Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
PFYC
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-29-2010, 08:27 PM   #1
ilovehooters1385
 
ilovehooters1385's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 191
Talking KOOKS vs DT vs SW vs ARH

just a couple question if some knowledgable ppl could pm me

have a 3" magnaflow catback already

THANX!

long tube headers only thanx
__________________
2010 SS RS A6 20% tint Black K&N CAI Magnaflow Comp series 3" catback
FOR SALE
ilovehooters1385 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 09:12 PM   #2
srb8
 
srb8's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Yellow 2ss RS, auto, sunroof
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 74
I'm having Kooks 1 7/8 LT's installed when they get here. Choice for me was between Kooks and ARH. Kooks is on the G8 so I stayed with them.
__________________

Solo Mach XL, Kooks 1 7/8 LT's, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Dyno tune by Modern Muscle, Oswego IL
369 rwhp, 389 rwtq
srb8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 09:22 PM   #3
caverman


 
caverman's Avatar
 
Drives: '69 SS Convertible
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 6,992
So what are your questions?
__________________
-2010 Camaro 2SS | M6 | VR w/White Stripes | 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow | LPE 3.91 gears | ADM tuned | Halltech w/ADM Scoop | Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod | BC Coilovers| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars | Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings | VMax TB | Morimoto Projectors | MGW shifter | Red Calipers
Build Journal
caverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 09:32 PM   #4
zirotti
 
zirotti's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 400
Why, at first glance at sites, do ARH look to be about double the price of Kooks?
zirotti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 09:46 PM   #5
caverman


 
caverman's Avatar
 
Drives: '69 SS Convertible
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 6,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by zirotti View Post
Why, at first glance at sites, do ARH look to be about double the price of Kooks?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101391

So that they can give away some fuse box covers with the left over profit.....


Just kidding.....but I had to. That was my initial thought when I saw that thread.



In all reality they aren't double by any means. They might be a few hundred more. You need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples when looking at prices. ARH sells a few different combinations with thier headers and x-pipes. When you compare just the headers and connection pipes between both companies they are actually pretty close in price although from my research the KOOKS are typically cheaper.

Both seem to be great companies with quality headers. Both seem to have great customer service as well. You really can't make a bad choice between either one.
__________________
-2010 Camaro 2SS | M6 | VR w/White Stripes | 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow | LPE 3.91 gears | ADM tuned | Halltech w/ADM Scoop | Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod | BC Coilovers| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars | Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings | VMax TB | Morimoto Projectors | MGW shifter | Red Calipers
Build Journal
caverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 11:10 PM   #6
JJ2010

 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Smithfield,NC
Posts: 1,205
I have Kooks Headers....
JJ2010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 11:38 PM   #7
Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Southwestspeed.net

 
Ivan @ Southwest Speed's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 2SS/RS, '96 Z28
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Rio Rancho, NM
Posts: 11,374
I guess I'll answer the question the best I can since....well...I've had all three on our SS.

Anthony @ ARH sells their his LT's direct here as well and you can get their LT's for around $800. Great product. Made in America by Americans. Hell yeah.

Brandon at Maryland Speed is the go to guy for Kooks (everybody knows he'll take a deeper discount when you call on them as well.) They are advertised at $913 on his site, but even if/when he takes another $100 bucks off, they're still right around $800.

He also has the SW Headers at $919....same deal. Prolly no less than $800 even with a deep discount.

Then there are Doug Thorley's which sell everywhere for $650.

RPM Inc. did a comparison with the smaller 1 3/4" Doug Thorley's against the larger 1 7/8" Brand A Headers.

When you can get MORE POWER for around a couple hundred bucks less.....it's a tough call to justify the extra money in my opinion.

I'm a customer too and when it comes to my money, I like to do my homework. We appreciate value and that's why we sell the heck out of these headers.

Our bond is with the Customer.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Attached Images
 
Ivan @ Southwest Speed is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2010, 11:44 PM   #8
zirotti
 
zirotti's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 400
Hey Ivan, are those ST or LT that were tested from Doug Thorley?

Also, assuming I buy a pair of LTs, what all is needed to match up to my Corsa cat-back? High-flow cats and that is it?
zirotti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 12:17 AM   #9
Atti2de
Móderator
 
Atti2de's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS/RS
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 1,562
What no dynatech headers?
__________________
I'm not the one with the Atti2de problem it's everyone else that has a problem with my Atti2de!
Atti2de is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 01:28 AM   #10
Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Southwestspeed.net

 
Ivan @ Southwest Speed's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 2SS/RS, '96 Z28
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Rio Rancho, NM
Posts: 11,374
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atti2de View Post
What no dynatech headers?
?? May as well include LG's then too.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by zirotti View Post
Hey Ivan, are those ST or LT that were tested from Doug Thorley?

Also, assuming I buy a pair of LTs, what all is needed to match up to my Corsa cat-back? High-flow cats and that is it?
Long Tubes sir.

