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Old 10-12-2010, 06:07 PM   #1
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This paint is driving me INSANE!

OK, for starts let me say I do not have the patients or money to blow doing a full out detail of my car. (soap gun, claying, detail spray, $20 towels) Swirl marks do NOT bother me. What upsets me is filth and road grit flying onto my car.

My friend and I both have brand new black cars. He recommends I use Liquid Glass. We both put it on our cars the same day, the same application methods used. We did this together.

It rains. Within 2 weeks my car is showing white lime deposits, and water spots. It looks absolutely filthy, and to your touch the car feels rough.

HIS CAR... is silky smooth to the touch, and has a mirror finish!!! Neither car has ever been clayed or polished!


We used the same products, the same applicators, soaps (he used more dish soap than I did), applied the same day!!! My car looks absolutely disgusting! His looks absolutely beautiful. We both applied 2 coats.

What happened to my wax finish? It looked good for about a day.

I am considering washing with Dawn or Dish soap to strip all of the older waxes I've ever applied and starting over from scratch. Any thoughts? This car has been waxed so many times and always looks worse when I'm done.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:14 PM   #2
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I hate to say it, but you need to strip it with dawn then clay bar it. If that doesn't work then it's adam's time with the porter cable.
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Not a bad idea to strip all of the wax off and start over. Are you parking next to a sprinkler head at work or something? That's what the white spots sound like. Or, are you just hosing the car off and letting it dry? All could cause those spots.

Now, before you write off the clay bar, you might want to consider taking the time to do this step. Especially to get the grime that's in the finish. It will also help remove those lime spots that will drive you crazy.

You should NOT being using dishsoap for every wash though. Dries out all your rubber/vinyl pieces on the car.

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Old 10-12-2010, 06:24 PM   #4
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Question? Do you and your friend work at the same workplace. Maybe you have a enviroment that is is different from your friend. If your car stays out in a bad enviroment while you are at work that may cause what is happening to your car IMO.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:48 PM   #5
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Me and my friend work at the same place! The car has been rained on but no sprinkler heads.

When I use Dish soap, how much do I use? And also, should I mix it with car shampoo?

Will one wash be enough? Do I have to SCRUB? or just run the sponge over the paint?
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:55 PM   #6
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Don't mix it , don't scrub, just wash it as you would with the car soap. I use a lot because I want a lot of foam just as you would anytime you wash your car.
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Done. I'll buy Mother's clay and spray tonight.
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:07 PM   #8
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Good luck! I don't know how big mothers clay bar is ,but what I like to do is cut it in two. That way if you drop it you don't have to throw out the entire thing.
I learned that from the junkman.
Check out some of his videos on youtube. He is the god of detailing.
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With Dawn, I'd say an ounce for a five gallon bucket. About a good 1 second squeeze of the bottle.

You'll get that glassy smooth feeling after you wash and clay the car!
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:23 PM   #10
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Unfortunately you purchased a black car. They are the hardest to keep clean. But when they are clean, they look the best. It's an even trade-off. But if you're not willing/able to spend on a full high-end detail kit, your paint is always gonna suffer.

My advice? Save up and purcahse the Zaino ultimate protection show car kit. Your paint will look remarkably gorgeous.
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I agree a heavy Dawn strip down for all contaminants followed by a thorough claybar treatment. Use an empty sandwich plastic bag - place your hand in the plastic bag and rub it over your paint - should be smooth as a babies ass after claybar, if not, repeat....
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:27 PM   #12
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I agree a heavy Dawn strip down for all contaminants followed by a thorough claybar treatment. Use an empty sandwich plastic bag - place your hand in the plastic bag and rub it over your paint - should be smooth as a babies ass after claybar, if not, repeat....
Auh, another one of Junkman's students. Very good grasshopper. Nice post.
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I agree a heavy Dawn strip down for all contaminants followed by a thorough claybar treatment. Use an empty sandwich plastic bag - place your hand in the plastic bag and rub it over your paint - should be smooth as a babies ass after claybar, if not, repeat....
No doubt I forgot that step!

She said ass, lol
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Should I throw on a hand polish after claying? The swirl marks don't bother me, I'm just wondering if that will have any effect as per keeping the car clean or avoiding the constant white lime marks I get 2-4 days after washing/waxing.

I'm so tired of washing this thing constantly, I just want it to look clean. I don't even ask for it to shine at this point. I've given up on that.
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:29 PM   #15
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Should I throw on a hand polish after claying? The swirl marks don't bother me, I'm just wondering if that will have any effect as per keeping the car clean or avoiding the constant white lime marks I get 2-4 days after washing/waxing.

I'm so tired of washing this thing constantly, I just want it to look clean. I don't even ask for it to shine at this point. I've given up on that.
Polish shouldn't affect how clean the car stays. Wax will protect it to a certain degree, and will make cleaning much easier. I'd say since you have "given up" on shine and just want the easiest way, just focus on keeping a nice coat of wax on there.
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Old 10-13-2010, 12:35 PM   #16
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I have been using the Zaino method for years on my daily driver. I really like it.

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Ok, everyone, I just finished washing the car with Dish Soap (twice), claying the car with Mothers Clay Bar and Mother's detailer spray. The spray needed to be buffed off by hand as it did become cloudy and cake onto the paint.

Paint was smooth, I did use the sandwich bag test. All smooth as glass. Then I used "Liquid Glass" sealant again, as my friend had excellent results with this sealant.

Think this will last me 6 months as advertised? I did NOT spray the hardened wax down with detail spray before buffing off, as there is no need. this stuff comes off easily.
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:12 PM   #19
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hows the car looking so far?
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:53 PM   #20
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It's been 2 days, the waxy silky feel is going fast and I already have water spots. It hasn't rained, but the morning leaves a mist on the car.

I don't get it, I washed with dish soap, I clayed with detail spray and I waxed. Car is still smooth but waxy feeling is failing.
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You probably need to wash it again and then go behind it with a detailers spray
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As I'm sure you know, black is very unforgiving. I'm leery of a lot of the polishing products on the market today. I generally stick with basic wax and just try to keep the finish protected on a regular basis. At the end of the day, there's no substitute for diligence. It's the price of black car ownership.
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You probably need to wash it again and then go behind it with a detailers spray
I did!

The detail spray was used extensively while claying the car!!!

Can someone tell me why my WAX is coming off the paint, and it does t on my friends car? We used the SAME WAX! his car is silk smooth with wax to the touch, mine is grainy like sheet metal... The car is parked, I haven't driven it and there's no sprinklers!

What is going on?!
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I did!

The detail spray was used extensively while claying the car!!!

Can someone tell me why my WAX is coming off the paint, and it does t on my friends car? We used the SAME WAX! his car is silk smooth with wax to the touch, mine is grainy like sheet metal... The car is parked, I haven't driven it and there's no sprinklers!

What is going on?!
Relax man, it's a symptom of the elements. Tons of dirt and pollen etc stick to the paint. It happens. And we're not talking about using DS during claying- obviously that gets washed and polished off. You could use it directly following a normal wash. Put another coat of wax on. Above all, chill, you're going to give yourself an aneurysm at this rate.
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:41 PM   #25
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many thing's to counsider ! what sort or water .well or city . just the fact you part under a tree will effect the the smoothnest or the finish
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