GT-R > Viper ACR @ 1/4 mile

[diddiyo]

http://jalopnik.com/5115693/nissan-g...-on-drag-strip

"In an indisputable victory for technology over brute force, this video shows the Nissan GT-R laying down a seriously impressive 11.12 second 1/4 mile time, easily outpacing a Dodge Viper ACR."

[GatorBlue371]

is it just me, or does it LOOK like the viper won....



ps. that GTR isnt Stock... not sure why a modded car beating a stock car proves anything

[Camaro_Corvette]

I haven't been a fan of the newer vipers, I used to like them. I just don't know when I stopped liking Vipers but I just do. I'm gonna guess it is when the C6 came out, probably in and around that time. Impressive run for the GTR though, wonder what he's running in that thing to pull an 11.1

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

is it just me, or does it LOOK like the viper won....

I can't watch the video again since i'm back at work but i believe the viper pulled a 11.85. It was a staged race i believe, the GTR started a little bit after the viper did.

[MCPOAJ]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

is it just me, or does it LOOK like the viper won....



ps. that GTR isnt Stock... not sure why a modded car beating a stock car proves anything

it did win and both lights did go green at the same time the gtr needs a driver mod the "launch" special edition cause the rest of the run was all foot to the floor

[zebra]

i doubt it would do that without the "epic fail" button

[GrnMchin]

Was a heads up race with no time delay from what I watched and the GT-R needs to work on the reaction time. The Vipers hole shot was the reason it won. Would like to know more the video never tells the whole story engine mod and such.

[Georgie]

i would take the viper, no question. i'm not going to pay 80K for a V6 with turbos even if it is a split second faster. the viper looks much meaner, has a monster engine and of course

[The_Blur]

Firstly, the Viper ACR is just a better car. Saying that technology won the race is simply not the way to go. Technology creates better cars. In this case, technology created a more aerodynamic, attractive Viper with better numbers that may or may not have lost.

Secondly, the GT-R can't do that without the warranty-voiding launch control feature. :middlefinger:

Thirdly, the Viper driver is clearly superior. A launch that late for the GT-R may as well be a forfeit. I want to see a rematch.

Fourthly, the Viper crossed the line first. Why doesn't that matter?

Fifthly, that Nissan probably has an aftermarket tranny from blowing the first one using the epic fail button.

Sixthly, the fact that there is a red R on a Japanese car automatically adds 200 hp and significantly improves its quarter mile time. This shouldn't have been a race at all. There's simply no excuse for a car with a red R on it to be that close. It should have been an instant win, so this counts as a moral loss for Nissan.

Lastly, your dealer still sucks. Even though this thread has nothing to do with dealers, it is abundantly clear that your dealer is an idiot.

[kevin2323]

brute force with a good driver will win.....screw technology....especially if it craps on you all the time....and then cost u 20k to replace.

GTR still is and will always be an epic fail to me.

[GatorBlue371]

If the GTR was really as good as the rice pickers would lead us to believe, everyone would be saving their money to buy one instead of hating it.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

If the GTR was really as good as the rice pickers would lead us to believe, everyone would be saving their money to buy one instead of hating it.

they gotta save an extra 20k for the inevitable tranny replacement when it blows up.

[Shadowsong]

You guys do know that the GT-R can and does rip out 11.xx times WITHOUT launch control....right? A few mods, hell just a tune and it is low 11's, breaking 10's WITH launch control... Why does everyone think this is a terrible car again?

Oh yeah, ignorance and misinformation instead of doing research, that's right. My bad.

I forgot this was an American car forum, therefor:

Japanese = bad car
Anything that isn't a v8 = bad car
Turbo = bad


/Rant off.

Yes, the viper is a nice performance car, but imo it is ugly as SIN. That and the ACR has NO CREATURE COMFORTS AT ALL. The GT-R has a FULL interior, radio, A/C and all kinds of other electronic gizmos. The fact that a car with all the creature comforts and more, can even run a 1/4 anywhere close to that of a stripped down racecar is an amazing feat, but in the video the GT-R manages a FASTER time.... yet people still bag on it.... See above rules for American car forum I suppose....

/Flame suit on.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

You guys do know that the GT-R can and does rip out 11.xx times WITHOUT launch control....right? A few mods, hell just a tune and it is low 11's, breaking 10's WITH launch control... Why does everyone think this is a terrible car again?

Oh yeah, ignorance and misinformation instead of doing research, that's right. My bad.

I forgot this was an American car forum, therefor:

Japanese = bad car
Anything that isn't a v8 = bad car
Turbo = bad


/Rant off.

