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Old 10-22-2010, 03:44 PM   #1
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The One and Only Car that Stands Between Me and a Future Z28....




so here's the deal. i love my camaro V6 dearly, yet i do have bigger plans in the future.....and this whole Z28 situation really has my eye. I always considered the Viper to be the end-all be-all. so i have a couple questions for you guys (basically opinion questions but up for discussion nonetheless)

1) will the Z28 be able to reasonably keep up with the Viper SRT10? (0-60 under 4 seconds, 560lb of torque, 600HP)
2) The Viper is much more expensive new (approaching 100k). do you think the Z28 at its price is the better buy, or is the Viper worth it for the performance (and rarity)?

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Old 10-22-2010, 03:51 PM   #2
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The Z/28 may struggle to keep up with the SRT10, it has a fairly significant weight problem to overcome.

The Z/28 is the better buy when it comes to every day driving/using, but the Viper is far more valuable and rare.
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Old 10-22-2010, 03:55 PM   #3
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and isn't this the last year of the viper??
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Old 10-22-2010, 03:57 PM   #4
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and isn't this the last year of the viper??
I was wondering this as well... Chrysler is still struggling to survive as far as I can tell and building the Viper just isn't part of a viable survival plan.:(
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:46 PM   #5
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The Viper has ended production for this generation.

It will be skipping the 2011 MY and will likely return for the 2012 MY
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:55 PM   #6
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i figured the Z28 would be way too big and heavy to keep up. i should probably revisit the topic when it comes out though....
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:01 PM   #7
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Only about 40 grand difference likely....
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:29 PM   #8
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so here's the deal. i love my camaro V6 dearly, yet i do have bigger plans in the future.....and this whole Z28 situation really has my eye. I always considered the Viper to be the end-all be-all. so i have a couple questions for you guys (basically opinion questions but up for discussion nonetheless)

1) will the Z28 be able to reasonably keep up with the Viper SRT10? (0-60 under 4 seconds, 560lb of torque, 600HP)
2) The Viper is much more expensive new (approaching 100k). do you think the Z28 at its price is the better buy, or is the Viper worth it for the performance (and rarity)?

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Old 10-22-2010, 09:01 PM   #10
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My brother has a viper...to expensive to enjoy driveing it (constantly babysitting the thing) , OOOOOBER expensive maintenance, and yup its got more balls BUT where can you really genuinely use them around town?? Brothers seriously getting ready to sell and buy a Camaro. Does the same donuts as a viper, power slides same as a viper, gets girls....same as a viper, except they are from trailer parks (Just a joke dont kill me). Get a Z-28 and use the extra to take it on a nice long drive!
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:46 PM   #11
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yea i would choose the Z28. the viper is definetly not a DD. i work for dodge and whenever they come in they end up spending at least $100 even if its just an oil change. vipers are really nice but you need to have lots of money to enjoy one.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:51 PM   #12
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you don't cross shop a Viper and a Z28.... does not make sense if you got the kinda cash to be able to afford a viper you wouldn't be asking...

you may cross shop a Z06 or ZR1 and a Viper.... or a Ford GT they are all in the same league... a z28 does not fit the bill.
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Old 10-23-2010, 04:54 AM   #13
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I beat a viper almost 3/4 the way down the 1/4 mile track I a 3 ton truck.
When I lunched on him and pulled by two lenths you could se the panic in his eyes. He started misshifting nut he did finally catch up to me.

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Old 10-23-2010, 06:01 AM   #14
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You're driving a 1LT and debating the tenths of seconds in performance and the big dollar gap between the Viper and the Z?

I like your goals! But to be more realistic, you could consider a used 2011 SS once they start hitting the market.

I sure love the snake, but others have mentioned the maintenance. You could also go after a used Viper too. They don't always have the creature comforts of the Camaro, note.
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Old 10-23-2010, 06:26 PM   #15
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No offence just personal opinion, . . . Viper is really fugly and has huge understeer problems, I drove one and it was mildly better than driving a brick through a tight corner. Viper apears tapered on both ends, . . like a, . . well, . never mind.
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Old 10-23-2010, 06:29 PM   #16
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Hi, guys. This is my first post. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I came to this site because the Z28 is looking like its gonna be a great performer, and I'd like to replace my 06 Mustang GT. So I'm a Z28 fan, and hopefully will soon be a Z28 owner.

About Vipers- I've had a GTS since 2001, have about 48,000 miles on it, about a third of that in track driving. Everybody has a story to tell, third hand, whatever, but my personal experience is that they hold up well on the track, under heavy duty usage. Of course, we end up modifying them to do better, bigger brakes, Accusumps, etc, etc. So the only expenses I've really had is only because of the desire to make it even better. Then there was the heads/cam/headers/exhaust. That really soaked up some dough. But aside from mods, as far as normal maintenance, all I have had to do is brake pads and oil changes. I did the plugs once too. So its not like they eat you out of house and home, like having the timing belts changed on your 430 Scuderia. For the most part, Vipers are durable, simple cars.

I'd drive my Viper everyday, but I work sometimes on construction sites, and sometimes work in ugly parts of Los Angeles, and its too nice to get thrashed. Right now, I'm kinda torn about even driving a Z28 to such places. My Mustang is paid off, and if the wife will let me keep it, maybe that will be the beater on days when I have to get dirty. You need different cars for different purposes, each has their place, their strong points, weak points, etc. Life is short, so have fun. Get the best you can afford, and dont regret the depreciation. Cars are a money pit anyway, a straight loss of capital.

