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Old 09-30-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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Camaro Pulls 1.4 Gs - Wins Supercar Shootout

Camaro 1:33.6
Saleen Mustang 1:33.9







The information from the data logging equipment is fascinating.

Camaro Actual 1:33.62 Theoretical 1:33.10
Saleen Actual 1.33.89 Theoretical 1.33.87


Camaro and Saleen COMBINED THEORETICAL 1.32.78

Top Speed Camaro 110.26 Top Speed Saleen 112.74

Maximum Lateral G Camaro 1.4053 Saleen 1.2633

Maximum Power Output kW Camaro 219.13 Saleen 224.03

Maximum Toque Output Nm Camaro 794.23 Saleen 820.79

Braking Gs Camaro -1.2019 Saleen -1.2869

What we learned from the Supercar Shootout

Power: The Saleen makes better power in the heat than the LS3 Camaro. On the dyno the Mustang looked like a weak little sister. On the track the Mustang kicked sand in the face of the LS3. The results would be very different on a cooler day as the Camaro would run closer to the dyno RWHP.

Brakes: The Saleen six piston 15" front brakes equipped with Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR2 pads rear were absolutely AWESOME. The harder we ran the better they performed. This is in stark contrast to the OE brakes on the GT. We'll take the Camaro SS front and rear Brembos all day long. The CTS-V brakes suffered from our pad selection. I choose Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR3 pads rear. The XR3 compound was too mild creating brake bias issues and hurting the performance of the CTS-V brakes. With XR2 compound pads in the rear we believe the brakes would have been a dead heat with both in the EXCELLENT range.

IRS vs. Live Axle: This is a no brainer, no contest Camaro smack down. Even though the Mustang out braked and out accelerated the Camaro the Camaro beat the Mustang around Gingerman. We did everything we could to balance the Mustang with the three arms rear axle and limited suspension travel. We did achieve a ridiculous level of front to rear and cross weight balance. There was a price to be paid. The ride height setup limited the Saleen’s ability to put down power coming out of the corners. The next time out we will run with SOFTER rear coils that are taller leaving more room for the solid axle to work. That will improve the times on the Saleen.

Tires: We knew the Bridgestone RE-11s were good, yet they always surprise us with the amount of stick, grip and feel. Both the Saleen and the Camaro were equipped with Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19 front and rear running on custom offset Frogeline ultra light weight racing wheels. They are incredibly consistent and we feel the best combination track street tire available in the market.

Summary: The Camaro won this event. 3/10s of a second on a 1.88 mile course is close on one lap. Over twenty laps it would add up to a substantial victory. That would have been the case on this test day IF the cars remained consistent and don't fade as the laps accumulate. They do so the question would be which one would fade less. We will leave that to you to decide.

Every time we test or go to the track we win because we learn more. The setup on the Mustang will be different the next time out and faster. How am I certain, because we are already running it. The Camaro will have the brakes sorted and be faster as well. That means we plan to pass the Ford GT and the average time of the TOP TEN T1 cars that run at Gingerman in STREET CARS with STREET TIRES.

Other companies tell you they have this race car or they test a car in a vacuum. Pedders puts it all out in the Camaro5 forum the benefit of the Camaro5 community. We show you step by step how to install CTS-V brakes, walk you through thermal management and event provide detail on exactly how our cars have been setup. We are an open book. We also just happen to have the BEST HANDLING AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR SUSPENSIONS ON THE STREET OR TRACK and the RIDE QUALITY IS AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THE SPECTACULAR LAP TIMES!
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:51 PM   #2
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Amazing results Pete!!!

It's awesome to finally see the results of the shootout.
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:54 PM   #3
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That was close!
I see you're biting at the heels of some pretty exotic cars!

Congratulations, you guys are a great asset to the community
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:30 PM   #5
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:55 PM   #6
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Finally the results are posted. Nice win for the camaro. Both cars looked very strong out there. Great competition and that is what makes it fun!
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Make the HP equal and then see what happens.
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Make the HP equal and then see what happens.
It isn't about RWHP. The Saleen Mustang won that battle. The Saleen Mustang also out braked the Camaro. The Saleen Mustang had a higher top speed and won that too.

The Saleen Mustang lost in the corners because of the solid rear axle. This is interesting because the Mustang is lighter and had more tire contact patch per pound. As I said, wait till next time as we have already made revisions to make it faster

We also are tweaking those Camaro brake pads so it will be faster too.
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Nice first post /\

Thanks for the testing Pete! I know you guys put a lot of time into this in the attempt to come up with realistic results. Better than seeing people argue over dyno results. Kudos to all of you guys at Pedders and the driver of the the cars.
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Old 10-01-2010, 12:22 AM   #10
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That Camaro must have had the "new" end links!

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That Camaro must have had the "new" end links!

It did. The track is part of the testing that I like. The daily driving is awesome. The part I don't like is aiming for that giant pot hole..
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Old 10-01-2010, 01:16 PM   #12
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Nice to see the results finally.

It would come down to the driver of each car being the biggest difference if the cars are that close.

Too bad for Ford - you would need the top of the line Saleen Mustang to be close to an everyday pedderized/Procharged Camaro SS.

Where's that leave the Base Mustang GT? WAAAY back there someplace...

We all know Cool people drive Camaro's... Mustangs? not so much.
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Old 10-01-2010, 11:32 PM   #13
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what about GTO's? geees.... lol
i need a new car.
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great information...

you guys really seem to be leading the way for displaying your products perfomace.

what are the specs and weights of your wheels if you dont mind me asking...
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Hey pete, im sure you have the weights of those wheels....
are you able to share?
or are they TOP SECRET?

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great information...

you guys really seem to be leading the way for displaying your products perfomace.

what are the specs and weights of your wheels if you dont mind me asking...
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Hey pete, im sure you have the weights of those wheels....
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Approximately 23 pounds.
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We have been working with Lignefelter o to get their MONSTER drag Camaro to hook with our Supercar coilovers. They are HOOKING NOW!



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Thanks Speedster, we switched to Pedders suspension and have been "tweaking" on the car to get the right set up. Plus getting our driver, Jon Ebert, more seat time in the car.

All the best
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Supercar coilovers and Pedders bushes work just as well in not better on the DRAG strip.
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Approximately 23 pounds.

Thats great...
34 pound savings just in the wheels!

nice 60' btw...
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