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I have high flow catted mid pipes/factory manifolds and get no CEL 9 37.50%
I have high flow catted mid pipes/factory manifolds and HAVE gotten a CEL 2 8.33%
I don't have mid pipes and would not consider a product that throws codes 10 41.67%
I do not have high flow catted mids, and could overlook a CEL if the product was really good 3 12.50%
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Old 10-07-2010, 02:50 PM   #1
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Question for those with high flow catted mid pipes and factory manifolds

Are you getting a check engine light with them? We are working on a really innovative product that has a lot of upside vs. whatever is on the market. However to keep the innovative features of the product means living with an occasional check engine light. We can engineer this out, but it will leave the product $150-$200 more than anything else on the market.

So my question is two fold really-

A)- If you have a high flow factory catted mid pipe now, are you getting a check engine light

B)- For people who don't have one, on a high flow catted mid pipe, would the chance of a check engine light be a complete show stopper if the product was innovative and had the ability to save you a bunch of money down the road.

I am talking about the factory replacement high flow mid pipes out there like JBA.
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Old 10-07-2010, 03:04 PM   #2
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Is this anything like the high flow cats that Solo (and at least one other company) are making right now? They connect from the manifold to the 'cat back' section of exhaust.

Mine are from Solo and do not throw a CEL due to the rear air flow sensor spacer on them.
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Old 10-07-2010, 03:15 PM   #3
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Is this anything like the high flow cats that Solo (and at least one other company) are making right now? They connect from the manifold to the 'cat back' section of exhaust.

Mine are from Solo and do not throw a CEL due to the rear air flow sensor spacer on them.

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Old 10-07-2010, 03:19 PM   #4
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We have looked at that. The issue we have is most people buy JBA's, which are like $400. We can eliminate the CEL if we charge $600 for the mids. However for $400..you have to deal with a CEL We also have a design box to work in to keep the main selling point of the product intact. I can't go into details on that just yet.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:31 PM   #5
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Is this anything like the high flow cats that Solo (and at least one other company) are making right now? They connect from the manifold to the 'cat back' section of exhaust.

Mine are from Solo and do not throw a CEL due to the rear air flow sensor spacer on them.
Me too. Well I had them for 3k miles and just sold them to someone else. Never a CEL.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:01 PM   #6
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I have the Solo's with no CEL yet. 400 miles.

These things are great
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:30 PM   #7
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I have the Solo's with no CEL yet. 400 miles.

These things are great
Same Here, Over 5000 miles. No Codes!
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Never popped a CEL when I had the JBA catted mids on my car.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:24 AM   #9
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I have the JBA and got a code after about 800 miles. I cleared it with a $20 OBD reader from e-bay. In retrospect I would have paid more for the Solo and so I would not have the hastle. After a year or two, and I dont care about the warranty, I will tune it out.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:03 PM   #10
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I am considering catted mids right now, and I have been doing the research on what might be my best choice. A CEL would be a deal breaker for me. If there is a product out there that WILL NOT set a code, I will spend the extra money to have it that way.
So far the results of this "research" indicate that JBA might be a bit "iffy" and that the Solo product is "good to go". I would like to hear more about the off road pipes from a company called "Clear Image".

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I am considering catted mids right now, and I have been doing the research on what might be my best choice. A CEL would be a deal breaker for me. If there is a product out there that WILL NOT set a code, I will spend the extra money to have it that way.
So far the results of this "research" indicate that JBA might be a bit "iffy" and that the Solo product is "good to go". I would like to hear more about the off road pipes from a company called "Clear Image".

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FYI...I had the JBA mids on for 5000 miles and never had a CEL.
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FYI...I had the JBA mids on for 5000 miles and never had a CEL.
same, ... i really think its how you install it.. because the O2 sensor is kind of tricky
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Old 10-09-2010, 02:20 AM   #13
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I had mine installed professionally and no CEL for 2000 miles but just got a CEL tonight.
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I would pay a premium to avoid having any CEL's
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I think this will boil down to a 50/50 market - those who will tune and those who will not.
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Hmmm, prob a thousand miles on jba and no cel...hope I don't get one either.
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JBA owners, I meant no offense. Watching the posts, the ones that mention CELs seem to have JBAs - and there are those like some of you who have JBAs and have had no problems. On posts discussing Solo pipes, there seem to be no problems at all. However, I think that if you guys had a CEL, you would not be happy, right?
So.....Maryland Speed guys, my vote is that you do whatever you have to do to avoid the dreaded CEL.
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JBA owners, I meant no offense. Watching the posts, the ones that mention CELs seem to have JBAs - and there are those like some of you who have JBAs and have had no problems. On posts discussing Solo pipes, there seem to be no problems at all. However, I think that if you guys had a CEL, you would not be happy, right?
So.....Maryland Speed guys, my vote is that you do whatever you have to do to avoid the dreaded CEL.
Yep, I have the JBA mids so it might just be a problem with a portion of them. I guess that might be why they are $200 less then the Solo ones.

To answer the OP's question, it is certainly worth the extra $200 to not get the CEL. To me it is a piece of mind and the fact that what if something goes wrong down the road, if my check engine light is already on I wont know there is an additional issue. It is just an uneasy feeling seeing that check engine light, to me anyway.

The people who originally bought the JBA's werent getting a CEL with 500 plus miles on them and I didnt either til I put around 2k miles on them. If I would of known there was around a 50/50 shot of getting a CEL I would of spent the extra money on the Solo mid pipes but at the time no one was having issues with the JBA so I didnt see a reason to spend the extra money on the Solo.
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It has nothing to do with the installation. Its a remove and replace deal.

The code is normally one that means the front and rear O2 sensor are reading the same or very close. The computer is expecting them to be different because of how restrictive the cats in between them are. Solo probaly does not throw codes because it has a bit more engineering to it. JBA's are fairly standard..and in most cases they don't throw codes. However all it takes is the a split second at the right operatating situation for the code to show up.

We are heading down the path of more engineering right now.
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I disconnected my battery today and the code is gone. I put about 100 miles on it after connecting the battery back up and no CEL. Hopefully it will stay gone for a while.
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maybe this is a dumb question, but still wanna ask.. i have JBA mids.. i got a tune and dont care about the code problem... but the way some people were talking about the JBA compared to solo. sure i would have to say solo is the better cats. .. is there any other problem with JBA cats other then the codes that could pop up... like are the cats made well and will last a long time... ???
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I have clear image head pipes with hi flow cats. No cell. Over ten thousand miles on em.
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