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Old 12-17-2008, 08:42 PM   #1
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Remote Start Available for the Manual Tranny?

The automatic transmission, RPO MXO, for the 2LT & 2SS trim levels comes with remote start, Reference RPO BTV, and also comes with the 1LT auto if the SRJ Convenience & Connectivity Package is included, which evidently contains the wiring/enabling. That leaves the LS & 1SS trims, but the C&C Package does not appear to be available on those, so remote start is not possible even with the auto trans, nor is it shown anywhere as being available on those. And it does not appear the C&C Package is available as an after-factory option.

So then, what is the GMPP part "92213216 Remote Starting System, Factory-Enabled" intended for if not the M6 manual car with the factory C&C Package? Am I missing something?
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:54 PM   #2
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No manual car will ever have remote start from the factory. It's way too much liability.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:16 PM   #3
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No manual car will ever have remote start from the factory. It's way too much liability.
+1. and i think the part number might be for service shops to buy replacement parts.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:34 PM   #4
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No manual car will ever have remote start from the factory. It's way too much liability.
Actually, GM had a remote start system for a manual tranny in R&D to be used in the next couple years but since they stopped all R&D for the time being, it will take longer.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:46 PM   #5
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Actually, GM had a remote start system for a manual tranny in R&D to be used in the next couple years but since they stopped all R&D for the time being, it will take longer.
Clifford made one that a store I worked for about 9 years ago offered. They installed it in 1 car, a Mustang. The Mustang owner proceeded to forget to leave the car in neutral, and sent his car through his garage and into his neighbors. We stopped carrying it....
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:43 PM   #6
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:20 AM   #7
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:03 AM   #8
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They are illegal here in TX...to my knowledge. Why? For the reasons listed above...safety and liability. No remote starts in manuals. I think there is an easy fix, though. Just like getting by the gas guzzler tax and installing the skip shift, you could easily but some sort of transistor, sensor, etc so that the auto starter will ONLY start when the tranny is in neutral. Simple, IMO...put it in neutral, get out, close door, push start and vroom..there it is. Put it in 1st or any other gear and it's a no go.
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What you're all saying is what I thought. Although, like you said, Tag, the gear and maybe E. brake sensors could make it safe if they never failed, or if there was a failure sense to then lock it out.
I posed the question because after looking at the data I just couldn't figure out where the GMPP option would be useable. If the car is "factory enabled", meaning the Convenience & Connectivity Package, and has an auto trans., then it already has remote start!
Looks like as far as a logical explanation, so far the guy with the fuzzy buddy thingy's got the best/only one.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:29 AM   #10
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I thought there are some aftermarket kits that check if it's in neutral???

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Old 12-18-2008, 10:38 AM   #11
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Can it be started without pushing in the clutch?
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Old 12-18-2008, 11:04 AM   #12
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Can it be started without pushing in the clutch?
I was thinking the same, I thought you had to push the clutch for the car to start. Remote start is nice but should not be installed on a manual trans car, if you need it, buy an automatic IMO.
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What is the advantage of starting your car from 10 feet away over just getting in and starting it?
Unless it can drive itself to you James Bond style I don't see the point
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Can it be started without pushing in the clutch?
It can if the computer knows to bypass the clutch pedal possition switch.
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Old 12-18-2008, 11:26 AM   #15
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It can if the computer knows to bypass the clutch pedal possition switch.
or if you bypass the clutch pedal position switch... which some people have done.
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I really don't see the need for it. However it would be great to get the car running and the AC going in the hot nasty humid summer months around here. For me having the Manual is way more important that remote start. But I can see the cool factor....
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What is the advantage of starting your car from 10 feet away over just getting in and starting it?
Unless it can drive itself to you James Bond style I don't see the point
Mine's not going to be an everyday driver, so there are going to be times when I want to run the engine to warm it and circulate the oil. And I was thinking it would be nice if I could just step into the garage, raise the door a few feet, and from there, push a button on the fob and start the car.
A necessity, no, but neither is remote entry or a host of other options.
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What is the advantage of starting your car from 10 feet away over just getting in and starting it?
Unless it can drive itself to you James Bond style I don't see the point
Well, for those of us who don't live in Southern Cali, believe it or not, it's gets cold outside!!! And at 5:00 am when you're getting dressed and ready for work, the remote start is very helpful when you don't want to run outside in freezing temps to warm up your car. And most remote start systems are quite effective from more than 10 feet away!! The system on my Wife's truck is capable of starting from about 500 feet away. So yes, it is very convenient.
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Mine's not going to be an everyday driver, so there are going to be times when I want to run the engine to warm it and circulate the oil. And I was thinking it would be nice if I could just step into the garage, raise the door a few feet, and from there, push a button on the fob and start the car.
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Well, for those of us who don't live in Southern Cali, believe it or not, it's gets cold outside!!! And at 5:00 am when you're getting dressed and ready for work, the remote start is very helpful when you don't want to run outside in freezing temps to warm up your car. And most remote start systems are quite effective from more than 10 feet away!! The system on my Wife's truck is capable of starting from about 500 feet away. So yes, it is very convenient.

Haha okay I see now. I guess Remote start would be a nice feature for cooling/heating and general convenience.
I guess you could go aftermarket, but like the posts above warn, don't forget to leave it in neutral
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Haha okay I see now. I guess Remote start would be a nice feature for cooling/heating and general convenience.
I guess you could go aftermarket, but like the posts above warn, don't forget to leave it in neutral
You were quite right though, it is a lazy man's option. And the likelihood of it being available with a manual is evidently very remote- no pun -but if I stick with the auto it'll be real cool.
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Disclaimer: I have owned two manuals that I had remote start on...I'm not saying it's not handy, but if you are not OCD like me and always leave the car the same way no matter what...then it can be stupid. I've personally watched two people accidentally start a manual in gear.

One of them was too funny to be left out. We were in his house playing Xbox or something and we kept hearing something like a horn outside and yelling. Finally we took a break to smoke and we finally noticed that his car was almost on top of the neighbor's car two house down. The remote was in his pocket and the start combination of buttons was being pressed and his car just meandered it's way down the block and ran repeatedly against the neighbor's car in it's driveway...setting off the neighbor's car alarm. Ironically noone was really concerned because people just ignore car alarms anymore. Cost my friend some money because obviously he settled without insurance being involved as it would be void anyway.
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No manual car will ever have remote start from the factory. It's way too much liability.
Why is it too hard to have a system that puts the clutch in until you get in and push the 3rd pedal in to release it? It's a freekin cable, just get something to pull it, then start the car.
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Why is it too hard to have a system that puts the clutch in until you get in and push the 3rd pedal in to release it? It's a freekin cable, just get something to pull it, then start the car.
Then you have the liability that the owner forgot to set the emergency brake to prevent it from rolling when the clutch is in.
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Then you have the liability that the owner forgot to set the emergency brake to prevent it from rolling when the clutch is in.
There is that, I guess putting on the break is such a habit I forgot it's possible not everyone puts it on every time. I thought it was actually hard on the transmission to keep the car stationary by the engine alone.
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There is that, I guess putting on the break is such a habit I forgot it's possible not everyone puts it on every time. I thought it was actually hard on the transmission to keep the car stationary by the engine alone.
Nah. It's the same transmission that you are accelerating the 3000 lbs car with, right? The only thing is there's no real braking there...the car is being held still be the engine's resistance alone. So once you get to a point that the weight of the car is pulling hard enough to overcome the engine's static resistance, the engine will turn over and the car will move.
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