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Old 10-15-2010, 11:58 AM   #1
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V6 TT Kit Interest

I have put some numbers together utilizing much of the same materials we use on our SS Turbo Kit ( http://www.ipsmotorsports.net/produc...oducts_id=4309 ) minus a change in turbos. We could use the same turbos but the cost would be much more than most are willing to spend I would assume.

Based off running some quick numbers I don't see why a solid quality twin kit couldn't be put together in the $5-6k range depending on options. The turbo choice will dictate power but I would think 400 - 450rwhp would be on the conservative side of things. Most stock LS3 SS cars put down 365-370rwhp on our DynoJet for comparison.

If there are any local owners that would be interested in talking to me further about a kit and more specifics please shoot me a PM on here or an email to:

sales@ipsmotorsports.net

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Old 10-15-2010, 12:12 PM   #2
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What would be used to tune the TT V6 with?
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:16 PM   #3
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What would be used to tune the TT V6 with?
There are a currently a couple options available but we would prefer to get something worked out with HP Tuners or SCT if possible. If we feel there is enough interest in a kit to invest the time in R&D we will have a solid tuning option that will be available with the kit
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Sorry to hijack this thread for a second, but when is the group buy going to start for the IPS TT SS Kit?
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:40 PM   #5
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Old 10-15-2010, 12:45 PM   #6
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Sorry to hijack this thread for a second, but when is the group buy going to start for the IPS TT SS Kit?
We got a little side-tracked with the LSx-Shootout last weekend but we have been running the numbers all week and just about have a solid Group-buy price ready. Just working on putting the post together and working on instructions now
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:17 PM   #7
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There are a currently a couple options available but we would prefer to get something worked out with HP Tuners or SCT if possible. If we feel there is enough interest in a kit to invest the time in R&D we will have a solid tuning option that will be available with the kit
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The only company that you will find to tune the V6 would be Trifecta (as of right now), same company doing the STS kit.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:14 PM   #9
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The only company that you will find to tune the V6 would be Trifecta (as of right now), same company doing the STS kit.
Correct. If no other options present themselves that is what we will use right now unless there are limitations that require something different/better.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:47 PM   #10
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The interest is there. Feel free to check out some of the threads in the V6 Forced Induction discussion. There is a lot of discussion about companies who have promised similar products and not delivered. :( We want turbo kits.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:57 PM   #11
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Yeah... companies I see just bait us lol. Getting our hopes up and nothing happens. All businesses run on a gamble... you either put your product in motion and get customers, or nothing. lol. Believe me, all V6 owners HERE wouldn't mind an option or two. I've been waiting for more FI options before I decide to go STS or not.

So yes, +1 for me.
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I think I have had way to much pop-corn waiting for turbo or sc so +1 for me again I guess
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:20 PM   #13
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Please don't let this be yet another road to nowhere...we can't take that.
If it makes sense financially and there is a market it for we can produce a kit for sure. Just need to run some numbers and see where it ends up. Thus far, it looks do-able in a $5-6k budget in a twin kit. It may end up being less but this is just taking the same components as the V8 Kit and swapping out the turbos for smaller / cheaper units. I would never put my "IPS" name on anything Ebay or Chinese-made so rest assured the turbos will be rock-solid
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PS -- I haven't done any research on the factory fuel pump or injector sizing yet on the V6 cars -- anybody want to save me some time?
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If it makes sense financially and there is a market it for we can produce a kit for sure. Just need to run some numbers and see where it ends up. Thus far, it looks do-able in a $5-6k budget in a twin kit. It may end up being less but this is just taking the same components as the V8 Kit and swapping out the turbos for smaller / cheaper units. I would never put my "IPS" name on anything Ebay or Chinese-made so rest assured the turbos will be rock-solid
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PS -- I haven't done any research on the factory fuel pump or injector sizing yet on the V6 cars -- anybody want to save me some time?
V6 is Direct Inject... electric pump in the tank feeds the mechanical high-pressure pump (1700ish PSI at WOT). Not sure of the limits as far as pump and injectors... no obvious upgrades to the injectors, but haven' really looked either... I believe this will be one of the bigger hurdles...

A couple STS kits have been installed and are running 5 PSI... Z_Madness here is working on more boost... seems 5 PSI is good for the 360ish RWHP. Not shabby at all.... but I'm not sure the fuel system will really support more than that... I know some guys here have done the math but personally i'm not so sure...

