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Old 12-19-2008, 03:56 AM   #1
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Why are we paying MSRP?

Hey guys, I've been thinking about this for about a month now. Why MSRP? This is a buyers market right now, and since the fluctuating economy is on our side (automotive), then why?
I recently went to a ford dealer to ask about the 08 V8 mustang, and they offered the car @ 6k under msrp... so again, why MRSP for the Camaro??

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Old 12-19-2008, 04:06 AM   #2
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We are paying msrp plus thief fee because we want the first wave of cars produced.

Once the first 10K cars are built there will be excess inventory and that's when you will see the deep discounts.

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Old 12-19-2008, 06:08 AM   #3
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Dealership will ruin the sales before then so The Camaro will die before it goes two years
I have to disagree with your comment. I am sure that there will be dealarships which will charge MSRP + for their remaining allotment of Camaros for a short while. I think this will especially be true once you start to see a few on the street; however that won't last forever. Once the initial wave subsides the dealers will be forced to start negociating with the rest of the customer base who would like a Camaro in the first year or two, but refuses to pay MSRP or more. Just look at the Dodge Challanger. For a while they left the lots for MSRP + $5,000 to $10,000. I am sure you could get a good deal now though.
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:37 AM   #4
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There are some dealers around the D.C. area now selling the Challenger for a few hundred under MSRP, but it's still costlier than a comparably equipped SS.
There should be a greater number of Camaro V6s on lots and they will come down first, but it could be quite awhile until you'll find an SS for under MSRP, perhaps well into 2010....just a guess, and of course depending on the dealership/geographic area.
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:51 AM   #5
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As for paying MSRP, the Camaro is a very "hot item" as its been a HUGE success on the car show circuit, and as a result, people are (figuratively speaking) lining up to buy one.

As for dealer mark-ups,() there is NO reason to pay that! If you do a little shopping, you CAN find dealers who aren't charging a mark-up.

If I were buying a new Camaro right now, I'd shop for the best price, and if I had to pay MSRP, I'm not complaining.

As for the Mustang; its been around for a while now, there are ALOT sitting on dealer lots, and its not the "new kid on the block", re; Challenger and Camaro, so dealers are trying to do what they can to move them.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:24 AM   #6
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I'd consider checking out posts and threads by some members who work at dealerships on here, like CamaroScotty among a few others (I'm sorry to everyone else - I remember him to be among the first, from what I can remember and mean no disrespect to anyone else ). You should consider talking to any of them about pricing and such. Because they're active here, they're probably even more knowledgable than those that don't frequent sites like ours.

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Old 12-19-2008, 09:49 AM   #7
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We are paying msrp plus thief fee because we want the first wave of cars produced.
Don't forget the bond you guys will all from while sifting through the early production maintenance problems...that's got to be worth something.
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Don't forget the bond you guys will all from while sifting through the early production maintenance problems...that's got to be worth something.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:10 AM   #9
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So they can be the 1st to roll up Spring break at Port Aransas and have the chix
droolling all over the car and a full box of beads, bottle of Jack and a long night ahead. (no driving after the Jack is opened that's for later).

Anyway MSRP for this car is much more fair than some of the other models. Of course if inventory builds up THEN you can deal below. Otherwise if they are moving then MSRP or any specials they come up are par for course.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:37 AM   #10
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All one has to do is look at the Z06 and ZR1. Initially sold for THOUSANDS over MSRP and in the case if the ZR1 someimes as high as $20K over MSRP.

Guess what, both can be had for UNDER MSRP. So being able to buy a 2010 Camaro for MSRP is far better than paying OVER. No Chevy is worth MORE than MSRP.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:42 AM   #11
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No Chevy is worth MORE than MSRP.
No car period is worth over MSRP...I don't understand why people do it.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:55 AM   #12
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No car period is worth over MSRP...I don't understand why people do it.
Agreed. It was a little tough to swallow MSRP though. I have NEVER paid anywhere close to MSRP for a vehicle; in fact, I got almost $8k off the GTO sticker price when I bought (Smartbuy) it in September '04. I just gave it back on Wednesday. Bought an 02 Impala for a winter car in the meantime while I wait on the Camaro delivery. I'll just keep the Impala since I'll need a winter ride next November anyways and that way if family comes into town to visit during the "warm" months, I'll have a car they can borrow.

