Richmond 4.10's Incinerated! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Wacker · 09-13-2010, 04:41 PM

4k on the gears, professionally installed, stock tires, in 100 pieces! Are you kidding me? Working with the seller now, hopefully I don't have to wait 2 months for my refund from Richmond.

Supercharged SS · 09-13-2010, 04:53 PM

WTF! Making me glad I never did this but sorry for you. Hopefully they'll make it right.

franknbeans · 09-13-2010, 04:53 PM

this is such a common thread anymore it is ridiculous.

I was going to grab a set but there is no way in hell I would anymore. . . who would think Richmond and shit would be in the same sentence.

Raab_Himself · 09-13-2010, 05:09 PM

wow, crazy....how much power were you running?

franknbeans · 09-13-2010, 05:13 PM

there's guys on the board that destroyed their 410's on a stock motor.

POWERFREAK · 09-13-2010, 05:14 PM

what break-in procedure did you follow? was there ever any whine? any wheel hop? what were you doing when they blew?

Not trying to place any blame on you, just getting some facts because I have the gears too.

Wacker · 09-13-2010, 05:27 PM

Stock motor with CAI and tune. During the 1-2 shift they exploded. They were professionally installed and lubed to Richmond standards. No wine whatsoever and they were broke in correctly.

Wacker · 09-13-2010, 08:33 PM

I put it through the heat cycles recommended by the installer and a few guys on the forum. Light driving for 15 min four times with cooling in between. These are performance gears and should handle my power level with no problem. I was skeptical when I saw the sheer size difference in the gears. The stockers are way beefier. If I stay with an aftermarket gear, it will be no steeper than the 3.73. They seem to be comparable in size to the stockers.

Speed74SS · 09-13-2010, 08:50 PM

If you look at 3.70's, you may want to look at the LPE gears. They are made by the original equipment gear supplier and made to OE specs. I had mine micropolished also. I had them set up by RPM Transmission. I like them alot!!

camaro1 · 09-13-2010, 09:13 PM

un-real,, hopefully all goes well with the refund,, too many failures of these gears, has to be a manufacturing problem

franknbeans · 09-13-2010, 09:20 PM

do a thread search guys. . this has happened MANY times already.

Scourage · 09-13-2010, 11:47 PM

I'm about 4K on mine since install, so far no problems. Everytime I hear about a failure, I cringe and wonder when mine will go :(
I've been running with almost two qts of RP in the rear end, Pfadt's diff bushings and Spohn rear trailing arms and sway bar. Hopefully that is helping to keep things together.

blazzin1 · 09-14-2010, 08:34 AM

Man, I was seriously considering the 4.33's from Richmond, but after hearing this story....AGAIN and AGAIN....I think I'll wait until a different manufacturer comes out with some better gears. I'm not going to have anything installed in my car that I don't have total confidence in. Sorry this had to happen to you, but thank you for posting and letting the rest of us know....

SC2150 · 09-14-2010, 09:30 AM

We are no longer doing the gears due to just this. Every one has broken when doing hard launches. Not worth the hassel.

danhr · 09-14-2010, 09:42 AM

I think I'm starting to get paranoid about my 4.10's..... but so far... 15,000 miles, lots of spirited driving. mods in sig

SC2150 · 09-14-2010, 10:26 AM

We have only broken them at the drag strip, not on the street.

DocHolliday · 09-14-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

what break-in procedure did you follow?

Why do new gears require a "break-in" but the OEM gears do not? Thanks

POWERFREAK · 09-14-2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Why do new gears require a "break-in" but the OEM gears do not? Thanks

I don't know the science behind it, but they DO recommend a break-in proceedure, so I would think it'd be smart to follow it.

DocHolliday · 09-14-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

I don't know the science behind it, but the DO recommend a break-in proceedure, so I would think it'd be smart to follow it.

No doubt...I'm just interested in the science behind why it would be required.

jagan323 · 09-14-2010, 10:42 AM

Break in is mostly all about engine... not really about gears lol =D

Wacker · 09-14-2010, 10:56 AM

Putting any metal through multiple cycles of heat then cooling increases tensile strength. It's just like make making a sword in the old days. Swords were made to shatter not bend. The metal is changed at a molecular level when the correct process is applied. Maybe the stockers are treated before they leave the manufacturer.

2010 2-Tone · 09-14-2010, 11:05 AM

I have been debatting putting 4.10 gears for about 2 months. I am glad I didn't step up and do them yet. I will have to see some better results from Richmond before I install their product. Does anyone know if LPE or another company has 4.10's? Anyone else make 4.10's?

