Review / Installation of OBX Long-Tube Headers!

[Hicompression]

Against the advice of many of the big distributors and major manufacturers on this site, I ordered a set of 304 Stainless Steel, OBX-R longtube headers with cat-delete pipes.

I must say, I was very surprised with the quality as other manufacturers were reporting these to be Chinese knock-offs of a major brand of header made in the USA. Oddly enough, I did not find a single "made in China" sticker anywhere on these headers.

Straight out of the box the headers looked like jewelry. The whole system is a high polish. The plan was to replace my stock cast iron manifolds and JBA catted midpipes with these.

As far as installation...it was a BREEZE. This was by far the easiest installation of a set of headers I have ever done. The driver's side fit with zero clearance issues and the passenger side also fit with no issues whatsoever.

It is worthy to note that:

1.) I re-used the stock exhaust manifold gaskets (metal) because they were one piece while the OBX graphite gaskets were two piece and I was eventually worried about blow-out. The stock metal gaskets will NEVER blow out.

2.) The collector to catalytic converter delete pipe bolts that were supplied with the kit were cheap metric 4.8 grade steel. I ditched these in favor of purchasing some metric 8.8 grade bolts. Also I did not like the tension "springs" supplied by OBX with the collector bolts. I ditched these in favor of lock washers to keep everything from loosening up.

3) The kit did not come with front O2 sensor extension wires. This shut me down for a week as I ordered mine from Racetronixs which is an outfit in Canada. You can buy the "high temp" extensions here: http://www.racetronix.biz/itemdesc.a...4T-24T&eq=&Tp= I have since learned that Casper's electronics also sells extensions available in 12". You can buy them here: http://www.casperselectronics.com/st...oducts_id=1267

4) Lastly, I purchased two 304 stainless steel O2 sensor extenders (fancy one piece 2" spark plug antifoulers) to keep the cat delete pipes from throwing codes.

So here is what I spent:

$404.00 OBX Headers (eBay)
$46.75 Racetronix front O2 wire extensions
$11 collector bolt hardware
$24 Stainless rear O2 sensor extenders
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Total spent = $485.75

The sound of this system is AMAZING. I am 100% satisfied with the quality and fitment of these headers. I am sooo glad that I did not listen to the naysayers and go with a more expensive header that would have performed the same.

Now let me shut up and on to the pics. I will post a video clip of the OBX headers, cat delete pipes and stock LS3 cat-back when I get a chance. I absolutely found the right sound for this car.

[tony1]

looks real good...

[Rage]

Looks nice

[Prochargedchevyi]

I'd be really interested in hearing a sound clip....they look really good. As far as wall-thickness, what is the gauage of the pipes they used? Are they pretty thick? I've heard that the downfall is the gauge of stainless. Too bad you didn't measure it to post some definitive data. Most of the negative threads that you read about OBX are predicated on myth rather than fact.

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by tony1

looks real good...

Originally Posted by Rage

Looks nice

Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by Prochargedchevyi

I'd be really interested in hearing a sound clip....they look really good. As far as wall-thickness, what is the gauage of the pipes they used? Are they pretty thick? I've heard that the downfall is the gauge of stainless. Too bad you didn't measure it to post some definitive data. Most of the negative threads that you read about OBX are predicated on myth rather than fact.

A soundclip will be forthcoming. Unfortunately, I did not think to measure the wall thickness of the tubes. It was just not something that stood out as being too thin to me.

[MillerTime]

If you want to hear what they sound like... i just did a little rubber laying... same setup as his... OBX no cats and muffler delete... how are you liking that drone Hicompression? I am gonna do a hemholtz fix and get rid of that drone... no complaints on mine other than that...

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

If you want to hear what they sound like... i just did a little rubber laying... same setup as his... OBX no cats and muffler delete... how are you liking that drone Hicompression? I am gonna do a hemholtz fix and get rid of that drone... no complaints on mine other than that...

MillerTime...I have zero drone with the stock LS3 cat-back. Seriously!

[wbt]

Very nice! Congrats!

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by wbt

Very nice! Congrats!

Thanks! No check engine light yet either....knock on wood.

[MillerTime]

Damn...its terrible with the stock mufflerss removed... hemholtz here I come...

