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EricSS2 · 09-22-2010, 01:34 PM

I got new Foose wheels, 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear, put NT05s 315/35/20 on the back and moved the stock backs to the front. I bought the NT05s because I installed a vortech sc a few weeks ago and wanted better traction but the NT05s seem worse than stock. I'm basing this on wheel spin, with the stock if I floored it from a stop, the wheels would spin but the car would keep straight and take off. With the NT05s the wheels spin more, it starts to go sideways and I have to let off the gas.
Any ideas? I thought the NT05s would hook great.

2quick · 09-22-2010, 01:56 PM

Are you doing the test with the same conditions? On a hill? flat? wet? dry? there can be lots of factors.

EricSS2 · 09-22-2010, 02:04 PM

Yes, same exact spot. dry weather.

2SSCAMARO · 09-22-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSS2

I got new Foose wheels, 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear, put NT05s 315/35/20 on the back and moved the stock backs to the front. I bought the NT05s because I installed a vortech sc a few weeks ago and wanted better traction but the NT05s seem worse than stock. I'm basing this on wheel spin, with the stock if I floored it from a stop, the wheels would spin but the car would keep straight and take off. With the NT05s the wheels spin more, it starts to go sideways and I have to let off the gas.
Any ideas? I thought the NT05s would hook great.

You should have got the NT05R....not the NT05

SuperFly03 · 09-22-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSS2

I got new Foose wheels, 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear, put NT05s 315/35/20 on the back and moved the stock backs to the front. I bought the NT05s because I installed a vortech sc a few weeks ago and wanted better traction but the NT05s seem worse than stock. I'm basing this on wheel spin, with the stock if I floored it from a stop, the wheels would spin but the car would keep straight and take off. With the NT05s the wheels spin more, it starts to go sideways and I have to let off the gas.
Any ideas? I thought the NT05s would hook great.

Just for clarification purposes, you installed the supercharger then checked wheel spin on stock tires then compared them to NT05's?

You just don't specify when you got your wheels relative to the SC.

Also, is TC on in both cases or off or sport mode?

EricSS2 · 09-22-2010, 02:46 PM

I got the SC installed then about a week later the tires so I'm comparing after the SC install. I couldn't get the tires to spin at all pre SC.
This is with TC on in Sport mode in both cases.

EricSS2 · 09-22-2010, 02:47 PM

I have read a few other people say the NT05 didn't stick well also but most seem to think they're great.

Dave Coyle · 09-22-2010, 02:52 PM

I can't believe that you don't have traction, I believe that Rick from Livernois Motorsports had the NTO5R's on a costumers car at the C5 in GA and ran in the low 10's with them. Are you doing the recommended burnouts before launching the car?

Snake Slayer · 09-22-2010, 02:57 PM

I think the problem is the fact that you are running a 315 tire on 10" wheel. The tire is probably bulging at the side wall and not allowing the tire to make a full contact patch/foot print

SuperFly03 · 09-22-2010, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSS2

I got the SC installed then about a week later the tires so I'm comparing after the SC install. I couldn't get the tires to spin at all pre SC.
This is with TC on in Sport mode in both cases.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm guessing A6 not M6, correct?

If it's an M6... I'm curious how you couldn't break the Pirelli's loose. Just need more RPM's :p

SuperFly03 · 09-22-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Slayer

I think the problem is the fact that you are running a 315 tire on 10" wheel. The tire is probably bulging at the side wall and not allowing the tire to make a full contact patch/foot print

Damn. Good catch... I forgot 315's need at least a 10.5 rim (11 preferably).

Wasn't even paying attention.

EricSS2 · 09-22-2010, 03:21 PM

Yes, its an A6. I've seen others run 315's on 10 rim, there is even a thread where people are putting the NT05 315 on the stock rims. Of course I have no idea how its working for them.

MillerTime · 09-22-2010, 03:56 PM

Well you put the NTO5's on instead of the NTO5R's...HUGE difference in tire compound. Your not going to notice a difference betweent the 305's and the 315's on those 10" rims. The contact area that is used will still be roughly the same on the 305's you just waste the edges on your 315's and have that truck like bulge... get the NTO5R's and your traction should improve. This doesn't account for the previously mentioned variables...but the tire compound itself makes a HUGE difference.