Nothing at all is needed to connect the DT LT's to your Catback. Everything is included with the kits we sell.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Ivan @ Southwest Speed is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 01:39 AM   #11
MarylandSpeed



 
MarylandSpeed's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 ZL1 & 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 2,557
Well first off, it has to be an apples to apples comparison. Listed above are the prices for JUST the header. Kooks, ARH, or SW will require some kind of connection pipe, so they cost a little more.

DT's are nice because they are cheap and decent quality. They come coated and bolt to pretty much anything without having to buy extra mid pipes.

That being said they are coated because they are mild steel. I would much rather have an uncoated stainless header than a coated plain steel one. All it takes on a mild steel header one scrap, or something where rust starts, and it peels the coating back like paint off a wall. Do a search for coated Pacesetters on LS1Tech and you will see what I mean. Additionally, DT only comes in 1 3/4" and with no cats. Almost everyone who calls us looking for headers wants 1 7/8" and cats. I know DT is working on a 1 7/8" Tri-Y with cats, but I am willing to bet that ends up running $800-$1000, which makes them not much cheaper than Kooks.

As for the dynosheet posted above..man o man that is a tough one. I am not really sure how to respond to that. My initial thought is that it does not make sense. The DT header should *maybe* if lucky have a little more TQ down low than whatever the other header was. However a 1 7/8" header should, and always WILL make more HP than a 1 3/4" header because the larger primary can flow the maximum exhaust output of the engine better up top. I have been in this now 7 years and that is pretty much a constant. There are some other variables to. Did the other header system have cats? Why did the LT dyno run start almost a 1000 RPM later than the DT run.

I mean I realize arguing the dynosheet thing is silly. As a vendor, no matter what you do dyno wise, people will question the results. That's why when I did my earlier dynotest on the predator I made it a point to do multiple runs in the same setup and really document things. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106919
__________________
www.marylandspeed.com * 443-730-9428 * Great Prices and Experienced Service!

MarylandSpeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 01:56 AM   #12
BlaSSt Off
 
BlaSSt Off's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS/RS
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 587
I went with Kooks with high flow cats from Maryland Speed. Customer service was awsome and the girl on the phone was ok with me being from Texas and having Cage The Elephant as my ringback tone. LOL

When I got the headers in, I opened them up and WOW! Those things are a piece of auto art! SUPER EASY to install and sound awsome. I would say go ahead and spend the money to gt a good set of headers now and not have to worry about the quality instead of taking a chance on a cheap set and having to worry about getting a new set down the road because they are rusting. Go ahead and call Maryland Speed and get an awsome price for the Kooks and get them on the way. The only down fall is that they use UPS instead of FedEx Ground.
BlaSSt Off is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 02:20 AM   #13
Mindz
E.B.A.H.
 
Mindz's Avatar
 
Drives: you wild...
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In the happy padded room wearing a jacket that makes me hug myself...
Posts: 17,910
Missing JBA from the list too. =)
__________________
"J, you're my favorite Pokemod" ~Revo1
Mindz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:04 AM   #14
Anthony@ARH
 
Drives: Black s2000, 749 ducati dark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 111
If the question is who has an option to work with your 3" catback I have it. If you would like more information please let me know.

Thanks
Anthony
ARH
631.608.1986
Anthony@ARH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:30 AM   #15
Shrek
 
Shrek's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Westerville Ohio
Posts: 98
I have kooks and I love them
__________________
2013 Camaro ZL1 Black
Bone Stock
Shrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:44 AM   #16
caverman


 
caverman's Avatar
 
Drives: '69 SS Convertible
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 6,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony@ARH View Post
If the question is who has an option to work with your 3" catback I have it. If you would like more information please let me know.

Thanks
Anthony
ARH
631.608.1986
The 3" Magnaflow cat-back has a 2.5" inlet.....so it will match up to pretty much all of the headers.

Unless you are buying a completee system the header Mfg will have (or at least should have) a connection pipe that will connect to a 2.5" inlet.
__________________
-2010 Camaro 2SS | M6 | VR w/White Stripes | 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow | LPE 3.91 gears | ADM tuned | Halltech w/ADM Scoop | Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod | BC Coilovers| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars | Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings | VMax TB | Morimoto Projectors | MGW shifter | Red Calipers
Build Journal
caverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:48 AM   #17
zirotti
 
zirotti's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 400
I have a Corsa cat-back which is 2.5", so pretty much everything should bolt up (I imagine).
zirotti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:49 AM   #18
caverman


 
caverman's Avatar
 
Drives: '69 SS Convertible
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 6,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan @ Southwest Speed View Post
Anthony @ ARH sells their his LT's direct here as well and you can get their LT's for around $800. Great product. Made in America by Americans. Hell yeah.
Does that $800 include a connection pipe?

That's the cheapest I've heard of a an ARH go for. Pretty much every where I looked at ARH they watned $1,400 for the header with the HF cats. Even if you back off $300 for the cats that's still about $1,100.

