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Old 12-26-2008, 07:32 PM   #51
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I'm as passionate about this car as anyone...
Tango, I certainly wasn't questioning your passion. And I don't dispute anything that you said in your post. But those things are out of the control of Number3 and HeatherR. So leave them alone and show THEM some respect. They aren't in charge of the rollout. They are simply being nice enough to share their experiences with the car.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:36 PM   #52
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I'm as passionate about this car as anyone. The first car i bought when i was 16 was a 67 that i bought with saved money after working at a fast food restaurant for two years and that i still own to this day. Most of my friends had Camaros. My Mother bought the Berlinetta the first year it bowed in 79. I've been looking forward to a retro camaro for the past 2 decades. In my opinion the designs have been sub-par at best the past 20 years. The 5th Gen is a great design that i hope is a great in person as on paper.

My biggest complaint, and if everyone doesn't back me up on this you're an idiot, is the way the car is being rolled out.

The on-line press conference was held in a freak'n garage that didn't do it justice.

The dealers have no idea what they are selling. Has anyone at GM heard about "web-conferencing"? There is no control by Corporate GM on how they are taking deposits. I had one dealer ask for 4k down and another ask for $100 down.

What would it take to produce a brochure that explains all options along with a color swatch?

You ask the consumers to show GM respect? They're not showing us any at this point.

Put the money into brochures instead of paying a dozen people to ride around the country and give you their pre-scripted canned answers to our questions.

Don't question my passion or love for the car when i'm buying it from a picture.

Step up GM and give us the appropriate tools to evaluate and purchase the car. It is no wonder that they are in financial trouble. Get your house in order so that we actually get to have a 5th gen Camaro.
Slow down dude. We have more information on this car at this stage of its development than probably any car before it in history.

How much info did you get on your 67 BEFORE it was even being mass produced? We should be thankful that we get to hear and see impressions from drivers of pre-production cars. Sure they work for GM and will be biased. Most members on this site are pro-GM and biased.

On a more positive note, post up some pics of your 67. I love them first gens!
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:38 PM   #53
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I did the math. A 2SS with every factory option box ticked is $38,540. That would mean the 21 inch wheels are $7000ish and I humbly suggest that if you're paying $7,000 for wheels, you very much are Doing It Wrong.
Try to follow:

2SS $33,340.00
interior trim $1,750.00
RS pkg $1,200.00
Stripe pkg $470.00
Hurst Shifter $380.00
21' Wheel pkg $4,680.00
Tax $2,961.00
Registration $354.00

I'll let you do the math again.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:41 PM   #54
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The on-line press conference was held in a freak'n garage that didn't do it justice.

The dealers have no idea what they are selling. Has anyone at GM heard about "web-conferencing"? There is no control by Corporate GM on how they are taking deposits. I had one dealer ask for 4k down and another ask for $100 down.

What would it take to produce a brochure that explains all options along with a color swatch?

You ask the consumers to show GM respect? They're not showing us any at this point.

Put the money into brochures instead of paying a dozen people to ride around the country and give you their pre-scripted canned answers to our questions.
They explained the garage reasoning in the beginning of the presentation. Just because you disagree doesn't make it wrong.


The dealers have lots of info out there. Yea, they could prolly do a lil better job but they have produced a dealer workbook that goes over all of the need-to-know stuff. They have produced some brochures that I got at a car show... dunno if they have it at dealerships. It is ILLEGAL for GM to force dealers into a single method of selling the cars, deposits, etc. They don't own them and franchise laws limit what they can control (not much).

Color swatches are available at dealerships now.

These people aren't "GM" they're employees that were allowed to drive a car and give GM feedback... not us. They aren't testers or test drivers of any sort, they're just normal employees who are given cars to find the everyday person sorts of issues, especially fit and finish. They are then supposed to give that feedback back to GM. They aren't PR people and their responses are not canned. If you think they are, you need a lil common sense as it's pretty obvious just from their language and the way they've posted that their responses aren't canned.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:47 PM   #55
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Tango, I certainly wasn't questioning your passion. And I don't dispute anything that you said in your post. But those things are out of the control of Number3 and HeatherR. So leave them alone and show THEM some respect. They aren't in charge of the rollout. They are simply being nice enough to share their experiences with the car.
You're right, for the enthusiast you're going to find all the info you need short of seeing it in person. But the car is only going to be a success if it can appeal to a wider audience. That is the goal of any company offering any product for sale. GM is in trouble in this area. It is undeniable.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:51 PM   #56
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You're right, for the enthusiast you're going to find all the info you need short of seeing it in person. But the car is only going to be a success if it can appeal to a wider audience. That is the goal of any company offering any product for sale. GM is in trouble in this area. It is undeniable.
I don't know Tango. There seems to be an awful lot of interest in these cars by the average public. Just look at the response that these cars have been getting out on the road. I would say that Chevy decided to do the pre-order activities to allow us enthusiasts to know a little about the car and order. I think you will see a huge blitz to the general public once this car starts hitting the road and lots. Only time will tell though for sure whether the Camaro will appeal to the general public and if it will be a huge success or not.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:53 PM   #57
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Sorry, I don't have video/audio recording capability on this trip. I can say that the V6 has a nice sound, but it isn't as BOLD as the V8. The best I can say is when the car is pulling away with a good bit of throttle, it sounds like a nice high performance V6 should. I like it. It just isn't the V8.

