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Old 09-23-2010, 09:21 AM   #1
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save your clutch

I read this from another website and I will try to find a link, but the bottom line is this......Your clutch, and brakes share the same fluid, and on our cars share the same master cylinder. Every few months or so, maybe even at each oil change, use a turkey baster syringe to suck out all the old nasty, and probably brown fluid, and top it off with new. Then go for a 5 or 10 minute drive, and do it again until your fluid in the reservoir is reasonably clear. This allows you to remove the abrasive clutch dust from the system without having to bleed it. This also extends the life of all your hydraulic equipment having anything to do with your clutch or your precious Brembos. All this takes about 10 minutes, and costs about $10. Pretty simple math there eh? Here is the link.
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:50 AM   #2
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That write-up is very interesting. If his suggestion genuinely works, I would do that as often as he suggests. it sounds easy, yet annoying at the same time.

i wonder how long the brake fluid would remain clear if you just drove the car with no type of racing or slamming on the brakes.
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Usually what I do is change the fluid in the reservoir and pump the clutch 20 times or so then change it again, no driving necessary in between. Repeat until clear.

But thanks for this reminder, I haven't done this for the Camaro yet.
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:52 AM   #4
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Does the clutch and brake system really share the same fluid and resevoir?
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:55 AM   #5
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Does the clutch and brake system really share the same fluid and resevoir?

I was wondering this too, kind of sad that I still haven't been under the hood enough to know this. The same type of fluid yes, but really the same reservoir?
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:56 AM   #6
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Yes. There is a splitter, but some fluid Does make its way from one side to the other..
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:00 AM   #7
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As mentioned above it is not necessary to drive the car, simply pumping the clutch pedal 20-30 times does the trick. I don't even have 2k miles yet and my fluid was getting some coloration to it.
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:32 AM   #8
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Also worth mentioning a couple of things here.

1. Brake fluid will eat through your paint amazingly fast. Be extra super careful not to drip any on your paint, have a towel over any part of your car with even the slightest possibility of a drip.

2. Brake fluid absorbs moisture very fast even from humidity, keep everything open as short a time as possible. When I open the new bottle I punch a small hole in the seal to let as little air as possible (you will only use a fraction of the bottle) replace the bottle periodically.
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:35 AM   #9
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Yes. There is a splitter, but some fluid Does make its way from one side to the other..
You sure about that? Because I have had my master replaced twice now and the salve once, and neither time did they need to bleed the brakes which I would assume you would need to do. But I don't know much about clutches and I didn't even know there has a mater or slave to begin with. I knew there were for brakes but I just never really thought about the clutch having them.
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:39 AM   #10
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I raise the BS flag.... clutch fluid discoloration on ls applications has been around for years. if 4th gens it was just as bad, and the clutch had a seperate resevoir.
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:54 AM   #11
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My GTO clutch fluid got dirty fast. Dealer cleaned it out twice with in the first 1000 miles and I done the next 2.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:22 AM   #12
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Here is my solution for bleeding the clutch, saves mucho time and fluid. Anyone interested can PM me.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101008
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:26 AM   #13
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There's a DIY thread for installing a separate clutch reservoir on here somewhere. Pretty simple, used the reservoir from a late model GTO.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:28 AM   #14
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:34 PM   #16
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Thanks. Changing the fluid is easy enough to do. Cheap insurance that won't void warrany.

What I don't understand is, people adding extra reservoir themselves. I mean, if there is a problem with your clutch or brake due to this "combined" reservoir, then take it to the dealer to have fix under warranty. Modifying the system by adding a "look at me, I am not stock" clutch reservoir just opens a can of worms if something does happen to your clutch or tranny or brakes. Dealer sees your genius mod and COULD claim you modified the Clutch/Brake system from its design so the warranty is voided, and they would be right. Yeah yeah, some will argue the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act blah blah blah but, do you really have the time and $$ resources to fight GM for denying warranty when you clearly modded something out of its original design which DIRECTLY (for good or bad) affected the parts it controls? just sayin..
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Old 09-23-2010, 01:18 PM   #17
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The clutch fluid getting dirty is not due to a shared reservoir, it is the normal operation of the clutch except performance driving makes it many times worse. I would think the brakes actually does little to make this worse. Adding a separate reservoir will not keep your fluid any better although it will separate the systems so that a problem with one won't cause issues with both.
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The clutch fluid getting dirty is not due to a shared reservoir
Of course it isn't. But a dirty brake system from clutch dust is, unless you're telling us it is separate somehow. The combined system was engineered solely to save money, which is probably OK on your run of the mill puddle jumper. But I agree, the way GM is now, a hole in your muffler will probably be attributed to modding your brake/clutch reservoir.
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Clutch dust should not be entering the brake/clutch lines or reservoirs.. any discoloration of fluid is from normal use.
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Interesting write up.
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Old 09-23-2010, 02:23 PM   #21
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Should Not, being the operative phrase. Although I don't see an issue unless you spend a lot of time at the track.
Read this
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What kind of fluid do I replace it with? Can I just use regular DOT 3 brake fluid?
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Clutch dust should not be entering the brake/clutch lines or reservoirs.. any discoloration of fluid is from normal use.
Agreed,clutch dust cannot possibly enter the hydro fluid system....
It is sealed Only way is if it leaks and them you got another problem.

I don't know why people keep saying clutch dust gets in the fluid.
Discoloration of brake fliud for a clutch or otherwise in completely normal.

Go look at your other cars fluid and you will see.

maintenance is key and change it out regularly..IE "Bleed the Brakes"
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Does the clutch and brake system really share the same fluid and resevoir?
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I was wondering this too, kind of sad that I still haven't been under the hood enough to know this. The same type of fluid yes, but really the same reservoir?
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Yes. There is a splitter, but some fluid Does make its way from one side to the other..
No there is no splitter.

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Clutch dust should not be entering the brake/clutch lines or reservoirs.. any discoloration of fluid is from normal use.
There has been test's to say there is Clutch dust in the fluid.

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Of course it isn't. But a dirty brake system from clutch dust is, unless you're telling us it is separate somehow. The combined system was engineered solely to save money, which is probably OK on your run of the mill puddle jumper. But I agree, the way GM is now, a hole in your muffler will probably be attributed to modding your brake/clutch reservoir.
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