[MarylandSpeed]

Okay..so on a personal note..congrats on the successful header install. However on the flipside, lets be honest. We all know they are made in China given the brands reputation. I can also tell because they are polished. You can't pay an American worker to hand polish headers and have them priced right. Lastly, look at the pictures, it is plain they copied a Kooks header (picture below). If you're gonna make cheap Chinese stuff, at least have the decencey to design it yourself. This is not a "everything is made in China thing"...this is about a overseas company stealing an American ones work, off shoring production and dumping it here. There are no free rides, and I am certain no one wants this to happen at their work place.

I am all for saving a buck..but I really don't like when people come with one of these headers and act like they are so great, and such a deal. Sure they are great because they copied the best product on the market, and sure they are cheap. Hell it costs nothing to pump them out between runs of Walmart lawn furniture with foreign materials and sell them on ebay. Not to mention no warranty and order support. As I have stated before, buying these, you are getting nothing more than a fake Rolex. I am sure my continued ranting will upset people..but it's the way it is. I would have no issues if this company would stop cheating, design their own product, properly support it and sell it like a real retail business. Stop the wink wink these are knock off Kooks on ebay crap. There are no free rides.

[Entaille]

^+1.

Supporting knock offs is such bad practice. Glad you are happy with the product, but it would not exist had a genuine (and American) company had not contributed the R&D required to develop a proven set of LT headers like that.

End of the day - these replicas are nothing but harmful to the development of new products.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Okay..so on a personal note..congrats on the successful header install. However on the flipside, lets be honest. We all know they are made in China given the brands reputation. I can also tell because they are polished. You can't pay an American worker to hand polish headers and have them priced right. Lastly, look at the pictures, it is plain they copied a Kooks header (picture below). If you're gonna make cheap Chinese stuff, at least have the decencey to design it yourself. This is not a "everything is made in China thing"...this is about a overseas company stealing an American ones work, off shoring production and dumping it here. There are no free rides, and I am certain no one wants this to happen at their work place.

I am all for saving a buck..but I really don't like when people come with one of these headers and act like they are so great, and such a deal. Sure they are great because they copied the best product on the market, and sure they are cheap. Hell it costs nothing to pump them out between runs of Walmart lawn furniture with foreign materials and sell them on ebay. Not to mention no warranty and order support. As I have stated before, buying these, you are getting nothing more than a fake Rolex. I am sure my continued ranting will upset people..but it's the way it is. I would have no issues if this company would stop cheating, design their own product, properly support it and sell it like a real retail business. Stop the wink wink these are knock off Kooks on ebay crap. There are no free rides.

Everyone has their own opinion...but I certainly would expect a little more professionalism from a forum sponsor, especially because you represent a company and not just an individual opinion. You have made your point SEVERAL times on here. Those of us that purchased these headers are MORE than aware that you do not like them for the reasons you listed above as well as several others listed previously in other threads. I respect your opinon, so please respect the fact that not everyone shares that same opinion and move on. Thanks

[christianmotox]

Its Capitalism and globalization, thats just how it is.

BTW, nice install and congrats!! they look awesome.

[MarylandSpeed]

Profesionalism? In a thread praising headers based on a stolen design? Come on. It's not a matter of opinion...someone stole the header design and is dumping cheap knock offs on ebay. People should know what they are buying. The only opinion part is if you think it is right to support such a practice...and I will continue to present my opinion every chance that presents itself. Just the same as people who buy them will say they are great and think they got a deal.

That being said, when this company stops ripping off other companies work, and does their own R&D I will gladly leave the issue alone. I think the only people will be upet at me for bringing up what they really are will be the ones actually buying these headers off ebay. In reality, it likely does not matter if they think I am a big meanie.

Originally Posted by MillerTime

Everyone has their own opinion...but I certainly would expect a little more professionalism from a forum sponsor, especially because you represent a company and not just an individual opinion. You have made your point SEVERAL times on here. Those of us that purchased these headers are MORE than aware that you do not like them for the reasons you listed above as well as several others listed previously in other threads. I respect your opinon, so please respect the fact that not everyone shares that same opinion and move on. Thanks

[christianmotox]

I just saw the OBX's on ebay for $345 including the Cat deleted pipes, vs 900+ for just the Kooks headers, thats more than double the price. Camaro parts in general are overpriced as it is, you cant blame some one for saving $500.