Chris@Livernois · 09-22-2010, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Coyle

I can't believe that you don't have traction, I believe that Rick from Livernois Motorsports had the NTO5R's on a costumers car at the C5 in GA and ran in the low 10's with them. Are you doing the recommended burnouts before launching the car?

They do need to be pretty warm to hook well, but I went a 1.5 60' on stock suspension and 10.44 @ 135 mph in Midgard's car.

-Rick

SSRSLY · 09-22-2010, 04:22 PM

Our NT05's hook fine, so long as you don't dump it from a dig or gas it around a corner. But, we're running a 315 on 11 inch wheels.

MillerTime · 09-22-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

They do need to be pretty warm to hook well, but I went a 1.5 60' on stock suspension and 10.44 @ 135 mph in Midgard's car.

-Rick

That's his issue..He got the NTO5's and not the NTO5R's... Should be able to get your 60' times with the R's... or at east sub 2's..

Nine Ball · 09-22-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Slayer

I think the problem is the fact that you are running a 315 tire on 10" wheel. The tire is probably bulging at the side wall and not allowing the tire to make a full contact patch/foot print

This. Just because a tire fits on a wheel, that doesn't mean it is properly sized for the wheel. Chances are, at WOT your tire expansion is likely making your tread contact patch shrink since they are too wide for the wheels. Try the 305 wide drag radial, you won't have traction issues...unless its raining.

Avalnch · 09-23-2010, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSS2

I got new Foose wheels, 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear, put NT05s 315/35/20 on the back and moved the stock backs to the front. I bought the NT05s because I installed a vortech sc a few weeks ago and wanted better traction but the NT05s seem worse than stock. I'm basing this on wheel spin, with the stock if I floored it from a stop, the wheels would spin but the car would keep straight and take off. With the NT05s the wheels spin more, it starts to go sideways and I have to let off the gas.
Any ideas? I thought the NT05s would hook great.

Try playing around with your tire pressures and let us know how things went.

Merc · 09-23-2010, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SSCAMARO

You should have got the NT05R....not the NT05

gotpball44 · 09-23-2010, 01:06 AM

Ur the first person i heard that doesnt like the nt05. Everyone that i talk to loves the tire. Its Nittos best street tire you can buy

2SSCAMARO · 09-23-2010, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotpball44

Ur the first person i heard that doesnt like the nt05. Everyone that i talk to loves the tire. Its Nittos best street tire you can buy

That's right "street" tire......not Drag Racing tire!

orange10s.c. · 09-23-2010, 06:42 AM

the NT05's work great under these conditions !!

EricSS2 · 09-23-2010, 12:49 PM

Thanks everyone for your help. I'll give it a few more tries and make sure the tires are warmed up. It sounds like I need to get the NT05R but I can't dump these and spend another $600 for those so I'll make do with these for now. I also only see the NT05R for 20'' wheels in a 315.

hot ss · 09-23-2010, 11:33 PM

local canada tire shop quoted me $588 each NT05R. EACH i say again, egads.
kal tire is only importer according to nitto.
i bought them out of cali, who shall ship them out of british columbia. for 160 less each, in cdn dollars.

jagan323 · 09-23-2010, 11:41 PM

you can get them cheaper in BC, just FYI...

Yeah, and with a SC, you should really burn out your wheels before you try that launch. Heat them up real nice. Im sure they will work fine.

09-22-2010, 01:34 PM	#1
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	NT05 worse than stock I got new Foose wheels, 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear, put NT05s 315/35/20 on the back and moved the stock backs to the front. I bought the NT05s because I installed a vortech sc a few weeks ago and wanted better traction but the NT05s seem worse than stock. I'm basing this on wheel spin, with the stock if I floored it from a stop, the wheels would spin but the car would keep straight and take off. With the NT05s the wheels spin more, it starts to go sideways and I have to let off the gas. Any ideas? I thought the NT05s would hook great.