Its a lot of fun to surprise M3s, M5s, and related smugness cars. Ok, not surprise, really, more like "utterly destroy". Feels good to drive American, and kick ass. Hey, I'm the first to say that German and Japanese cars have fantastic quality and engineering, and I really respect them. But to me, the whole world is the competition, and our job is to beat them with superior engineering and creativity. Thats partly why I want to drive a Z28. Looking forward to seeing the Ring times.
Here's the ultimate arbiter of all bench racing, Nurburgring laptimes, the Green Hell, the worlds most demanding and tricky racetrack. Opinions aside, the laptimes tell the truth-
www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
FWIW, the GTS that you see doing a 8:10 on the Ring was a Euro spec model, with only 375 hp. The current Viper ACR is faster around the Ring than any production Ferrari, even the million dollar Enzo. The "Ring" is where we go to show the world that American cars aren't just boats that cant go around corners. We're doing a much better job of that these days. If the Z28 can post a decent Ring time, it will gain respect worldwide.

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Old 10-23-2010, 06:37 PM   #17
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@ Z28 Rock Star,
Hey, looks like that one puppy between your legs has really taken a liking to you! Heh heh! Just kidding, and just soes u know, we have Shi-Tzus, very lovable friends. More than a pet, they really become a part of the family.

I play to an audience of thousands of imaginary fans in my den, me on my my Strat, doing my best Hendrix impersonation. Some of the songs I play you could actually recognize! No time for a group, rehearsals, gigs. So for me its just a hobby. You actually do gigs?
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Old 10-23-2010, 11:38 PM   #18
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You're driving a 1LT and debating the tenths of seconds in performance and the big dollar gap between the Viper and the Z?
oh i didn't know 1lt's had leather ...?

2lt over here
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Old 10-23-2010, 11:41 PM   #19
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use the money for mods on the Z28 that you will save by buying the Z28 instead of the Viper and you will destroy that thing.
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Old 10-24-2010, 02:15 AM   #20
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oh i didn't know 1lt's had leather ...?

2lt over here
Either way, its a V6 so your probably not to worried about performance(I know, I know, the V6 has 312hp, ect, ect...). Thats a big jump going from a V6 to a Z28 or Viper. If you can afford it, go for the Viper. They are not going to build the Viper in 2011 but it is coming back for 2012 and will be pretty bad ass and also have a bad ass price tag. Vipers are great cars can be daily drivin with no problems, but if you want something fun to drive and more affordable, go for the Z. If your really wanting something as bad as the Viper, look for a ZR1 Vette!!!
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:58 AM   #21
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No offence just personal opinion, . . . Viper is really fugly and has huge understeer problems, I drove one and it was mildly better than driving a brick through a tight corner. Viper apears tapered on both ends, . . like a, . . well, . never mind.

The Viper handles better then the Camaro and there are no understeer problems. The GenIV's run low 11 second quarters with over 600 factory ponies. I own both and there is no comparison. If you were able to afford a Viper or ZR1 you would not be knocking it.
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The Viper handles better then the Camaro and there are no understeer problems. The GenIV's run low 11 second quarters with over 600 factory ponies. I own both and there is no comparison. If you were able to afford a Viper or ZR1 you would not be knocking it.
I dont think its about being able to afford one..... many of us can........ and chose to go with the Camaro as personal decisions.
Rather than a Viper I went with my 2SS and spent the rest on my other classic cars. It would appear that the ORIGINATOR of this thread CAN indeed afford one but is looking for feedback before he commits.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:14 PM   #23
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I dont think its about being able to afford one..... many of us can........ and chose to go with the Camaro as personal decisions.
Rather than a Viper I went with my 2SS and spent the rest on my other classic cars. It would appear that the ORIGINATOR of this thread CAN indeed afford one but is looking for feedback before he commits.
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That came across as a very pompous comment.
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Old 10-24-2010, 04:38 PM   #24
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Either way, its a V6 so your probably not to worried about performance(I know, I know, the V6 has 312hp, ect, ect...). Thats a big jump going from a V6 to a Z28 or Viper. If you can afford it, go for the Viper. They are not going to build the Viper in 2011 but it is coming back for 2012 and will be pretty bad ass and also have a bad ass price tag. Vipers are great cars can be daily drivin with no problems, but if you want something fun to drive and more affordable, go for the Z. If your really wanting something as bad as the Viper, look for a ZR1 Vette!!!
well, basically what happened is my job situation has changed drastically (for the better) since i got my V6 (in august 09). at the time the V6 was the absolute best i could do and i am happy with it. but with the way things are going, in a year or two i'll be able to really go for something special. i mean i even considered trading in the 6'er for the SS but that's pushing it after only one year's time.

plus honestly i'm just looking to make conversation because the viper has always been my dream car but a camaro with that kind of power might take that title away haha
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:49 PM   #25
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well, basically what happened is my job situation has changed drastically (for the better) since i got my V6 (in august 09). at the time the V6 was the absolute best i could do and i am happy with it. but with the way things are going, in a year or two i'll be able to really go for something special. i mean i even considered trading in the 6'er for the SS but that's pushing it after only one year's time.

plus honestly i'm just looking to make conversation because the viper has always been my dream car but a camaro with that kind of power might take that title away haha
if the last few years hasn't taught you anything with the job situation. just because it's going great now doesn't mean it will be in 6 years. one big reason I haven't purchased yet, and I might not even get a z28 new. job security now a-days isn't what it use to be. that's coming from someone in the military which is a guaranteed paycheck. But with the wars "drawing down" many of us might be pushed out into the private sector increasing unemployment rates. the future is uncertain. just saying that it isn't always a good idea to base a "fun" purchase on current situations. if you can afford a $700 payment now; that doesn't mean you can in a couple years. plan for the worse, hope for the best.
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