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Old 10-10-2010, 10:35 PM   #1
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Question Best short throw shifter

Ok, I want to upgrade the stock 6 sod manual shifter to a Hurst, MTI, MGW, or Barton shifter, or any other highly recommended shifter.
My bro has a Hurst in his 07 Shelby Mustang and he loves it.
What is the best performing, smoothest, shortest, shifter for the 2010 Camaro SS???
I do not want any vibration or additional noise In the cabin that Hurst speaks about on there instructions sheet.
Any and all comments and suggestions are appreciated.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:46 PM   #3
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Looking to replace my Hurst as soon as possible. Looks great, sounds like a vibrater on saturday night.
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If anybody's Hurst is vibrating so bad it annoys them it's installed wrong!
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:57 PM   #5
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Looking to replace my Hurst as soon as possible. Looks great, sounds like a vibrater on saturday night.
MGW now?
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:02 PM   #6
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:38 PM   #7
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:03 AM   #8
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A properly installed Hurst with the supplied silencer kit should result in no additional noise or vibration. It isn't for everyone, keep in mind it is a competition shifter and isn't designed for comfort It is designed to get from gear to gear ans quickly as possible. It features a 40% throw reduction but you sacrifice some mechanical leverage which results in more effort to shift.

We recently received an MTI shifter and have been testing it. It is very positive, precise and smooth with zero noise or vibration. It features a 25% throw reduction and some serious engineering. All the vagueness of the stock shifter is gone. I would take a hard look at it.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:32 AM   #9
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I installed a Hurst about 5 months ago and love it. It does require a little more effort to shift over stock, but it feels like I have more control and always know what gear I'm in. Only extra noise I've ever noticed was a feint vibrating sound that you can only hear if you push the shifter to a stopping point (say its in 1st and your pushing forward to where its stopped and won't move anymore it causes a slight vibration/noise) other than that it's quiet.
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:40 AM   #10
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Old 10-11-2010, 02:21 PM   #11
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Hmmm, anyone else?
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Go for the MGW. I'ts a shifter not just a shorter shifter handle. I'ts the real deal.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:56 PM   #13
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Go for the MGW. I'ts a shifter not just a shorter shifter handle. I'ts the real deal.
What do you mean not just a shorter shifter handle? A shifter is made shorter by moving the point of rotation up, not by simply making the handle sit lower. Barton and Hurst have the shortest throws and their knobs are probably a little higher then the rest. MGW replaces the casting that houses the shifter handle but its still the same principle.
The guys who have the MGW will say MGW. The guys who have the Barton will say Barton. The guys who have Hurst will say Hurst etc...
I have installed them all and IMO Barton cannot be beat.
MGW is very close and it would be a matter of preference, but for $200 less Barton gets my vote.
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What do you mean not just a shorter shifter handle? A shifter is made shorter by moving the point of rotation up, not by simply making the handle sit lower. Barton and Hurst have the shortest throws and their knobs are probably a little higher then the rest. MGW replaces the casting that houses the shifter handle but its still the same principle.
The guys who have the MGW will say MGW. The guys who have the Barton will say Barton. The guys who have Hurst will say Hurst etc...
I have installed them all and IMO Barton cannot be beat.
MGW is very close and it would be a matter of preference, but for $200 less Barton gets my vote.

i understand your point of moving the pivot being the same principle but there is MUCH more to making a short shifter besides just making the throw shorter,...

1. the internal springs in the tranny are not robust enough to make 2-3 shifts perfect. the MGW shifter housing has additional springs.

2. the rear mounting design of the stock shifter is mainly focused on eliminating NVH and as a result is WAYYY too spongy and allows the shifter and tranny to torque against each other during hard shifts.

just food for thought....


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Old 10-11-2010, 07:04 PM   #15
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Barton or MGW is the most liked here.

I personally like the Barton.
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:29 PM   #16
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I have tried both Barton and Hurst. Barton has the shortest throw. Barton is a tight fit hurst is slightly sloppy,1/4 inch movement,top of shifter, once in gear.

Hurst has advantage that they are releaseing the pistol grip shifter but in feel I liked the barton better.
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i understand your point of moving the pivot being the same principle but there is MUCH more to making a short shifter besides just making the throw shorter,...

1. the internal springs in the tranny are not robust enough to make 2-3 shifts perfect. the MGW shifter housing has additional springs.

2. the rear mounting design of the stock shifter is mainly focused on eliminating NVH and as a result is WAYYY too spongy and allows the shifter and tranny to torque against each other during hard shifts.

just food for thought....


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The MGW is a complete shifter replacement, not just the stick. IMO changing just the stick is a band-aid.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:42 AM   #20
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My 2 cents... I have the hurst, love the look, and appreciate the name heritage. If I were to do it again though and I will be in spring, I would go with the mgw. Much better shifter all around. My hurst is very notch. Anyone that tells you different has never shifter the mgw back to back with the hurst. Don't go for the name like I did, go with what works.
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I may end up doing the same thing! Mine's pretty notchy too, but it was notchy before I changed to the Hurst. I wonder how much is due to the tranny and how much due to the Hurst? The Hurst gives nice short throws but it takes time to get it into gear, especially 2nd and 3rd. Kinda defeats the purpose.
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I may end up doing the same thing! Mine's pretty notchy too, but it was notchy before I changed to the Hurst. I wonder how much is due to the tranny and how much due to the Hurst? The Hurst gives nice short throws but it takes time to get it into gear, especially 2nd and 3rd. Kinda defeats the purpose.
That's how I feel. It's like fighting the shifts some times. I got in one with the mgw and it was on a different level.
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look at the 'parts' that are included with each of the kits....as someone else mentioned...the mgw is a complete replacement of the unit...





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Old 10-12-2010, 12:34 PM   #24
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Hurst.

GM chose it in the 60's for OEM all the way up until now- 2010 OEM. 50+ years! In 50+ years will Hurst still be around? You can bet on it. Will XYZ shifter company be around to replace or rebuild your worn out shifter bushings? maybe - maybe not.

For those of you with notchy transmissions - don't blame the shifter. Plus there is a solution: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100114

If my transmission was notchy - I might opt for the taller (it fits and works well on the Camaros as well as the Challengers) pistol grip: http://www.hurst-shifters.com/NEW-PR...ANIUM_ANODIZED
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I'll take my chances with my MGW.
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