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Old 12-13-2008, 08:54 PM   #1
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Shorty Headers....

I am waiting to order my Camaro until they have this priced, unless they don't get it priced by Dec. 31. Any idea on about how much this option will be?

I know a lot of you will say the shorty's won't add much, but correct me if I am wrong here, If I go out and put on LT's my warranty is toast. Not worth that IMO.
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and you still have to wait for LT's to be available before worrying about the warranty.
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I'd rather go w/ some LT's.
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how much more power do you get out of the LT's?
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between 30-40hp. that's the usual guesstimate from most companies.
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between 30-40hp. that's the usual guesstimate from most companies.
Jeez I I didn't think it would be that high.
Wow that's definitely worth it, I'll be looking into long tubes.

And to the OP, you could just order your car without the shorties and if you feel like they're worth it, buy them and have them installed at another time.
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I don't think the warranty voids from the installation of longtubes. It's not like they are an internal engine mod. And God knows Kooks will be allover this car, they've made an outstanding set for the C6.
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just my word of advice people and past experience with the srt-4. . . As most of you know the Srt-4 was a highly modified-able car. . . the "law" says that there has to be prof your modification caused the failure (what ever that may be.) This doesn't mean that it alway goes that way. . . There's been several cases where some one put a blow of valve on their ride and the tranny went out. . . Not even close to being related and the dealership voided the warranty. . or when they have a stage kit (off road use only) and the tranny went out... warranty voided. .

With the financial situation GM is in right now, I can see many warranty reps voiding warranties for little reason just so they don't have to pay.

this is just my speculation and past experience. . . take what you want from it.
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I'm removing the cats as soon as I get it home..after a little drive that is....
LT's are definately the way to go. I hope they are available by the time we get our cars..I'd think that GM is sending out a few cars to various aftermarket companies as we speak.
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I'm removing the cats as soon as I get it home..after a little drive that is....
LT's are definately the way to go. I hope they are available by the time we get our cars..I'd think that GM is sending out a few cars to various aftermarket companies as we speak.
you'd be better off getting high-flow cats. many cars now (especially performance cars) are being engineered & tuned to run better with cats in place (due to all the EPA restrictions in place) i've heard of guys cutting the cats off their vettes & fbodies and actually losing a little power. can't say for sure with this car 'cause it ain't out yet, but that's my guess.
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between 30-40hp. that's the usual guesstimate from most companies.
over STOCK. and of course most companies exagerrate things just a smidge... like vette owners and the size of their *****


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I don't think the warranty voids from the installation of longtubes. It's not like they are an internal engine mod. And God knows Kooks will be allover this car, they've made an outstanding set for the C6.
shouldnt void your warranty, but might cause some problems if you deal with an emissions state.

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you'd be better off getting high-flow cats. many cars now (especially performance cars) are being engineered & tuned to run better with cats in place (due to all the EPA restrictions in place) i've heard of guys cutting the cats off their vettes & fbodies and actually losing a little power. can't say for sure with this car 'cause it ain't out yet, but that's my guess.
long tubes and high flow cats. more power and legal at the same time.
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over STOCK. and of course most companies exagerrate things just a smidge... like vette owners and the size of their *****

WHAT?



shouldnt void your warranty, but might cause some problems if you deal with an emissions state.

Kooks is super! Also costly, but worth it.



long tubes and high flow cats. more power and legal at the same time.
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between 30-40hp. that's the usual guesstimate from most companies.

"usual"
"guesstimate"
"most"


now....let me do a quick google search...

Oh look....SLP long tubes for an LS3...
http://www.afterthoughtsauto.com/slp-c6zo6-headers.html
SLP 4-2-1 Z06 Corvette long tube headers feature:

* 4-2-1 into 3" collectors, featuring 1-3/4" equal-length primaries.
* All mandrel bent stainless steel construction to maximize flow.
* +30 HP and +30 ft-lbs RWHP gain over stock system (with SLP programmer).
(might be with a programmer, but all the same...)
* +5 HP and +4 ft-lbs over "popular 1-7/8" design.
* Polished aluminum-ceramic thermal-barrier coating (interior and exterior surfaces) to keep heat in, exhaust velocity up, and under-hood temperatures down.
* 200 Cell Per Inch High-Flow Cats for unrestricted exhaust flow.
* Complete bolt-on installation, bolts directly to factory exhaust system, (no welding required).
* Are covered by SLP's Performance Guarantee and Lifetime Warranty.