If you can truley get the ARH for about $1,100 ($800 header + $300 HF Cat) then that is a great deal!
__________________
-2010 Camaro 2SS | M6 | VR w/White Stripes | 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow | LPE 3.91 gears | ADM tuned | Halltech w/ADM Scoop | Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod | BC Coilovers| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars | Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings | VMax TB | Morimoto Projectors | MGW shifter | Red Calipers
Build Journal
caverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 08:52 AM   #19
2010 2-Tone


 
2010 2-Tone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Jennings, La.
Posts: 2,288
I looked at ARH but didn't see them anywhere for $800.00 I went with the coated Kooks from Branden at Maryland Speed. Thanks Caverman for the info and advise!!!
__________________

-Custom Stripes, Eibach Drop Springs
-MagnaFlow 3" Catback with X pipe
-ADM CAI-Street Version, SLP 160 T-Stat
-Ragin Racin Custom Tune
-Kooks LT Coated Headers, Heritage Grille
-Barton Short Throw Shifter
-Slotted & Dimpled Rotors
-Powercoated Calipers by Mike
-Hawk Ceramic Pads
-Painted Roof
-Painted Gills & Back Panel
-3-M Clear Bra, AAC Plasma DRL's
404rwhp and 403tq
2010 2-Tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 09:08 AM   #20
caverman


 
caverman's Avatar
 
Drives: '69 SS Convertible
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 6,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2010 2-Tone View Post
Thanks Caverman for the info and advise!!!
No problem.....I just pass along the info that I've gained from doing all my research.

Let us know what you think once you get it all installed.
__________________
-2010 Camaro 2SS | M6 | VR w/White Stripes | 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow | LPE 3.91 gears | ADM tuned | Halltech w/ADM Scoop | Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod | BC Coilovers| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars | Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings | VMax TB | Morimoto Projectors | MGW shifter | Red Calipers
Build Journal
caverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 09:53 AM   #21
Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Southwestspeed.net

 
Ivan @ Southwest Speed's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 2SS/RS, '96 Z28
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Rio Rancho, NM
Posts: 11,374
Quote:
Originally Posted by caverman View Post
Does that $800 include a connection pipe?
No, that's pretty much the lowest you'll find them for and they come pretty bare bones at that price. A deal for those just needing them for "off road" applications.

And yes, it is an interesting proposition to compare "apples to apples" and so forth when the OP asked specifics on this vs that vs those.

But it is what it is and that's what the OP asked for.

I think it would be awesome to have an ultimate comparo of pretty much all the header options on one car with the same conditions, but as Janetty's CAI test proved, it doesn't matter how much time and money is spent on great research like that, there will always be people who question the information.

We all respect Tim and know that he is a great guy in our community. A true asset. But even still, people get ugly about it and it's tough for any vendor/manufacturer/retailer to do those tests.

Keep the thread going, it's good for those who need more answers and want more information from all resources in my opinion.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed
Ivan @ Southwest Speed is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 12:07 PM   #22
MarylandSpeed



 
MarylandSpeed's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 ZL1 & 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 2,557
My personal feeling is that it is really impossible to test multiple parts on a given day and get good results. Our testing has shown if you do say 3 runs stock each 20 minutes apart, the car can lose 10-15 HP first run to last. At that point it needs to sit nearly an hour to get to where it was before. I prefer to test one part at a time with multiple runs installed, and not installed. Gives you a much more detailed data.
__________________
www.marylandspeed.com * 443-730-9428 * Great Prices and Experienced Service!

MarylandSpeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 02:31 PM   #23
Outlaw77

 
Outlaw77's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS I.O.M. Camaro 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary AB, Canada
Posts: 825
hmm, interesting read. So what's the feedback on the Dynatech headers? I'm thinking of getting the JRE 415 rwhp package and they come with the DT 1 7/8 LT hearders. They look to be of decent qaulity.
Outlaw77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 03:14 PM   #24
ace2777
 
ace2777's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS Inferno Orange
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 383
Quote:
Originally Posted by zirotti View Post
Why, at first glance at sites, do ARH look to be about double the price of Kooks?
yep because they are made right here in the U.S.A.

like most things in the world you get what you pay for.
__________________
IOM 2SS / RS / LS3 / IO INTERIOR

VORTECH V3 SI SUPERCHARGER
JRE UPGRADE KIT
AMERICAN RACING HEADERS
SOLO MACH-X CAT BACK EXHAUST
JRE CUSTOM TUNE
EIBACH PRO SPRINGS AND SWAYS
CATCH CAN
604 RWHP / 547 TQ
ace2777 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2010, 04:11 PM   #25
Apex Chase

 
Apex Chase's Avatar
 
Drives: 2000 Camaro SS
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Louisville, Ky.
Posts: 22,154
We have been very impressed with the quality and performance Stainless Works long tube headers.

__________________
Apex Chase is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
kooks or arh headers rickjames Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 62 08-25-2010 09:24 PM
ARH vs Kooks headers mattc Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 61 07-18-2010 12:32 AM
ARH, Dynatech, or Kooks??? eynigush Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 58 03-07-2010 01:48 AM
Kooks & ARH SALE @ KY SPEED!!!!!!! FRCBobby V8 Bolt-Ons & Tunes 1 01-06-2010 02:46 PM
Exhaust Sale @ KY SPEED: Kooks, ARH, Magnaflow FRCBobby V8 Bolt-Ons & Tunes 0 10-07-2009 09:08 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.