As for your kit pricing... certainly seems very reasonable!!!
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:35 PM   #15
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If it makes sense financially and there is a market it for we can produce a kit for sure. Just need to run some numbers and see where it ends up. Thus far, it looks do-able in a $5-6k budget in a twin kit. It may end up being less but this is just taking the same components as the V8 Kit and swapping out the turbos for smaller / cheaper units. I would never put my "IPS" name on anything Ebay or Chinese-made so rest assured the turbos will be rock-solid
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PS -- I haven't done any research on the factory fuel pump or injector sizing yet on the V6 cars -- anybody want to save me some time?
I'm working on a custom mid-mount solution right now. I've done a little research and the fuel system is going to be a problem. I looks like you are going to be limited to between 500-550 HP crank until someone comes out with a after-market fuel pump. Trifecta is working on getting a little bit more out of the system, but we are hitting the limits here. A nice set of 2400 psi injectors and larger fuel pumps would be nice -- wanna volunteer?

Another thing to consider is the tranny. It is rated at about 340 ft-lbs tq for a 5000 lbs vehicle. It gives me a little concern. You aren't responsible for that, but if you do a kit you may want to warn your customers about it. I'm not trying to warn you off -- we do need more options -- but not many companies have jumped in with more than the normal bolt-on mods. When going FI you normally already have options like exhaust manifolds (why I'm going the mid-mount route), forged pistons, tranny, diff. and axle mods to handle the extra power. I'm going to go with a good intercooler AND water-meth injection to be extra careful withthe cast pistons, but will just have to wait for all the extras to go to the next step.

I'm going to start a thread in the journal section. Maybe what I learn can help you out. With the STS and your option maybe some other vendors will hop on board and build the supporting stuff.

Good luck to you, we are all glad you are undertaking this venture!
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I have 5 possibly 6 V6's that may be ready for this upgrade (and I can't leave the lone SS out either LOL) Am interested in STS's setup but would like to wait for a few other options before I commit 35-40k or more to this project. It has to be solid. I'm in MO and the cars will be more available for possible R&D after Dec 11. The cars are seen by thousands each week and are regularly at car shows. Soooo there you go.
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Old 10-15-2010, 04:12 PM   #17
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I have 5 possibly 6 V6's that may be ready for this upgrade (and I can't leave the lone SS out either LOL) Am interested in STS's setup but would like to wait for a few other options before I commit 35-40k or more to this project. It has to be solid. I'm in MO and the cars will be more available for possible R&D after Dec 11. The cars are seen by thousands each week and are regularly at car shows. Soooo there you go.


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The only company that you will find to tune the V6 would be Trifecta (as of right now), same company doing the STS kit.
I talked to a Speed shop and ANYCAR can be tuned. These handheld tuners are not that good.....When you tune a car you tune every gear and every RPM range you want...its a long process if you do it right. This is what I was told so I'm just going with what he told me and he showed me some of his cars that made to Magazines..etc. So what I'm trying to say is that you guys are saying there is only one company that has a tune...
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I talked to a Speed shop and ANYTHING can be tuned. These handheld tuners are not that good.....When you tune a car you tune every gear and every RPM range you want...its a long process if you do it right. This is what I was told so I'm just going with what he told me and he showed me some of his cars that made to Magazines..etc. So what I'm trying to say is that you guys are saying there is only one company that has a tune...
Did you specifically tell him it was the LLT engine on the 2010-2011 Camaro? If there is someone besides Trifecta (and their resellers) doing the tune it would be the first I've heard of it.
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I talked to a Speed shop and ANYTHING can be tuned. These handheld tuners are not that good.....When you tune a car you tune every gear and every RPM range you want...its a long process if you do it right. This is what I was told so I'm just going with what he told me and he showed me some of his cars that made to Magazines..etc. So what I'm trying to say is that you guys are saying there is only one company that has a tune...
As Growl, pointed out there is CURRENTLY only one company offering tunes for the 2010+ V6 Camaro... The Camaro uses a very different computer (ECU) than the ones your speed shop is used to seeing...

Now as far as handheld tuners, like SCT and Diablo... yes, a "canned" tune is only so good.. so yes, for an optimal tune you want a custom dyno tune or at least a data log based tune (which is what Trifecta does).
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As Growl, pointed out there is CURRENTLY only one company offering tunes for the 2010+ V6 Camaro... The Camaro uses a very different computer (ECU) than the ones your speed shop is used to seeing...

Now as far as handheld tuners, like SCT and Diablo... yes, a "canned" tune is only so good.. so yes, for an optimal tune you want a custom dyno tune or at least a data log based tune (which is what Trifecta does).
Thanks....I'll mention that to him....
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Price sounds extremely fair. Kudos to the IPS, i really hope you guys can come through with a great kit that is great for us as well as you!
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What's the difference between the other TT kits out there?
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