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Old 09-24-2010, 03:26 PM   #1
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Grinding 2nd?

My wife is 100 miles into her 2SS

She was telling me yesterday on 2 occasions when shifting from 1st to 2nd it grinded when she let the clutch out.

My wife is no idiot and she knows how to drive a manual, she swears both times she was fully in gear when it happened and it only happened on harder acceleration and she was over 20MPH.

I tried to recreate it last night to get an idea of what was happening but of coarse no grinding for me.

Any ideas about this?????
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:44 PM   #2
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Sorry, at this point I'd have to say operator error ... Also if it were hard acceleration, she should be north of 40-45 mph ...
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:47 PM   #3
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I just threw in the over 20 to throw out the possibility of the skip shift causing something.


I'm figuring user error also, but want to throw it out there just in case
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:56 PM   #4
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In her defense, I don't think is user error. I have had the same thing happen and it is only on hard acceleration. Quite embarrassing. There is actually older threads on here about the same issue.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=2nd+gear

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Old 09-24-2010, 03:58 PM   #5
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GT500's have tons of these issues. Something with the 6060 trans
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Old 09-24-2010, 04:34 PM   #6
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I have to agree it isn't operator error. I had the same issue with my 2SS. I have yet to have the problem on my GT500 but I have read many a thread about it happening. So I am just knocking on wood for now.

There is a fix that seems to eliminate most but not all of the problem. I honestly can't remember what they are called. They basically are a rod on each side of the transmission that are connected to the undercarriage to keep the tranny in place during hard acceleration.

Hopefully someone else knows what I'm talking about. I'll try and find a link when I'm in front of my computer again.

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Old 09-24-2010, 05:04 PM   #7
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I'd love to know about the root cause too...

If I didn't experience it myself on a routine basis, I'd lean towards operator error too, but 2nd does a very quick grind or very rough shift regularly on me as well. First couple of times I thought it was just bad timing with skipshift locking out 2nd at the same time I was trying to shift... but I've since added the eliminator, and still have the same thing happen occasionally.

No other gear does it, and I've been driving stick for 15 years now.
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:15 PM   #8
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She just told me it did it again, said it grinded with the pedal to the floor and all 3 times were when it was cold.

I guess this isn't something that will go away as its broken in
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:30 AM   #9
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Happens to me when I am really getting on it. I cant just let off, jam the clutch to the floor and pull it back into 2nd. I just doesnt go in. Its like it is hitting a gate. Never had this problem in other cars. I have to shift deliberatly slower to ensure that it goes into second. Happened with the stock shifter, and the Hurst I have on it also. So I dont think its a shifter issue.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:45 AM   #10
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The manual transmission has a "gas saving" feature to where if your transmission and engine are warm enough you can go from 1st to 4th gear to save gas. Maybe this is the root cause? I've noticed a "gate" feel going from 1st to 2nd sometimes as well and just figured it was this.
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:48 AM   #11
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That is what I was thinking too! If your hitting the 1-4 skip shif and not noticing it that would keep you from being able to get it in gear. Skip shift eliminator is like $30
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Old 09-25-2010, 08:59 AM   #12
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That is what I was thinking too! If your hitting the 1-4 skip shif and not noticing it that would keep you from being able to get it in gear. Skip shift eliminator is like $30
Skip shift only comes into play at 30% throttle or something like that from 1700-2500rpm (those numbers are wrong but it's definitely not WOT @ redline).

Since this also occurs on the GT500's with Tremec's I doubt it has much to do with the skip shift gating.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:04 AM   #13
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She just told me it did it again, said it grinded with the pedal to the floor and all 3 times were when it was cold.

I guess this isn't something that will go away as its broken in
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Is the part that helps the mustang.

Also, some GT500 owners have reported that changing out the synchros has helped. I can't remember if any Camaro owners did that under warranty. I want to say yes.
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Old 09-28-2010, 01:16 PM   #14
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Same thing happened to me the other day when I was taking someone for a ride and doing a 0-60 run. Embarrassed the hell out of me, couldn't figure out why I missed the shift........maybe I didn't miss it. Pissed me off though.
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:50 PM   #15
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Could be hydrolics?? With the return spring in the pedal, its harder to tell when you have an air bubble in the system.
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:54 PM   #16
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My Hurst short throw shifter eliminated that 2nd gear problem.
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:55 PM   #17
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Mine just started to do this out of the blue, and grinds bad. Took it to the GM Dealership and they found the synchros and 2nd gear were gone. Replacement parts ordered. Dont know why it happened all of a sudden though. Been waiting 3 weeks and it SUCKS having to granny it around town or it grinds and you look stupid!
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:58 PM   #18
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This has been an issue with the manual v6's as well

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91813


I've also thought the possibility exists for some mechanical movement of the trans or driveline during hard acceleration might be occurring.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:00 PM   #19
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My Hurst short shifter eliminated that 2nd gear problem.
She has the Hurst also


The dealer I bought it as is a small one and I have the only Camaro in town so I'm betting they probably wont know anything about it unless there is a TSB in place (which I haven't looked around for yet). I'm probably going to have to wait till it gets worse before I bring it to them.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:55 PM   #20
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Feel for the bottom of the floor with your clutch foot before shifting into the next gear. Many times this happens to me on any car with a manual. My right arm pulls back before the clutch is fully disengaged. So your clutch foot is coming up before you can get to the next gear(even if its very slight). Or you get stuck in between gears. Timing is really the issue IMHO. I notice that when I feel the floor with my clutch foot even for a split second every time I shift. The shifter falls right in where it's suppossed to. Nice and smooth. Even hard quick shifts. This has been my experience with manuals in general. And I have been driving manuals daily for over 20 years.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:26 PM   #21
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i think its the car. had a test run in a friends 2010 m6,, 1000 miles on it. shifted into 2nd at about 5 grand,,not redline but running up to it. thought i was in 2nd let the clutch out,, got the grind. stopped,,tried a dead stop run again,,same thing,,,i,m 48,,,i,ve driven every standard vehicle from beer trucks to dump trucks to my own hot rods,,,etc since i was 15. wasnt me,,,its the car. maybe the skip shift,,,i got the A6 coming,,,daily driver.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:29 PM   #22
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I don't have any trouble at all 1st to 2nd, but 2nd to 3rd is a hit or miss nightmare for me.

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The dealer I bought it as is a small one and I have the only Camaro in town so I'm betting they probably wont know anything about it unless there is a TSB in place (which I haven't looked around for yet). I'm probably going to have to wait till it gets worse before I bring it to them.
I have the aftermarket Hurst and it does it also. And the stock did it before I swapped.

I have found that I have to slow down the speed of my shift from first to second, and give the motor RPM's time to come down a bit (4500-5K)before I pull it back into second or it will grind. 2nd to 3rd and so on are not a problem. Just 1st to 2nd. Stock shifter did same thing.
Simply put, me and the shifter are "out running" the tranny. This is the only car I have ever experienced this with.I can speed shift my old 89 ford F150 faster than this thing.

As for wearing out...I have 1k on the car.
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GT500's have tons of these issues. Something with the 6060 trans
the aisin-warner on the 6 has issues too!..i smell "bean counters" at work!
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