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Old 09-12-2010, 07:33 PM   #1
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v6 horsepower increase

ok besides the typical exhuast, headers and intake.... is there anything us V6 guys can bolt on or get to increase our horsepower and torque. besides dropping 5 or 6 grand on a STS turbo? The V8's have Cam's, and Port and Polish, intake manifold, things like that.... do we have any other options as V6 owners?????
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Old 09-12-2010, 07:34 PM   #2
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i realize that the V8 is a push rod V8 and ours is a DOHC but still... do we have other options for the engine besides an STS turbo, exhuast, headers, and intake?
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I gotta say that I specifically bought my V6 because I wanted to use it as a commuter car.. with good MPGs. Already having 3 GM v8s was good enuff for me.

I have spent about $700 on Injen and Flowmasters.. and I'm good, but not even remotely close in HP to the SS

Point is.. why are so many of U buying the V6.. when U obviously want SS power?? It was only about $4K more and U could mod the hell outta an LS3 engine.

To answer your question tho... The 3.6L is pretty locked up. Exhaust, CAI, and Turbos are all that I kno of to get U more power.
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:10 AM   #4
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You didn't say tune. So you can do that if you don't care about a warranty. I think that would pretty much be it.

The SS was $7,000 more.

I bought the V6 as a daily driver, and I love putting the exhaust and intake stuff on. But I agree. In general, too many people are asking too much out of the V6. I think Chevy spoiled us with the 312 HP. If it only had 200 horses, I don't think people would be expecting too much.
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You didn't say tune. So you can do that if you don't care about a warranty. I think that would pretty much be it.

The SS was $7,000 more.

I bought the V6 as a daily driver, and I love putting the exhaust and intake stuff on. But I agree. In general, too many people are asking too much out of the V6. I think Chevy spoiled us with the 312 HP. If it only had 200 horses, I don't think people would be expecting too much.



What TUNE??? As far as my knowledge goes.. the ECM is pretty locked up in the 3.6L
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:05 AM   #6
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3.55 gears for more torque? I hear 3.73 is coming for the V6... good for a lot of torque. Which is what i want. lol. You can also get a Nitrous Setup for quite cheap... if you want those quick boosts
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What TUNE??? As far as my knowledge goes.. the ECM is pretty locked up in the 3.6L
It's locked up for handheld tuners. Not for Trifecta, apparently, though.

Here is a thread on it:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...+trifecta+tune

Here is Trifecta's website:

http://trifectaperformance.com/

And here is their dyno, with pretty good reults:

http://www.trifectaperformance.com/D...aroLLTDyno.jpg
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:15 AM   #8
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Gears only for the M6s. No heads out there yet. One guy here named BMWDON is in process of installing mod heads that he had done but no results reported. Other than nitrous which is obviously not a full time increase, there is nothing more out there right now. Not a huge market for domestic V6 performance enhancement kinda keeps us on the back burner.
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Looking at a october install on the heads, just enough time to make sure the challenger is rock solid on the new engine and if I feel it's reliable, it'll be heads and trifecta tune time.
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:55 AM   #10
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It's locked up for handheld tuners. Not for Trifecta, apparently, though.

Here is a thread on it:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...+trifecta+tune

Here is Trifecta's website:

http://trifectaperformance.com/

And here is their dyno, with pretty good reults:

http://www.trifectaperformance.com/D...aroLLTDyno.jpg
I hadn't seen trfecta's tune dyno results. I wonder what they did different for their dyno than everyone else has been doing because people haven't seen those huge increases from the tune. I'm hoping he's tweaking it a little more and not leaning it out too much. This does look good, though.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:19 AM   #11
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The big selling point for the V-6 was the (is the) MPG that is attained with the power that is made.When you consider that this motor makes 1.43 HP
per cubic inch that's a respectable accomplishment.That's like having a
430 HP 302 back in '69. I'm hoping for some intake manifold options in the future and camshaft options.Until then I'll be happy with doing whatever is available.
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cams are going to be money, mainly because we've got 4 to work with. I couldn't imagine they would create a intake side or exhaust side only, they would likely have to do 4 and that will make the mod an expensive one. If they increase lift much, more than likely you would need a beefier set of valve springs, which only adds to the cost of it all. So a set of cams/springs will probably set you back $1300-1500, then add in install costs, and the gains would probably only be 25-35hp crank max. Now add those ontop of ported heads, maybe even bigger valves if you could ever find a set that would fit and work right, you are looking at a much better air mover, but it'll be close to 3K worth of hardware not including labor, and not as much gain as a bolt on s/c or turbo. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another. I'm up for more power, but at a reasonable price to me.
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3.55 gears available for the automatics, but no real data on how much of a performance increase going to 3.55 gives. But if you have a manual, you have many other gear options available......probably end up being one of the best TQ/dollar mods available.
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gears and nos will be your best bang for the buck mods probably, otherwise, it's going to be money to get these V6's really fast.
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gears and nos will be your best bang for the buck mods probably, otherwise, it's going to be money to get these V6's really fast.
Yep...MONEY is the keyword lol.