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Build power in your new C6 Corvette with SLP's new Long-Tube Headers. Their engineers designed these for the biggest horsepower gain possible from the LS2 engine. You can add up to 30 horsepower depending on your application. SLP's headers are precision bent on CNC bending equipment from stainless steel and feature 1-3/4 inch primary tubes flowing into 2.5" venturi collectors. They’re fully compatible with all stock emissions-control equipment and use OEM flanges for a perfect fit and proper bolt retention. Limited Lifetime Warranty.

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http://www.cincyperformancestore.com/lg-c6pro.html
LG Pro Longtubes...
"30+ HP/TQ Gains"

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http://www.lsxtv.com/forum/kooks-ls3...-test-559.html
Vehicle: 2008 LS3 Corvette 6-Speed
Headers: Kooks 1-7/8-inch LS3 Long Tube Headers w/3-inch Collectors
X-Pipe: Kooks Catted X-Crossover System, 3-inch x 3-inch
Mufflers: Corsa Performance 3-inch Z06, Dual Rear Exit Quad 4.0" Pro-Series Tips
(yes, there was other stuff added to this as well)

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-Co...1247QQcategory
Z33631QQihZ016QQitemZ260214504620QQrdZ1QQsspagenam eZWD1V

Stainless works...29RWHP...

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This doesn't apply, but I found it and thought it was cool...lol...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-12827.html
cam, long tubes, pully, k&n, pulling 506 RWHP! Noice!!!

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ok...i'm having fun with this now....
my initial reaction..."HOLY GOD..."
oops...wrong vid posted initially....sorry


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Ok...I"m done. LS1 always showed a 30 to 40 hp gain in all advertisements. I carried that over for the LS3. So far, the "documented" #'s I have seen have mostly shown 30hp.

Now....the better question is....

What kind of gains can you expect from shorties ALONE...???....????
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Good info Tag...and way to back it up!

So has anyone utilized "shorties" on an LS3 that YOU own and can they explain their:
1. Cost
2. Performance gain
3. Athestics? (sound)
4. Opinion (we have alot of that here already)
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now....let me do a quick google search...

Ok...I"m done. LS1 always showed a 30 to 40 hp gain in all advertisements. I carried that over for the LS3. So far, the "documented" #'s I have seen have mostly shown 30hp.

Now....the better question is....

What kind of gains can you expect from shorties ALONE...???....????


tag, I wasnt trying to discredit you, however, most times when companies "test" their exhaust systems, they dont just bolt on the exhaust to a bone stock motor. more often than not, they have CAI and other supporting bolt-ons and tune the crap out of them as well as you posted with the SLP setup...

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you CAN get 30-40 increase over stock, but not just by bolting them on by themselves.

as for gains from shorties alone? (can we add CAI and a programmer to level the playing field? lol) i would imagine around 15-20 with a tune.
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I picked up around 30-40 RWHP with LTs on my car. I never got a baseline before the LTs; my baseline was with MAC mid-lengths, a sheety canned tune, and a couple other bolt-ons, but I got 30+ more with a dyno' tune and my QTPs - with cats'. A lot of those companies like to exaggerate their powergains though. LTs are the way to go if you can pull it off though - no doubt.
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tag, I wasnt trying to discredit you, however, most times when companies "test" their exhaust systems, they dont just bolt on the exhaust to a bone stock motor. more often than not, they have CAI and other supporting bolt-ons and tune the crap out of them as well as you posted with the SLP setup...


you CAN get 30-40 increase over stock, but not just by bolting them on by themselves.
Oh, I know you weren't trying to discredit me, brother! I was just saying that this is what companies usually say...about 30hp. I noted below the SLP longtubes that it was w/ SLP programmer. A few other documented combos have CAI, cat back, etc. But, and I'm sorry...but when I originally said 30-40, I was meaning w/ CAI and exhaust options as well (I honestly tried to find LT's alone and only found ONE link supporting my claim +but ther WAS one+...SO HA!...>continued). I really have never heard of anyone ONLY tossing on LT's and calling it a day. You need to free up the rest of the intake/exhaust to make one major component work. I would not add LT's and leave the rest of the system alone. Of course, you know this...and I felt others would get this as well.