Wacker · 09-14-2010, 11:05 AM

I was getting 25mpg with my 4.10s and my tranny tune. I have been able to FULLY lock the converter in DOD mode.

mth35115 · 09-14-2010, 11:28 AM

If you follow the break-in for a new car, the rear gears get broken-in easy. But, if you don't break-in new gears, a lot of people will just hammer the gears first time out.

POWERFREAK · 09-14-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagan323

Break in is mostly all about engine... not really about gears lol =D

lol that you are wrong.

09-13-2010, 04:41 PM	#1
Wacker INTHECLOUDS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NM Posts: 916	Richmond 4.10's Incinerated! 4k on the gears, professionally installed, stock tires, in 100 pieces! Are you kidding me? Working with the seller now, hopefully I don't have to wait 2 months for my refund from Richmond. __________________ 2010 IOM 2SS/RS A6, Tuned by Me, ARH/NoCats, Borla Touring, Vararam CAI, G-Force 9" with 3.89's, Circle D 4500K, (Skinnies/Slicks, and Bogarts all around 24MPG 11.8 @ 115 1000 DA www.6l80tuning.com www.6l90tuning.com

09-13-2010, 04:53 PM	#2
Supercharged SS Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 8,426	WTF! Making me glad I never did this but sorry for you. Hopefully they'll make it right. __________________ 9.80 @ 139.73, 1.45 60', 2010 Jannetty Racing L99

09-13-2010, 04:53 PM	#3
franknbeans Whipped Drives: 2010 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh-ish - PA Posts: 3,695 View My Garage	this is such a common thread anymore it is ridiculous. I was going to grab a set but there is no way in hell I would anymore. . . who would think Richmond and shit would be in the same sentence. __________________ Magnaflow Cat back / ROTO-FAB Intake / Whipple Kit / RDP Tune. 580hp - 650Tq

09-13-2010, 05:13 PM	#5
franknbeans Whipped Drives: 2010 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh-ish - PA Posts: 3,695 View My Garage	there's guys on the board that destroyed their 410's on a stock motor. __________________ Magnaflow Cat back / ROTO-FAB Intake / Whipple Kit / RDP Tune. 580hp - 650Tq

09-13-2010, 05:14 PM	#6
POWERFREAK I.AM. Drives: 2010 2SS/RS/M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2,150	what break-in procedure did you follow? was there ever any whine? any wheel hop? what were you doing when they blew? Not trying to place any blame on you, just getting some facts because I have the gears too. __________________ 2010 R6P-2SS/RS/LS3 - IBM w/ silver rally stripes / UNDER CONSTRUCTION. NY5thgen.com

09-13-2010, 05:09 PM	#4
Raab_Himself Drives: v6 manual n shit' Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 50	wow, crazy....how much power were you running?

09-13-2010, 05:27 PM	#7
Wacker INTHECLOUDS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NM Posts: 916	Stock motor with CAI and tune. During the 1-2 shift they exploded. They were professionally installed and lubed to Richmond standards. No wine whatsoever and they were broke in correctly. __________________ 2010 IOM 2SS/RS A6, Tuned by Me, ARH/NoCats, Borla Touring, Vararam CAI, G-Force 9" with 3.89's, Circle D 4500K, (Skinnies/Slicks, and Bogarts all around 24MPG 11.8 @ 115 1000 DA www.6l80tuning.com www.6l90tuning.com

09-13-2010, 08:33 PM	#8
Wacker INTHECLOUDS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NM Posts: 916	I put it through the heat cycles recommended by the installer and a few guys on the forum. Light driving for 15 min four times with cooling in between. These are performance gears and should handle my power level with no problem. I was skeptical when I saw the sheer size difference in the gears. The stockers are way beefier. If I stay with an aftermarket gear, it will be no steeper than the 3.73. They seem to be comparable in size to the stockers. __________________ 2010 IOM 2SS/RS A6, Tuned by Me, ARH/NoCats, Borla Touring, Vararam CAI, G-Force 9" with 3.89's, Circle D 4500K, (Skinnies/Slicks, and Bogarts all around 24MPG 11.8 @ 115 1000 DA www.6l80tuning.com www.6l90tuning.com

09-13-2010, 08:50 PM	#9
Speed74SS Drives: 2010 LPE 650+ CTS-V Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 1,639	If you look at 3.70's, you may want to look at the LPE gears. They are made by the original equipment gear supplier and made to OE specs. I had mine micropolished also. I had them set up by RPM Transmission. I like them alot!! __________________ '10 CTS-V : LPE 650+ Package 587hp / 582tq 2.55 Upper / 8.6 Lower / ID850's / Kooks Longtubes / New Era CAI