Yes, the viper is a nice performance car, but imo it is ugly as SIN. That and the ACR has NO CREATURE COMFORTS AT ALL. The GT-R has a FULL interior, radio, A/C and all kinds of other electronic gizmos. The fact that a car with all the creature comforts and more, can even run a 1/4 anywhere close to that of a stripped down racecar is an amazing feat, but in the video the GT-R manages a FASTER time.... yet people still bag on it.... See above rules for American car forum I suppose....

/Flame suit on.

First off, may i start by saying i have not one, but TWO friends who actually own a GTR. So you can STFU about 'ignorance'. I know more about the car than you could ever pretend to.

Second, "In my opinion" whoever sold you that ugly mustang robbed you.

Third, if you want to compare 1/4 times than you should compare them with a GT500, which will blow 10's with much less than 80k+ . But if speed wasn't your argument, then id remind you that same ACR beat it on a track.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Oh yeah, ignorance and misinformation instead of doing research, that's right. My bad.

I'm not a fan of either car. Both are absurdly expensive and overrated. How many times did Vipers break down when being tested against Lingenfelter Vettes, Porches, etc? Often enough that I have memory of laughing at it in more than one article.

The GTR...well...yeah it's fast...for $80k it better be. And whether we want to admit it or not, it will not survive too many of those launches.

I'm a Nissan fanboy and a Supra fanatic thanks to having great experiences with both cars in my life. My soul is that of the Camaro and always has been, but I've been around the block. I can respect the amazing technology in the GTR, but I can't give it so much credit that I think it would hold up producing 100% all the time and live to tell about it. Vipers aren't much better.

Give me a Corvette any day. Hell even the GT500 over both of those "supercars".

[ihc95]

Firstly, Stop all this bitchin around

Ok. I do believe that the GT-R has legitimately won that race. I think the times were based on when the cars started to move. If you look closely, the Viper started a lot earlier and by the end of the run they were neck and neck. Also the Viper is a strict track car and is geared VERY TALL. Thats why it lost. The normal Viper is a bit faster on the straits and should've come closer to the GT-R in that race. Also technology does sometimes beat brute force.

Ex. Bugatti Veyron, 1001hp, 4500lbs = 0-60 in 2.46 sec
SSC Ultimate Aero, 1184hp, ~2800lbs = 0-60 in 2.73 sec

The Veyron has computers move all the power around the car for optimal traction. The GT-R does the same:

Ex. Nissan GT-R, 480hp, 3800lbs, = 0-60 in 3.3
Ferrari 599 GTB, 620hp, 3800lbs, = 0-60 in 3.7

[Shadowsong]

Originally Posted by ihc95

Firstly, Stop all this bitchin around

Ok. I do believe that the GT-R has legitimately won that race. I think the times were based on when the cars started to move....

Its like that at any dragstrip.

[Nexus6]

where i come from when the lights turn green and you cross the finish line second,that makes you the first loser

[z28camaro2471]

Sure it ran a faster time but he still LOST!

:middlefinger:

I'll take a new Vette AND a new SS Camaro and still spend less $ (well maybe a little more).

:middlefinger:

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas!!

[Jamestwilliams]

Originally Posted by ihc95

Firstly, Stop all this bitchin around

Ok. I do believe that the GT-R has legitimately won that race. I think the times were based on when the cars started to move. If you look closely, the Viper started a lot earlier and by the end of the run they were neck and neck. Also the Viper is a strict track car and is geared VERY TALL. Thats why it lost. The normal Viper is a bit faster on the straits and should've come closer to the GT-R in that race. Also technology does sometimes beat brute force.

Ex. Bugatti Veyron, 1001hp, 4500lbs = 0-60 in 2.46 sec
SSC Ultimate Aero, 1184hp, ~2800lbs = 0-60 in 2.73 sec

The Veyron has computers move all the power around the car for optimal traction. The GT-R does the same:

Ex. Nissan GT-R, 480hp, 3800lbs, = 0-60 in 3.3
Ferrari 599 GTB, 620hp, 3800lbs, = 0-60 in 3.7

Yeah but outside of drag racing 0-60 means nothing and the GT-R can't touch an ACR, ZR1 or Ferrari 599 GTB at high speed acceleration.

[Georgie]

that's why i like the viper. big a-- american metal under the hood, no computers (i'm not playing metal gear solid or doing my taxes here) and wicked one of a kind styling:



now imagine if you put forced induction in that beast!

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

You guys do know that the GT-R can and does rip out 11.xx times WITHOUT launch control....right? A few mods, hell just a tune and it is low 11's, breaking 10's WITH launch control... Why does everyone think this is a terrible car again?

Oh yeah, ignorance and misinformation instead of doing research, that's right. My bad.

I forgot this was an American car forum, therefor:

Japanese = bad car
Anything that isn't a v8 = bad car
Turbo = bad


/Rant off.

