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Old 10-08-2010, 01:54 AM   #1
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Vararam vs. others cais any opinions??

Looking to do some mods and not sure what direction to go..I hear the vararam can a lot of power but I have also seen and heard some issues with radiator moving around once the unit is installed..anyone have any personal experience with this??

Im also looking into halltech and cai and looking for other hp proven mods..any suggestions guys??
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:37 AM   #2
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We did back to back test ing on my LS3 at vector and there was not performance gain between that and my Roto-fab. In fact, I the video is on youtube. If I find it I will post it.
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:38 AM   #3
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I have to get it installed and tested, but I just got the latest Vararam version with a new MAF installed. It has a different design with a flat filter, longer duck bill intake, different placement of air sensor, screen before the MAF, and.....thinking here...

But, the bucking and surging is supposed to be completely gone and it's supposed to be perfect. We'll see how it goes!
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:44 AM   #4
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Personally I've heard a few friends complaining of problems with the VaraRam. They may have fixed this with the new unit, but I can tell you that I've been very impressed by the overall quality of the CAI unit, and it looks bad-ass to boot. The power gains are supposed to be at the top as far as cold-air goes... but that's just me.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:41 AM   #5
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Until they can make AND ship more than 1 Vararam unit a year this thread is pointless.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:54 AM   #6
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I have the CAI and I am very happy with it. It only took about 30 min to install. The throttle response is much better. I would definetly recommend it.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:57 AM   #7
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I have to get it installed and tested, but I just got the latest Vararam version with a new MAF installed. It has a different design with a flat filter, longer duck bill intake, different placement of air sensor, screen before the MAF, and.....thinking here...

But, the bucking and surging is supposed to be completely gone and it's supposed to be perfect. We'll see how it goes!
Tag I have the new one installed, night and day difference from the first version. All bucking and surging is gone
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Vararam: My Opinion - Worth the price of admission

I had many discussions with Patrick @ Vararam (he is a wealth of technical information) before buying the Super Street (no tune model). He discovered that there are several factory MAFs (identified with a single letter) that don't read real well. I located one (as suggested) identified by "K23" and installed it in the Vararam Super Street. Drove the car at various speeds for about a half a tank. The following day I ran the road course at Homestead-Miami (10/9/2010) and noticed between 10mph and 25mph increase in terminal velocity before I entered my braking zones. Corner exit speeds also increased by about 5-10mph. Throttle response has been improved as well. In my opinion, it was a great purchase. I will have dyno numbers shortly. The only other mod is an MBRP cat back exhaust.
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I have to get it installed and tested, but I just got the latest Vararam version with a new MAF installed. It has a different design with a flat filter, longer duck bill intake, different placement of air sensor, screen before the MAF, and.....thinking here...

But, the bucking and surging is supposed to be completely gone and it's supposed to be perfect. We'll see how it goes!
Waiting for my new Vararam to arrive. Don't like the way the rad is mounted though. Probably fabricate our own mounting bracket over the winter.
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Vararam, new GM MAF(K23), MBRP Cat Back - that's it


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You're asking if there are any opinions about CAI's on Camaro5?

yeah, there might be one or two...
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Tag I have the new one installed, night and day difference from the first version. All bucking and surging is gone
Same here I installed the new version this past weekend and all the problems are gone .
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Old 10-12-2010, 08:40 PM   #13
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I just installed the newest version also and was surprised. I had minor surging and that is all gone now.
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So what's up with the K23 MAF? Is this just to use with the Vararam or will it work with any cai?
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Vararam

I love mine, here is my review and my dyno sheet. Notice the ambient temps as well.

I do have surging sometimes when the air is 60 or below outside, but only while cruising. Not too big a deal really... it would be nice to have none, but the dyno numbers don't lie...no one else gives that much HP.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105109

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102886
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:10 PM   #16
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The intake which removes the bend from the intake tract before the throttle body and pulls air from the coolest source will be the best, no matter what some dyno shootout shows.

Get one that is over the rad and don't look back.
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So what's up with the K23 MAF? Is this just to use with the Vararam or will it work with any cai?
What was explained to me from Vararam was that most cars have the same maf which work fine with the screened unit. While testing they had one vehicle with a different # on the maf and were having problems with it.

Before my revised unit was shipped they verified my maf #.

Hope this helps.
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I love mine, here is my review and my dyno sheet. Notice the ambient temps as well.