Otherwise, I'm fairly convinced that 1,500 to 2 grand can get you a V6 with consistent times in the 13s, or maybe very low 14s. (with resonable DA!!)

How?

CAI, gears, exhaust. Done.

Of course...NOS will do it too if your wanting the power on the strip only and not usable on the street, but I think most of us want it on the street too
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pphfhhtthth....like nobody runs nos on the streets that is one expensive habit!
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pphfhhtthth....like nobody runs nos on the streets that is one expensive habit!
I know of tons of people running NOS on the street its crazy and very expensive when you have to fill those bottles every few days....

but overal ya not much more to be gained without big money
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i boosted the power of my v6 back in January of 2009 by changing my order from 2LT to 2SS
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i boosted the power of my v6 back in January of 2009 by changing my order from 2LT to 2SS
LOL... nice mod =D

Well, Im waiting for 3.73 gears for the Auto V6... if they ever make them. =/ I'd probably more likely get a Turbo system before I invest in cams and such. But that is years down the line, I won't even be thinking about it now lol.

Plus, forgive me for my junior knowledge, wouldn't a turbo charger require brand new headers, exhaust and intake? So whatever Im spending on right now, will have to be swapped anyways right? What about the tranny? need to upgrade a lot of internals to make the turbo worth the while right?

Man... DAMN YOU MONEY! LOL. I'm already taking a diet because I just purchased a Corsa Catback exhaust... moonlighting anyone?
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LOL... nice mod =D

Well, Im waiting for 3.73 gears for the Auto V6... if they ever make them. =/ I'd probably more likely get a Turbo system before I invest in cams and such. But that is years down the line, I won't even be thinking about it now lol.

Plus, forgive me for my junior knowledge, wouldn't a turbo charger require brand new headers, exhaust and intake? So whatever Im spending on right now, will have to be swapped anyways right? What about the tranny? need to upgrade a lot of internals to make the turbo worth the while right?

Man... DAMN YOU MONEY! LOL. I'm already taking a diet because I just purchased a Corsa Catback exhaust... moonlighting anyone?
From what I've read, sounds like the tranny is going to be ok on these. At least with the STS it has been.
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From what I've read, sounds like the tranny is going to be ok on these. At least with the STS it has been.
Oh thats great! I was really worried about that lol... I was calculating in my head all the costs to install the turbo lol... I think one of the big things I would be looking forward to if i got the Turbo, would be the BOV LOL... I love the sound it makes on my friends STI's @_@ WAHHHHHHHHHH~PSHHHHHHHH

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Oh thats great! I was really worried about that lol... I was calculating in my head all the costs to install the turbo lol... I think one of the big things I would be looking forward to if i got the Turbo, would be the BOV LOL... I love the sound it makes on my friends STI's @_@ WAHHHHHHHHHH~PSHHHHHHHH

LOL
From what Ivan is telling me, he's got something brewing that's gonna make the STS look like a child's toy Keep an ear to the ground for that.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105339
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Hmm, based on Ivan's report, 475 HP... at the rear wheels or crank? I had thought the STS turbo, eventhough it's a single, was producing somewhere near 505HP at crank and was producing 420rwhp? =O

I haven't been following Z's STS thread... but those are the numbers I remember when AAC was presenting the turbo kit =/
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cams are going to be money, mainly because we've got 4 to work with. I couldn't imagine they would create a intake side or exhaust side only, they would likely have to do 4 and that will make the mod an expensive one. If they increase lift much, more than likely you would need a beefier set of valve springs, which only adds to the cost of it all. So a set of cams/springs will probably set you back $1300-1500, then add in install costs, and the gains would probably only be 25-35hp crank max. Now add those ontop of ported heads, maybe even bigger valves if you could ever find a set that would fit and work right, you are looking at a much better air mover, but it'll be close to 3K worth of hardware not including labor, and not as much gain as a bolt on s/c or turbo. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another. I'm up for more power, but at a reasonable price to me.
I can understand your position on cost versus return,but being a fairly competent machinist,a better than average wrench turner,flow bench savvy (and have access)and my penchant for naturally aspirated motors
I think I can make it economical enough to enjoy the achievment of having done it myself.I DO wish I had a better handle on the "black box"
that's running this thing.If a forced induction tune was a piece of cake and the compressors were not made of gold,I'm sure I would jump in with both feet.
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From what I've read, sounds like the tranny is going to be ok on these. At least with the STS it has been.
From what I understand the transmission (Manual) is rated at 350 ft.lbs of torque but a heftier clutch would be nice.
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