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Old 12-27-2008, 02:59 PM   #43
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I would be very inclined to cancel my order if this means more than 2 weeks of it being pushed back. My current lease will be ending at the end of March. Also, we have already waited entirely too long for this car. The car is bordering on "dated" already with how long ago the concept first appeared and how long its been getting press. Every time I talk to somebody who has any knowledge of the car, they ask "isn't that out yet?" Although I have been very patient thus far, I am beginning to feel the same way.
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Old 12-27-2008, 03:14 PM   #44
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GM suing supplier to keep Camaro production going

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Every time GM turns a corner it seems to come face to face with another obstacle. The latest setback concerns supplier Cadence, LLC, which provides interior parts for the 2010 Camaro. Cadence declared bankruptcy in August, and is now in liquidation proceedings. To GM's chagrin, joining Cadence in its descent into commercial tar pits are the specialized machines that GM needs to make parts for the Camaro.

If GM can't get the tooling, there are certain to be disruptions at assembly plants and then on down the food chain. The General would then need to pay to have the tooling made again while it looks for another supplier, a cost GM describes as "substantial." GM would like to have a new supplier in place by January 12, 2009 because Camaro production is slated to begin on February 16, with deliveries in mid-March.

So far, it's unclear as to who actually owns the machines in question - Cadence or GM - and Cadence has had nothing to say on the matter. Regardless, if GM doesn't get its way, then it has to spend a chunk of the money it just fought for to recover old ground. The most recent precedent isn't promising: Chrysler tried to get the tooling from bankrupt parts supplier Plastech, and was denied.
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Old 12-27-2008, 03:20 PM   #45
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This could be just the beginning of GM's troubles. It's sad, but, true. I am prepared to expect countless delay's in the camaro. Those of you who have not put down a deposit and are not expecting one of the first camaro's are in a far better situation then those of us that have.
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Old 12-27-2008, 03:26 PM   #46
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This could be just the beginning of GM's troubles. It's sad, but, true. I am prepared to expect countless delay's in the camaro. Those of you who have not put down a deposit and are not expecting one of the first camaro's are in a far better situation then those of us that have.
I'm sure everything will work itself out Old Timer. Lets stay optomistic.
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Old 12-27-2008, 04:02 PM   #47
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damn I hope they get there parts
Don't you mean OUR parts? We have allready put money down on our respective rides afterall.
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Old 12-27-2008, 05:43 PM   #48
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Hmm maybe that will force them to redesign that terrible dash
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Old 12-27-2008, 05:49 PM   #49
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Perhaps GM will update all on 1-9-09.

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MY PERSONAL OPINION: I think it's high time Americans started to think about what's in the best interests of the country as a whole - rather than "what's in the best interests of ME!"


I agree 100% with what Scott asked. In fact we all did just that - to the tune of a recent $17 Billion dollar loan to the auto industry. Perhaps that same industry will build us some great no excuse cars now.
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:35 PM   #50
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Cadence has released the dies to manufacturers in the past, but only after the manufacturer has paid for them. I'm not saying GM has not paid for them...I did'nt want to put my neighbor on the spot answering such a question. However, for whatever reason the dies are not being released to GM at this time.
I'm willing to bet that Cadence has not paid their vendors for labor and/or materials for the dies, thus are hesitant to turn them over to GM because their vendor(s) may have been listed as creditors in the bankruptcy. The Court would not look kindly on Cadence turning over an asset to GM that was part of court controlled bankruptcy process. Worse case, GM could petition the court to step in and pay Cadence's tooling related unpaid vendors and ask for possession of the tooling. That means that if they paid Cadence and Cadence didn't pay the vendors, GM pays twice. We're going to see more of this in the future, you can be sure.

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Old 12-27-2008, 07:02 PM   #51
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Yes ......... August.......just took this long to get the legal balls rolling.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:26 PM   #52
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Wow. I have been sitting here for some time reading this thread (along with another one on this topic) and struggling with typing a response. And once I decided to type something, I have edited it about 10 times. I know no matter how I type this someone is going to jump all over it. Oh well. Here goes.

I thought people were Camaro enthusiasts on here. Yet, people start to jump all over the Camaro and GM every time some little bump comes up in the road. We haven't heard anything officially from GM on any delay in production yet some people are saying they are considering cancelling their orders. Amazing.

I have been waiting for 20+ years for this car and frankly waiting a month longer (or even 2 or 3) isn't going to kill me. I want THIS car. I want a Camaro. I don't want a Challenger or a Mustang or a Hyundai. In fact, if they decide not to make the Camaro I probably won't buy anything.

So to GM (and those on here that work for GM), keep your heads down and keep working. I am buying this car no matter when you bring it out. And I am sure that lots of other die-hard Camaro fans will do the same. And for the fake Camaro fans on here, go cancel your orders and get your Challengers and Mustangs. I will be the one laughing at you when your head turns when I drive by.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:41 PM   #53
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just my opinion but....

This parts problem is nottttttttttt going to be a problem for us!!!!!---GM in dire need of turning its company around --who now has access to the 700 billion bank money ( and the ferderal reserve wouldnt of made GM a bank and have access to this money if they werent gonna give it to them) So this is a problem for GM but not us.. With over 10.000 preorders of the camaro there isnt a snowballs chance in hell that GM delays anythimg they do what ever it takes pay any amount for retooling etc etc to keep the camaro on schedule..If they didnt 1000s of buyers cancel orders etc etc and GM even if it were to make the company viable as far as production would sell so few cars from this life saving camaro theyd be looking to close again ---This is never going to happen .. Its just like all the worry warts that said GM is going under--they are gonna file bancruptcy -the president isnt going to help them they wont gt the money they need etc etc---low an behold we all knew deep down inside that the government was going to bail them out cuz they had no choice
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:57 PM   #54
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lol this same thing happened with the challenger.....except it wasnt a supplier issue. if you are a true enthusiast you will wait and take the bumps with the camaro...if not go buy another car...
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Old 12-27-2008, 08:01 PM   #55
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It will take time to remove the machines, transport them, set them up and then train people to do the jobs.
Not to be a downer... looks as if I maybe able to save more of a down payment before my Camaro is built.
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Old 12-27-2008, 08:09 PM   #56
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GM doesn't need true enthusiasts right now, while you are great people you'll account for only a small percentage of total sales in the end. GM needs to get their shit together because the vast majority of people looking for a new car don't care about GM's problems, they want to buy a car, and if the Camaro isn't available they will simply buy some thing else.

That includes me. But then again I'm not a die hard like some of you are, I just want a nice performing RWD two door, that could be a Mustang, Challenger, 370Z etc.
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