I assume you've ordered a Camaro. What did you get, and where, just out of curiosity?
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:31 PM   #13
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I am going to the Chevy dealer today to revise my order. I am still undecided on whether to buy it now or wait one more year. I am only 22y with a recently obtained ME degree so therefore I am not in a hurry. What are your thoughts?
MSRP Camaro or 2008-2009 for $6K under MSRP (the V8!)?
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:57 PM   #14
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Weel, if you can get a suppliers or employee discount then I'd say get it now.. If not, I would wait a year and get it at $6,000 below MSRP with perhaps a $2,000 dealer fee which is what the G8's are selling for now..
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:53 PM   #16
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No car period is worth over MSRP...I don't understand why people do it.


MSRP I don't like paying it , but due to the reintroduction of the Camaro and the second best looking Camaro (Still love Gen 1 the best) IMO and don't now how many will be build the cloud over GM, and my wife real wanted one the price for admissions was fair. my 2 cents
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:42 PM   #17
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I hope to pay 2-3k under MSRP when I order in 16-18 months, maybe dealers will negotiate by that time or lose another sale.
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:59 PM   #18
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I hope to pay 2-3k under MSRP when I order in 16-18 months, maybe dealers will negotiate by that time or lose another sale.
Depending on the trim and options, the difference between MSRP and invoice isn't this much. Pretty much the only way you'll get that much below MSRP is if GM offers rebates or sales.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:02 PM   #19
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I assume you've ordered a Camaro. What did you get, and where, just out of curiosity?
Nope. Won't be ordering for another 1.5-2 years. Have to finish school first.

At this point (subject to change) I'll probably be getting an IBM 2LT/RS M6...we'll see though. And my next car will be from West Herr Orchard Park; they've been great to me.

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MSRP I don't like paying it , but due to the reintroduction of the Camaro and the second best looking Camaro (Still love Gen 1 the best) IMO and don't now how many will be build the cloud over GM, and my wife real wanted one the price for admissions was fair. my 2 cents
Of course.

I don't mind paying MSRP. If *this* is what the car costs including all profit, etc...I'm not going to argue with that too much (maybe a couple hundred off), I'm all about fair is fair. I don't want to be ripped off, so I'm not going to rip them off if I can help it.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:11 PM   #20
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I have to disagree with your comment. I am sure that there will be dealarships which will charge MSRP + for their remaining allotment of Camaros for a short while. I think this will especially be true once you start to see a few on the street; however that won't last forever. Once the initial wave subsides the dealers will be forced to start negociating with the rest of the customer base who would like a Camaro in the first year or two, but refuses to pay MSRP or more. Just look at the Dodge Challanger. For a while they left the lots for MSRP + $5,000 to $10,000. I am sure you could get a good deal now though.
I test drove a Challenger SRT and the dealer told me "yesterday", that GM just came out that morning saying they were discontinuing the Camaro. After calling his bluff and making him look stupid along with his Sales Manager we went for a test drive. (he knew he did not have a sale.)

The sticker was 45600. I asked if the price was fixed, but he stated the end of year pricing he could get it reduced by a decent margin to close the deal. I told him I really wanted the Camaro, but good luck.

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because I promised MSRP with no added mark up back in July?
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yep after jetting the run around of MSRP plus from two other dealers I sat down with one who didn't have all the details turn them to Camaro5.com they got informed and a few days latter guaranteed us MSRP. confirmed are order and we join the sight and the rest is history. Knowing the dealer needs to pay bill the same as I a little profit doesn't bother me as long as they don't to take me to the cleaner. If I haven't said it before this sight rocks.

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You have to put yourself on the assembly line, dealership, driving the truck, train crew, supplier, service techs etc.

How is that supposed to happen for little to no profit? There has to be a sanity level and sanity says going under MSRP will not let the Camaro thrive and stay in production. As well as future models and life of the entire Fbody future.

Either it can make some cash or it's not worth it. So just a reality check.

If you hear some idiot from Washington make sup 1% rates that means it's a banker talking and not a retail person trying to make payroll on chickenfeed profit.
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Old 12-20-2008, 12:58 PM   #24
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It's a valid question...should we still pay MSRP for the pre-orders?, but I think it's fair. When the Camaro is released, the prices will still go up as there will be a demand. The enthusiast are going to buy now. then when the cards start getting delivered, the emotional buyers will come in. It will all be supply and demand. MSRP is a fair price to guarantee the exact order you want, without a markup, that we do know will happen.
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I hope to pay 2-3k under MSRP when I order in 16-18 months, maybe dealers will negotiate by that time or lose another sale.

With the state of the economy the way it is, there will be a ton of Camaro's sitting on lots about 12 months after the car hits the dealerships. Yes, there will be a demand of the new Camaro's for the first few months, but that will quickly die down (yes, it definately will).
Anyone willing to wait a little while you should have no trouble getting a Camaro for under MSRP.
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