To answer other qustions, the ride is outstanding. Body control and damping are very good. It has a firm but far from harsh ride. As I've stated before it is an outstanding highway cruiser.

Handling....well I haven't had the roads or gumption to go much beyond 6/10ths or so. But so far I have little I'd complain about.

Again, the max hardware for handling and braking aren't on this car, so for what it has.....I think it's quite good. But if you want the best handling and braking, you may want to consider the SS with the Brembo brakes and Performance Tires.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:58 PM   #58
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I don't know Tango. There seems to be an awful lot of interest in these cars by the average public. Just look at the response that these cars have been getting out on the road. I would say that Chevy decided to do the pre-order activities to allow us enthusiasts to know a little about the car and order. I think you will see a huge blitz to the general public once this car starts hitting the road and lots. Only time will tell though for sure whether the Camaro will appeal to the general public and if it will be a huge success or not.
Camaro is KING. If it were up to the people on this site, i have no doubt it would not disappoint. I just hope we have some "Enthusiasts" in GM mgt.
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:14 PM   #59
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Thanks so much to you and heather for sacrificing your time for us here at Camaro5
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So how does she run my friend?

SUN ROOF OPEN =
I know.... I know... but watch your mouth, you can almost get kicked out of here for making fun of the roof!
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:19 PM   #60
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That's right; we're talking more than an inch of difference - which is do or die for the taller folks.
I'm tall and I'd glady scooch my head down or cock it sideways if it meant the sunroof didn't have to look so weak when open!
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:22 PM   #61
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You're right, for the enthusiast you're going to find all the info you need short of seeing it in person. But the car is only going to be a success if it can appeal to a wider audience. That is the goal of any company offering any product for sale. GM is in trouble in this area. It is undeniable.
I was at the Indianapolis Auto Show today. They had two Camaros, a black 2LT/RS and the Dale Jr. SEMA car. I found it extremely difficult to get pictures of the cars by themselves without people looking at them. The comments I heard were great, people praised the car all over. I overheard the GM rep telling a guy that the V6 put out over 300 horsepower and 27 MPG, and all he could do was stare back at the rep with this silly look on his face.

It's appealing to people all right...I'm sure a few people at Indy today are ready to open up their checkbooks.
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:07 PM   #62
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EXCUSE ME !!!!!!!!!! Some rude dude comes on here with 10 posts who joined 30 months late (some hard core enthusiast !) and says We are all idiots if we don't agree with his POV? And he doesn't know where the caps button is on a key board? BTW no one else includes taxes and registration in comparing MSRP. Take a MIDOL!
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:08 PM   #63
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Thank-you Number 3 for your information. Did you pick this car up from Oshawa?
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:18 PM   #64
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:24 PM   #65
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Ok Everyone, please keep this thread on topic. There is no test to become an enthusiast. We all agree that we are very grateful to have Heather and Number 3 share their time and experience with us. So lets keep that in mind when posting here.

So, far they both have been extremely accommodating and helpful.

Lets not diminish the cool factor of this thread with off topic arguments.

And thanks again Number 3!!

Much appreciated.
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #66
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gotta say... the more i see that non-RS front end, the more i love it!
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^do you mean the non ss front end???

or the non RS head lights???

or both???

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^do you mean the non ss front end???

or the non RS head lights???

or both???

both... after seeing Heather's, Number 3's, & the test track display cars (on top of the few we've already seen), i feel lots better about not getting the RS package
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If you're paying $45K for your Camaro you screwed something up real big...
Why would you say that?

Mine comes to over $37,000 and that is with only Auto, Sunroof and RS added to the 2SS. I can see it easily reaching $45,000 if you add performance parts or visual enhancements.

With tax and fees I'm sure I'm looking at around $40,000. If I added the GFX and Accessory Grille I'd be near $45,000 probably too.
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I was a bit worried when everyone kept talking about CGM, Black and Silver since I had ordered red. I started to second guess a bit and my wife said "that's the color you originally wanted and you wanted if for a reason so stick with it." After seeing these latest pictures, she was completely right. This car looks beautiful all shined up!
I dont think you wil be one bit dissappointed when you get it! Regardless of colour this car is gonna look AMAZING!!

GOD I cant WAIT!!
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^do you mean the non ss front end???
or the non RS head lights???
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both... after seeing Heather's, Number 3's, & the test track display cars (on top of the few we've already seen), i feel lots better about not getting the RS package
i guess it would've been easier to just say the regular headlights.
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yuh, guess the brembos are not red...
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yuh, guess the brembos are not red...
This car doesn't have brembos but you're correct, they're painted dark gray.
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