Thats Just my opinion.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Profesionalism? In a thread praising headers based on a stolen design? Come on. It's not a matter of opinion...someone stole the header design and is dumping cheap knock offs on ebay. People should know what they are buying. The only opinion part is if you think it is right to support such a practice...and I will continue to present my opinion every chance that presents itself. Just the same as people who buy them will say they are great and think they got a deal.

That being said, when this company stops ripping off other companies work, and does their own R&D I will gladly leave the issue alone. I think the only people will be upet at me for bringing up what they really are will be the ones actually buying these headers off ebay. In reality, it likely does not matter if they think I am a big meanie.

Yes professionalism... The fact that you continue to argue with potential customers speaks volumes in that regard. Promote your own design and product, don't bash another product/company (weather you think it's a knock off or not)

OBX makes a great product (weather its ripped off or not has yet to be proven) and I am enjoying it on my car. I would recommend these headers to anyone else that is in the market for them. Happy modding!

[Entaille]

way to turn a blind eye to feel better about your knock off purchase.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by Entaille

way to turn a blind eye to feel better about your knock off purchase.

Who's turning a blind eye?

[Entaille]

lol, what do you require as proof for it to be labeled a knock off? anyone looking at them side by side would agree the design is too similar.

OBX does not make a great product. they make a decent quality replica of a great product. obx / megan racing etc are big on the honda scene.. sad to see it here.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by Entaille

lol, what do you require as proof for it to be labeled a knock off? anyone looking at them side by side would agree the design is too similar.

OBX does not make a great product. they make a decent quality replica of a great product. obx / megan racing etc are big on the honda scene.. sad to see it here.

OHHH so it has to be bent into a twisted mass to make it different...ooh ok..

Weather the design is ripped off or not has nothing to do with the quality of the build. The welds are nearly perfect and had 0 issues with mine. That IS a quality product. Like it or not.

Since OBX products are used on hondas they are somehow inferior?

[Entaille]

no, just because they are used on hondas does not make them inferior. being that they do not create their own products, simply replicas of existing products, makes them inferior. slice that any way you want it. there are quality honda brands too, obx is not one of them.

I am just chiming in with where they are popular and where I have heard of them. I would expect someone modding a car worth a few thousand dollars to be interested in spending less / saving more $$ and supporting knock offs - I did not expect to see people with 30k+ cars doing the same.

(stepping out of the conversation now as we have nothing to do but agree to disagree)

[MillerTime]

http://www.bbexhaust.com/car/gen5cam...o%20header.jpg

These B & B headers looks identical to the OBX headers with the exception of being larger diameter...I know for a fact that Billy Boat's crew design and hand fabricate every one of these exhausts... knock offs? I think not...

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by Entaille

no, just because they are used on hondas does not make them inferior. being that they do not create their own products, simply replicas of existing products, makes them inferior. slice that any way you want it. there are quality honda brands too, obx is not one of them.

I am just chiming in with where they are popular and where I have heard of them. I would expect someone modding a car worth a few thousand dollars to be interested in spending less / saving more $$ and supporting knock offs - I did not expect to see people with 30k+ cars doing the same.

(stepping out of the conversation now as we have nothing to do but agree to disagree)

Nobody has proof that they don't create their own products...sheesh people.. Since i spent 35k on this car I'm expected to bend over and pay more $$ for the same products? I think not...

[1up5dn]

I have to say I think Maryland Speed is actually being very professional and well spoken. I think more people should stand up and refuse to give money to thieves. When I worked in NY, I can't count how many times people would pull up in a van and sell laptops, stereos, etc. for a nickel on the dollar. They claimed they were "extras" that their company didn't need from a big order (yeah, right). What really offended me, was how many of my coworkers would lap them up and brag about how much they saved!

It's the same with pirated software and other things available in that country. People wonder why our economy is suffering? Hmmmm...........


Let's see some pix of those headers in 5 years.


BTW, I put genuine Kooks headers on my car.



Chris....