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Old 12-13-2008, 05:50 PM   #1
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Thief fee, AKA dealer fee!!

Hi All!!

Every dealer here in South FL, Say MSRP and then when you get there they all want the "THIEF FEE" aka $600 dealer fee. You guys paying MSRP are you paying the dealer fee?

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Old 12-13-2008, 05:52 PM   #2
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Nothing was mentioned about a dealer fee. If they try to charge it, I'll tell them to give my deposit back.
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:57 PM   #3
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I'm next door in Southwest Ranches. Wassup!

Dealer fees are additional profit, plain and simple.

The consensus is we have some of the weasliest dealers in the world down here.

I worked for Maroone, I can tell you - yuck!

Ed Morse Sawgrass - holy crap crooks

Lou Bachsnot - varied reports

Supermans got f'ed in Dade county.

All my future purchases of new cars will be done online.

You may want to check the Corvette Forum's Dealer Inventory thread.

They are all selling Camaros too. They "courtesy delivery" them to our local dealers.

Camaro Scotty and Team Lynn are doing this too, but I don't know their allocation situation.
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:01 PM   #4
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Hey 5!!

So far the LOWEST is Maroone, he only wants 599 fee, all the others want even more.

-bobby

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Old 12-13-2008, 06:08 PM   #5
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LOL - Maroone's the least weasily, huh?

If you want to pursue the local dealer route...

Get an emailed quote from an online dealer, email it to the local weasels, and say -

"I'm ready to place my order, here's my quote for a courtesy delivery, can you meet or beat this price?"

You could do it all by email, that way you have a record. Not that these weasels lie and cheat or anything.
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:14 PM   #6
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Funny part is I'm spending 38K+ whats 600 bucks? but "GeeZ" They don't make enough profit at MSRP.

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Old 12-13-2008, 06:28 PM   #7
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The way I figure it, they deserve about $1000 total to fill out some paperwork.

They think they should get much more. Shop around online.

fbod always says there's 4000 chevy dealers, don't feel trapped by your local ones.

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Old 12-13-2008, 07:18 PM   #8
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Hi All!!

Every dealer here in South FL, Say MSRP and then when you get there they all want the "THIEF FEE" aka $600 dealer fee. You guys paying MSRP are you paying the dealer fee?

-bobby
tell them flat out to take it off or you walk. GM already pays the dealers the $600 "dealer fee" which is actually a prep free like washing the car, removing the plastic, filling the tank, etc.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:55 PM   #9
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I'm next door in Southwest Ranches. Wassup


i guess i should've waved when i passed weston/sw ranches on my way to sawgrass mills today. piece of advise: do not go there on a saturday afternoon during xmas season
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:17 PM   #10
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Nothing was mentioned about a dealer fee. If they try to charge it, I'll tell them to give my deposit back.
Where did you end up going? I live right next to classic in Altamonte/Maitland but they tried to rape me on the silverado...

Heard anything about courtesy chevy?
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:22 PM   #11
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I went with Courtesy at the airport. They said nothing of any additional fees. "MSRP or Less with any applicable incentives." I called Classic/Holler and they wanted $2500 OVER MSRP I think it was. I laughed, told the salesperson they were morons, and hung up. The other Courtesy on colonial was also doing MSRP but wouldn't agree to accepting incentives if GM is honoring them.
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:37 PM   #12
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The paperwork fee is normally $50-100 bucks. Are you sure this is not destination fee? Which is how they pay for shipping on the train and truck.
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The paperwork fee is normally $50-100 bucks. Are you sure this is not destination fee? Which is how they pay for shipping on the train and truck.
Paperwork is included in the dealer prep fee which is paid for by GM. If you are paying for them to do the paperwork you're being ripped off.
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i guess i should've waved when i passed weston/sw ranches on my way to sawgrass mills today. piece of advise: do not go there on a saturday afternoon during xmas season
I think I saw you go by!

$1000 total deal is plenty of profit.

Ed Morse Weaselgrass negotiated through email with me on a new Corvette.

I emailed, I'm not paying any dealer fees, quote me total price.

They did. Took two months for car to come in. Guess what? Papaerwork fees of $549 magically appreared, and the price was not the one negotiated either.

Brought in printed emails, watched sales mgr jaw drop. What pure theives they are.

I sold cars at one time, and I know what is reasonable, fair, and legal.
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:55 PM   #15
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Funny part is I'm spending 38K+ whats 600 bucks? but Jesus They don't make enough profit at MSRP, what a bunch of pigs.

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What does Jesus have to do with this thread?
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:16 AM   #16
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There ya go Oldtimer, fixed just for you..
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:27 AM   #17
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The paperwork fee is normally $50-100 bucks. Are you sure this is not destination fee? Which is how they pay for shipping on the train and truck.
the MSRP you see, in most cases, has the destination charge included, so make sure they ain't charging you twice!

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There ya go Oldtimer, fixed just for you..
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:32 AM   #18
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I can't speak for the other 49 states, but in Wisconsin, dealers used to just add this into your deal, and you didn't see it. A few years the State says you must disclose what the service fee is and not "hide" it from the customer...which can be anywhere from $79 to $499

What does it pay for? Basically record retention. Paperwork from all deals must be kept about 7 years, in locked storage that complies with law regarding personal information. Most dealerships don't have room in their dealerships, so it goes offsite to someone approved for such storage. The fee is disclosed on a another sticker, and is on new and used cars.
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:53 AM   #19
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Scotty, are you adding the FEE to your msrp Camaro deals?

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Old 12-14-2008, 01:02 AM   #20
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In Illinois it is legal for the dealer to add a $69 document fee. Because it is a standard flat fee, most dealers have it pre-printed on the order form, so it gets automatically added in to your final cost when tallying up the purchase price plus tax, license and title.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:05 AM   #21
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Oh yeah, they have that doc fee here too pre-printed. the stealer fee is fully disclosed by law and costs you 599 above the doc fee.

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Old 12-14-2008, 09:51 AM   #22
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Does this mean at the end of every month when I send out invoices to
my customers I can add an additional fee for the paper work
I mean it takes about 1 hr
........yeah.....I would loose every customer I have,....Dealer fees?
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Check this thread for MSRP dealers:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:48 AM   #24
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Scotty, are you adding the FEE to your msrp Camaro deals?

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Yes, by law we can't "hide" it. All prices from ALL DEALERS in Wisconsin are + tax (for WI residents), Title (for WI residents), license (for WI residents), and fee.

We are at $110

A LARGE Wisconsin Corvette dealer down the road is at $199

All fee's are disclosed on all new and used cars on the sticker or next to it. It's not a surprise. We have the largest loyal customer base in SE WI, and one of the most successful service departments in the state. We do it right.

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At my dealership, we have never charged a "doc fee" and never will. It's just a way for a dealer to make more $$$$. We also never sell above MSRP, always honor GM employee and GM supplier prices (if GM allows it.)

Our dealership is owned and staffed by salesmen who worked at some high-powered dealerships, and were basically taught how NOT to please the customer. We all vowed if we owned a dealership, we would run it exactly the opposite.

Guess what????

It works!!!!!

We know we leave money on the table on every deal, but we also know that we have tons of repeat customers, and they even help us sell their friends.

Doh! Go figure.

Maybe we're the stupid ones.
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