I do have surging sometimes when the air is 60 or below outside, but only while cruising. Not too big a deal really... it would be nice to have none, but the dyno numbers don't lie...no one else gives that much HP.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105109

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102886
Your surging at cruise is probably attributed to you having an older unit without screen.
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The intake which removes the bend from the intake tract before the throttle body and pulls air from the coolest source will be the best, no matter what some dyno shootout shows.

Get one that is over the rad and don't look back.
That's right, damn any REAL WORLD testing and go with pure theory and what the manufacturer says.
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do a simple search on here and you will find jannetty did 2 cai dyno comparisons. each test had different cai units he tested. as far as other mods go, a set of lt's. lt's and a cai with a dyno tune will wake the car up. if that still isn't enough for you then their is always cam, throttle bodies, new mainold, custom motor builds, FI, nitrous, the list can go on and on
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That's right, damn any REAL WORLD testing and go with pure theory and what the manufacturer says.
When I see a drag strip shootout where they can impossibly lock track conditions and density altitude perhaps testing 500 filters at the end of 90* bend tubes will be an acceptable test then.

Common sense dictates that you would want the straightest path of air coming from somewhere not in the engine bay.
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When I see a drag strip shootout where they can impossibly lock track conditions and density altitude perhaps testing 500 filters at the end of 90* bend tubes will be an acceptable test then.

Common sense dictates that you would want the straightest path of air coming from somewhere not in the engine bay.
While I agree, it's been shown OVER AND OVER that on the CAMARO a OTR intake has it's problems. In theory, your arguement is sound. In reality, on this car, there are problems to overcome with this type of intake. There's not enough room to have a free flowing intake coming over the radiator. The MAF has already shown that it doesn't like turbulent flow, hense the straighteners that are needed to smooth it out. This in turn has a negative affect on the amount of airflow that's being sucked in. Just how much has yet to be seen as there isn't much data out on whatever revision number this one is. As you stated, it's imposible to use track testing in a shootout testing format. All we have is dyno testing and that's where we are. IMO, it's a copout to say that dyno testing isn't going to show the true potential of X CAI. While it may not show accurate WOT and max speed data, it should still show how well a CAI is going to work. In theory, they should all work better at the track or at higher speeds than ted can make up for with his massive fans. The point is, it shows how well it should scale. Since VR refuses to have their CAI independently tested, all we have is end user feedback. Finding UNBIASED enduser feedback has shown itself to be hard to come by with many VR users. If and when enough real world testing is done on the VR unit, we can make a better assessment of it's potential. I'm glad VR finally got their unit to have better driveability. Now it's just a matter of finding out what they gave up to get it. From some of the reports i've seen, it's no better than any of other OEM location CAI's.
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I wonder why VR will not let their CAI be tested with the other CAI's. Something very strange here. I am going with......TBD.

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While I agree, it's been shown OVER AND OVER that on the CAMARO a OTR intake has it's problems. In theory, your arguement is sound. In reality, on this car, there are problems to overcome with this type of intake. There's not enough room to have a free flowing intake coming over the radiator. The MAF has already shown that it doesn't like turbulent flow, hense the straighteners that are needed to smooth it out. This in turn has a negative affect on the amount of airflow that's being sucked in. Just how much has yet to be seen as there isn't much data out on whatever revision number this one is. As you stated, it's imposible to use track testing in a shootout testing format. All we have is dyno testing and that's where we are. IMO, it's a copout to say that dyno testing isn't going to show the true potential of X CAI. While it may not show accurate WOT and max speed data, it should still show how well a CAI is going to work. In theory, they should all work better at the track or at higher speeds than ted can make up for with his massive fans. The point is, it shows how well it should scale. Since VR refuses to have their CAI independently tested, all we have is end user feedback. Finding UNBIASED enduser feedback has shown itself to be hard to come by with many VR users. If and when enough real world testing is done on the VR unit, we can make a better assessment of it's potential. I'm glad VR finally got their unit to have better driveability. Now it's just a matter of finding out what they gave up to get it. From some of the reports i've seen, it's no better than any of other OEM location CAI's.
Well then perhaps the LS3 MAF is limiting the potential for the car to use a good intake?

I have seen in person 2 different GTO's pick up significant power on the dyno getting rid of a 90* bend intake in favor for an over the radiator intake, One a heads/cam LS2 and the other a 416ci LS3 stroker.
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A little off topic but this is straight from their site. Is it just me or did he just put all
a/f cells to 15.0. Isn't that lean?
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