So...let me rephrase...

You can expect upwards of 30hp w/ a tune from SLP and 30hp from LG long tubes alone* ...29hp from other companies on LT's alone.

*claim made by LG which is documented on their site

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IMO .. Longtubes in the end will result in a bit more HP and TQ, but at the expence of having to do things on the emissions side to not cause problems. Are there any Emissions legal longtube setups out there? I would think a cat would have to be part of the header system as if it is part of the X or H pipe it I would think it would be to far away at that time ..

Anyhow ... Had longtubes on my 2001 SS w/o cats on my setup and got good power out of Cam (G5), Programming, LT no cats, underdrive pulleys ... 381rwhp and 383rwtq (something like that)

That being said, on my 04 cobra, I stayed w/ the stock manifolds and a high flow catted system and made plenty of power (509rwhp / 520rwtq) ..

I plan on going FI with my camaro and I think I can get by with Shorties (for a bit more flow than stock) and a catted xpipe setup .... Save me the hassle for inspection ...

As far as what companies say about hp/tq .. you ALWAYS should take that with a grain of salt

If this were going to be track only pushing BIG BIG BIG numbers .. LT w/o cats would be the way to go .... but not for my daily driver ..

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and you still have to wait for LT's to be available before worrying about the warranty.
where did you get that info? did they finally release pricing on all the performance parts?
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On my C5 vette I used to have I picked up 56.85hp and 52.33 ft lbs of torque to the wheels with a Vararam CAI, LG Motorsports LT headers w/ x-pipe and no cats, Corsa Touring catback system and a tune. The best part about getting these engines to inhale and exhale better is that the extra power was there through the whole powerband not just at the higher rpm's but the lower ones too. It's also really important to get the tune done so your air/fuel ratio can get mapped correctly so it stays even through the whole rpm range.
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IMO .. Longtubes in the end will result in a bit more HP and TQ, but at the expence of having to do things on the emissions side to not cause problems. Are there any Emissions legal longtube setups out there? I would think a cat would have to be part of the header system as if it is part of the X or H pipe it I would think it would be to far away at that time ..

Anyhow ... Had longtubes on my 2001 SS w/o cats on my setup and got good power out of Cam (G5), Programming, LT no cats, underdrive pulleys ... 381rwhp and 383rwtq (something like that)

That being said, on my 04 cobra, I stayed w/ the stock manifolds and a high flow catted system and made plenty of power (509rwhp / 520rwtq) ..

I plan on going FI with my camaro and I think I can get by with Shorties (for a bit more flow than stock) and a catted xpipe setup .... Save me the hassle for inspection ...
As far as what companies say about hp/tq .. you ALWAYS should take that with a grain of salt

If this were going to be track only pushing BIG BIG BIG numbers .. LT w/o cats would be the way to go .... but not for my daily driver ..

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Oh, I know you weren't trying to discredit me, brother! I was just saying that this is what companies usually say...about 30hp. I noted below the SLP longtubes that it was w/ SLP programmer. A few other documented combos have CAI, cat back, etc. But, and I'm sorry...but when I originally said 30-40, I was meaning w/ CAI and exhaust options as well (I honestly tried to find LT's alone and only found ONE link supporting my claim +but ther WAS one+...SO HA!...>continued). I really have never heard of anyone ONLY tossing on LT's and calling it a day. You need to free up the rest of the intake/exhaust to make one major component work. I would not add LT's and leave the rest of the system alone. Of course, you know this...and I felt others would get this as well.

So...let me rephrase...

You can expect upwards of 30hp w/ a tune from SLP and 30hp from LG long tubes alone* ...29hp from other companies on LT's alone.

*claim made by LG which is documented on their site


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where did you get that info? did they finally release pricing on all the performance parts?
they haven't released pricing, but based on similar vehicles and similar header costs, it sounded reasonable.
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i really dont think you need to worry about the shorty headers vs long tube's.


my s-10 with a 6.0 and L92 heads ran 10.50's on a small shot with shorty headers and a y-pipe with single exhaust.

this new camaro will have true dual exhaust with an H-pipe from the factory, the gm shorty headers and mufflers will flow plenty good
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