Yes, the viper is a nice performance car, but imo it is ugly as SIN. That and the ACR has NO CREATURE COMFORTS AT ALL. The GT-R has a FULL interior, radio, A/C and all kinds of other electronic gizmos. The fact that a car with all the creature comforts and more, can even run a 1/4 anywhere close to that of a stripped down racecar is an amazing feat, but in the video the GT-R manages a FASTER time.... yet people still bag on it.... See above rules for American car forum I suppose....

/Flame suit on.

you couldn't be more wrong about this forum... there are several of us who are either current import owners or former import owners... and I'm one of them... not only that, but I'm a former SCCA driver who used to drive an import, so I think I can safely talk crap about any and all cars that are made on the planet earth... and having driven more cars than most people have even thought about, I'm pretty qualified to talk about alot of vehicles on several levels... and the reason I hate on the GTR is because its false advertisement... they padded the numbers, have a "void warranty" button and lie about the car's horsepower... which, honestly, is a good thing... but its still a lie... and that lie keeps people talking about the car as if it has 480hp, when we all know its over 500hp at the flywheel... and since there are a ton of morons on the internet who think its cool to be stupid and talk crap with the false numbers, I hate on those morons, too.

and if turbos are so bad, why do we love the HHR SS and the Cobalt SS? they're both turbo cars and we rave about them... they're performance bargains and I would completely own one if they got better gas mileage than my '99 FRC.

which brings me to why we love the V8 so much on this forum: its big, powerful and efficient... even the Mustang GT is more efficient, overall, then its V6 variant... they're more fun, they sound better and its just plain cool to have one... not to mention they're usually top of the line, and, well, top of the line is fun to have/drive... in 1989, the Anniversary Edition Trans Ams had turbocharged 3.8L V6s in them... and those were the top of the line TAs at the time... and you know what, those WERE cool cars and STILL ARE cool cars... and look at that, they're V6s with TURBOS.

when the first generation Viper GTS stopped production, the Viper, IMO, quit being beautiful... they might be faster than they've ever been, they might better built than they ever were before and they might be the best handling versions to date, but the current SRT model Vipers are just not pretty... I just can't get into the edgy look... snakes are curved and coiled animals, and the original Vipers had that look.

[Nexus6]

Originally Posted by Georgie

that's why i like the viper. big a-- american metal under the hood, no computers (i'm not playing metal gear solid or doing my taxes here) and wicked one of a kind styling:



now imagine if you put forced induction in that beast!

ask and you shall receive

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-TT_174129.htm

[ihc95]

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

you couldn't be more wrong about this forum... there are several of us who are either current import owners or former import owners... and I'm one of them... not only that, but I'm a former SCCA driver who used to drive an import, so I think I can safely talk crap about any and all cars that are made on the planet earth... and having driven more cars than most people have even thought about, I'm pretty qualified to talk about alot of vehicles on several levels... and the reason I hate on the GTR is because its false advertisement... they padded the numbers, have a "void warranty" button and lie about the car's horsepower... which, honestly, is a good thing... but its still a lie... and that lie keeps people talking about the car as if it has 480hp, when we all know its over 500hp at the flywheel... and since there are a ton of morons on the internet who think its cool to be stupid and talk crap with the false numbers, I hate on those morons, too.

They dont at all have false numbers. Nissan claims 0-60 in 3.5. Motortrend got 3.2. Even Roadandtrack, Edmunds, and Caranddriver with their shity drivers got under 3.5. Also, Nissan recorded and official lap time of 7:38 on the Nurburgring for the GT-R. But a couple of engineers went to do a couple of flying laps for fun and got 7:29. And 480hp is accurate. The GTR has extremely minimal drivetrain loss wheras Motortrend calculated their 507hp using a 15% drivetrain loss.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by ihc95

They dont at all have false numbers. Nissan claims 0-60 in 3.5. Motortrend got 3.2. Even Roadandtrack, Edmunds, and Caranddriver with their shity drivers got under 3.5. Also, Nissan recorded and official lap time of 7:38 on the Nurburgring for the GT-R. But a couple of engineers went to do a couple of flying laps for fun and got 7:29. And 480hp is accurate. The GTR has extremely minimal drivetrain loss wheras Motortrend calculated their 507hp using a 15% drivetrain loss.

how about without launch control?

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by ihc95

They dont at all have false numbers. Nissan claims 0-60 in 3.5. Motortrend got 3.2. Even Roadandtrack, Edmunds, and Caranddriver with their shity drivers got under 3.5. Also, Nissan recorded and official lap time of 7:38 on the Nurburgring for the GT-R. But a couple of engineers went to do a couple of flying laps for fun and got 7:29. And 480hp is accurate. The GTR has extremely minimal drivetrain loss wheras Motortrend calculated their 507hp using a 15% drivetrain loss.

I thought 15% would be about right for an AWD car?