09-22-2010, 02:52 PM	#8
Dave Coyle Drives: 2010 SS , 1970 Z-28, 2002 Avalanche Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,506 View My Garage	I can't believe that you don't have traction, I believe that Rick from Livernois Motorsports had the NTO5R's on a costumers car at the C5 in GA and ran in the low 10's with them. Are you doing the recommended burnouts before launching the car? __________________ IF IT'S WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR!!!! (AND IT WAS) 434RWHP/403RWTQ Livernois Motorsports 2C Cam kit Kooks 1 7/8 LT Headers/Hi-Flo Cats/Corsa Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI / Port Intake Precission 2400/2800 Converter/3.73 AAM gears Livernois Motorsports Tune Best time: 11.97 @ 117 MPH

09-22-2010, 03:56 PM	#13
MillerTime Blowin the doors off! Drives: A 2013 SS RS 6M SR Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,312	Well you put the NTO5's on instead of the NTO5R's...HUGE difference in tire compound. Your not going to notice a difference betweent the 305's and the 315's on those 10" rims. The contact area that is used will still be roughly the same on the 305's you just waste the edges on your 315's and have that truck like bulge... get the NTO5R's and your traction should improve. This doesn't account for the previously mentioned variables...but the tire compound itself makes a HUGE difference. __________________ 2G1FS1EWXD9163847

09-22-2010, 04:22 PM	#15
SSRSLY Lady Racer Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Spring TX Posts: 521 View My Garage	Our NT05's hook fine, so long as you don't dump it from a dig or gas it around a corner. But, we're running a 315 on 11 inch wheels. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS/RS: HRE, MGW, Magnacharger, BMR, TSP \|\| 2012 Boss 302: BMR, Forgeline (incoming)

09-23-2010, 06:42 AM	#22
orange10s.c. GARYS CUSTOM Drives: IOM 2SS RS M6 sunroof Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: panama city fl Posts: 4,573 View My Garage	the NT05's work great under these conditions !! Attached Images __________________

09-22-2010, 01:56 PM	#2
2quick Drives: 2010 ss Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South Florida or South Georgia Posts: 1,154	Are you doing the test with the same conditions? On a hill? flat? wet? dry? there can be lots of factors.

09-22-2010, 02:04 PM	#3
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	Yes, same exact spot. dry weather.

09-22-2010, 02:46 PM	#6
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	I got the SC installed then about a week later the tires so I'm comparing after the SC install. I couldn't get the tires to spin at all pre SC. This is with TC on in Sport mode in both cases.

09-22-2010, 02:47 PM	#7
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	I have read a few other people say the NT05 didn't stick well also but most seem to think they're great.

09-22-2010, 02:57 PM	#9
Snake Slayer Drives: Awaiting 2014 C7 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 910	I think the problem is the fact that you are running a 315 tire on 10" wheel. The tire is probably bulging at the side wall and not allowing the tire to make a full contact patch/foot print

09-22-2010, 03:21 PM	#12
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	Yes, its an A6. I've seen others run 315's on 10 rim, there is even a thread where people are putting the NT05 315 on the stock rims. Of course I have no idea how its working for them.

09-23-2010, 01:06 AM	#20
gotpball44 Boost Is Your Friend Drives: 2010 Black 1SS Camaro Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: La Mirada CA Posts: 1,123 View My Garage	Ur the first person i heard that doesnt like the nt05. Everyone that i talk to loves the tire. Its Nittos best street tire you can buy

09-23-2010, 12:49 PM	#23
EricSS2 Drives: SS2/RS Black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 10	Thanks everyone for your help. I'll give it a few more tries and make sure the tires are warmed up. It sounds like I need to get the NT05R but I can't dump these and spend another $600 for those so I'll make do with these for now. I also only see the NT05R for 20'' wheels in a 315.

09-23-2010, 11:33 PM	#24
hot ss Drives: aqua 2ss l99 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,227	local canada tire shop quoted me $588 each NT05R. EACH i say again, egads. kal tire is only importer according to nitto. i bought them out of cali, who shall ship them out of british columbia. for 160 less each, in cdn dollars. __________________ May your exhaust note, sing in harmony with your blower.

09-23-2010, 11:41 PM	#25
jagan323 I have no life Drives: 06' Subaru STI, ex-Camaro V6 LLT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Top Gear Test Track Posts: 3,230	you can get them cheaper in BC, just FYI... Yeah, and with a SC, you should really burn out your wheels before you try that launch. Heat them up real nice. Im sure they will work fine. __________________ List of Camaro DIY The Blog

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