09-13-2010, 09:13 PM	#10
camaro1 Drives: 550+RWHP 2010 camaro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 1,596	un-real,, hopefully all goes well with the refund,, too many failures of these gears, has to be a manufacturing problem __________________ 415ci stroker, TVS 2300 Magnacharger, cnc heads, cam, yank ss3200 converter, Kooks long tubes, Bwoody true cold air kit, ZL1 Pump, magnaflow 3" cat-back, lowering springs,BMR control arms and tie rod bars, 3.73 gears, diff mounts, RX can, ADM fuel controller

09-13-2010, 09:20 PM	#11
franknbeans Whipped Drives: 2010 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh-ish - PA Posts: 3,695 View My Garage	do a thread search guys. . this has happened MANY times already. __________________ Magnaflow Cat back / ROTO-FAB Intake / Whipple Kit / RDP Tune. 580hp - 650Tq

09-13-2010, 11:47 PM	#12
Scourage Syntax Error Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 457 View My Garage	I'm about 4K on mine since install, so far no problems. Everytime I hear about a failure, I cringe and wonder when mine will go :( I've been running with almost two qts of RP in the rear end, Pfadt's diff bushings and Spohn rear trailing arms and sway bar. Hopefully that is helping to keep things together.

09-14-2010, 08:34 AM	#13
blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: West Fargo, ND Posts: 3,285 View My Garage	Man, I was seriously considering the 4.33's from Richmond, but after hearing this story....AGAIN and AGAIN....I think I'll wait until a different manufacturer comes out with some better gears. I'm not going to have anything installed in my car that I don't have total confidence in. Sorry this had to happen to you, but thank you for posting and letting the rest of us know....

09-14-2010, 09:30 AM	#14
SC2150 Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 8,035	We are no longer doing the gears due to just this. Every one has broken when doing hard launches. Not worth the hassel.

09-14-2010, 09:42 AM	#15
danhr BAMF SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ford City, PA Posts: 2,061	I think I'm starting to get paranoid about my 4.10's..... but so far... 15,000 miles, lots of spirited driving. mods in sig __________________ Bragging about a car that you paid someone to pick the parts and install them for you, is like paying someone to bang your wife, and then bragging about the kid. "I'm sorry officer, no, I do not know why you pulled me over."

09-14-2010, 10:26 AM	#16
SC2150 Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 8,035	We have only broken them at the drag strip, not on the street.

09-14-2010, 10:42 AM	#20
jagan323 I have no life Drives: 06' Subaru STI, ex-Camaro V6 LLT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Top Gear Test Track Posts: 3,229	Break in is mostly all about engine... not really about gears lol =D __________________ List of Camaro DIY The Blog

09-14-2010, 10:56 AM	#21
Wacker INTHECLOUDS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NM Posts: 916	Putting any metal through multiple cycles of heat then cooling increases tensile strength. It's just like make making a sword in the old days. Swords were made to shatter not bend. The metal is changed at a molecular level when the correct process is applied. Maybe the stockers are treated before they leave the manufacturer. __________________ 2010 IOM 2SS/RS A6, Tuned by Me, ARH/NoCats, Borla Touring, Vararam CAI, G-Force 9" with 3.89's, Circle D 4500K, (Skinnies/Slicks, and Bogarts all around 24MPG 11.8 @ 115 1000 DA www.6l80tuning.com www.6l90tuning.com

09-14-2010, 11:05 AM	#22
2010 2-Tone Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Jennings, La. Posts: 2,293 View My Garage	I have been debatting putting 4.10 gears for about 2 months. I am glad I didn't step up and do them yet. I will have to see some better results from Richmond before I install their product. Does anyone know if LPE or another company has 4.10's? Anyone else make 4.10's? __________________ -Custom Stripes, Eibach Drop Springs -MagnaFlow 3" Catback with X pipe -ADM CAI-Street Version, SLP 160 T-Stat -Ragin Racin Custom Tune -Kooks LT Coated Headers, Heritage Grille -Barton Short Throw Shifter -Slotted & Dimpled Rotors -Powercoated Calipers by Mike -Hawk Ceramic Pads -Painted Roof -Painted Gills & Back Panel -3-M Clear Bra, AAC Plasma DRL's 404rwhp and 403tq

09-14-2010, 11:28 AM	#24
mth35115 Drives: 2010 Camaro rs/ss inferno orange Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 163	If you follow the break-in for a new car, the rear gears get broken-in easy. But, if you don't break-in new gears, a lot of people will just hammer the gears first time out. __________________ HOT ROD SS MTH35115

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