our suspects perfectly. It was towards the end of the shift. I hung around and hid my patrol car. He showed up w/ a 2nd getaway vehicle and another driver. I waited until he drove the rental over the metal spikes on the ground and into the parking lot. I took him down and hooked him up. Sure as sh!t, it was him...matched the desc to a "T"...parole violation and all (we booked him on theft). The other driver was booked for warrants and drivers license violations. We found our original complainants purse, wallet, all her stuff. She was crying on the phone she was so happy and thankful. Oh, and we found wallets and purses belonging to other people as well. All in all, it was a pretty good bust.

Things like this are so gratifying. I wouldn't give up this job for the world. I love everyday and ...well...just about every minute of it... And, as far as pay goes, my salary is going up and will be around $75K with overtime included in two years. It's not bad $ for me right now.
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Btw, what's generally a good brand of detector? and what's the average range?
Like everything, it depends what you want to spend. I have an Escort Passport 8500. I LOVE it. I'd recommend it to anyone. It costs around 300 dollars or so. And I know the Valentine One radar detector is supposed to be REALLY good, too (thought equally as pricey). If you want to go all out, get the Escort Passport 9500i. Read about it. It's wicked. It even tells you the direction it's detecting from! I want one!

Ranges vary depending on the detector and environment. In an open area like a highway or something, you can get a couple miles out of it. Where I live (Chicago suburbs), they had one of those things set up on the side of the road that tells you your speed. I counted 9/10ths of a mile away when i started detecting it with mine.
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I only meant that you're a GOOD cop, not a sleezy, I'm-in-control cop...there are too many out there. It doesn't matter how many tickets you write to me.
To be a police officer would be fun, I think. I know a few of the "good" ones down at our town's station, and one of my friends is becoming an officer. Good crowd.

Ahh...money. no that's not bad at all. I'm becoming a technology teacher. starting around 34,000...not bad for starting. and I get my summers off . I think that too much money is a bad thing. It corrupts easily, like a disease...the more you have the worse off you are. I want a decent salary that allows me not to worry about bills or 'surprises'. I don't want to be rich.

Whoa!! Off topic, sorry...
So, about those jammers and detectors
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I don't know if I'm going with the Valentine One or get an Escort. Hmm...

But you know what really irritates me? Seeing police officers who are supposed to be, "law enforcers", breaking the law they’re supposed to enforce. I always see cops speeding for no good reason. Now, I know they're not going to any emergency, and here's the reason I know that…

-You're doing the posted speed limit which we'll say is 45. Just then, you notice in your rear view mirror that an officer is approaching in the next lane at about 50-55mph. Now, this person is clearly breaking a law they gave an oath to protect, but that's not the first thing you think. The first thing you might think is, "man, I sure hope they catch whoever they're after", or “I hope they get to that crime scene in enough time.”

But just then, you see them stop at a traffic signal. Okay, now you're confused. Why don’t they have their lights on and blow through? They’re just… sitting there, waiting for the light to turn green… Is this what they do in an emergency? Not hardly. So the light changes and everyone’s off again. You reach the posted speed limit but the cop continues to pull away.

I followed one, one day and they ended up in a drive-thru.

So why do good cops go bad? Hmm, maybe it’s because they’re not worried about anyone writing them a citation. A sort of, “perceived immunity” to the law is my guess. But what happens if the average citizen does that? Well, down here in Florida you pay a hefty $180+ ticket.
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To answer your question lawfully, the law specifically states that traffic law does NOT apply to emergency vehicles. It does not say anything about, "when in an emergency, the emergency vehicle can speed in excess amount over the limit." It states emergency vehicles are exempt.

NOW...I would say that most, if not all, jurisdictions have their own rules and regulations. This means that even though the law allows it, the dept says you can only run code under these circumstances....code 1 = normal driving. code 2= lights, siren, and only 10mph over the limit. code 3 = lights, siren, and 20mph over the limit. In the real world it is different. I'd love to tell you how it is, but wouldn't want to get in any situation by posting it up here.


Officer in trouble means you go balls to the wall. You still be careful because what good are you to the officer in trouble if you don't get there at all. Shooting, cuttings, robberies, etc. you go code3 to try to get the bad guy, preserve crime scene, protect individuals, get witnesses, etc, etc, etc.

There's so much that comes into play when running code. Someone could be running quite fast on the hwy today going to a shooting. They might not run lights or siren because traffic is light and it is easy to get around the few cars on the road. BUT, you have no idea just how many people out there don't know what the hell to do when red and blues are in their mirror. They want to hit the brakes first.....uh.....no. They want to pull over to the left shoulder.......uh.......no. They go crazy. There's a lot of times we should run code, but it isn't safe due to the high volume of traffic on the roads. It's very much a judgement call. You want to get home safe. We want you to get home safe. We don't want you to hit us and we sure as hell don't want to hit you. One thing I remember all the time is that when I'm in my police car, pretty much all eyes are on me.....which is the way it goes.

Now, speeding to get to a drive through? Hmmmmm....
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