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Old 10-19-2010, 07:15 PM   #1
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Clutch being replaced

So I finally took my car in to have the "sticking clutch" issue looked at since i'm at 7500 miles. They drive it and say they didn't see a problem and give it back. I told a tech there that the next time it sticks I'm going to just leave it so the "problem that is hard to repeat" breaks it.

On the way home getting onto the freeway and shifting into 3rd as usual, sticks on me. push the clutch in and shift into 6th...let the clutch out...sticks again.... so i just left it... so going 75 for a good 5 miles half engaged...needless to say smoke starts pouring out from under the car and the clutch goes to the floor on its own.

Call the dealer, and have it towed back to the dealership. Now that it's cooled off the clutch works again...but is mushy and obviously worn as the catch point has changed.

Tech says that he still see's nothing wrong and says I'm an aggressive driver and probably causing the clutch to stick myself... I go for a drive on side streets in traffic and he comments on me leaving my foot over the clutch pedal while driving instead of putting it to the side on the floor plate. He also says if the clutch is shot that I will be paying to replace it and that my long tubes might possibly be heating the transmission...

I talk to the service manager and he says he will have it looked at and has the service shuttle give me a ride home.

This morning he calls and says that they didn't even take the transmission apart and called the regional guy who said that the camaros have an issue with the clutch actuator wearing out the clutch and that they will be replacing the worn parts.

They ordered parts #24255748 and #19210297. My understanding is that the first part # is a kit that is an updated clutch assembly etc.

We shall how long it takes the parts to get here.

My service advisor wasn't very happy that I was asking questions about seeing the parts after they are removed and wanting the part #'s that were ordered.

Hopefully this fixes the problem. I know many others have had the same clutch issue so I'm hoping my experience helps...

Now lets hope he gets back to me without any dings and dents in him...
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Had mine replaced months ago, under warranty.
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Still waiting on parts. I will post pics of the removed clutch after if I can.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:51 PM   #4
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Still waiting on parts. I will post pics of the removed clutch after if I can.
wonder if the 2011's are having the same problems?
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Good for you!

Had mine replaced months ago, under warranty.
how did you get it replaced under warranty? the clutch isnt covered under the powertrain correct?
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:44 PM   #6
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oh i thought it just didnt cover items like brakes,clutch, oil stuff like that
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how did you get it replaced under warranty? the clutch isnt covered under the powertrain correct?
Only if it's wear is caused by the failure of another part. i.e. if a caliper locks up they will replace the brake pads too.
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The issue is the master/slave system. Has been since 1997 when the C5 vette was released. Every clutch will burn up if the pedal sticks and you try to drive w/it. The tech that gave you the bull### line is an idiot or just started working on GM cars a few days beofre. This is a well documented issue with all GM manual trans vehicles.
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The issue is the master/slave system. Has been since 1997 when the C5 vette was released. This is a well documented issue with all GM manual trans vehicles.
Thanks for the information. (hopefully the Z solves this glitch)
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The issue is the master/slave system. Has been since 1997 when the C5 vette was released. Every clutch will burn up if the pedal sticks and you try to drive w/it. The tech that gave you the bull### line is an idiot or just started working on GM cars a few days beofre. This is a well documented issue with all GM manual trans vehicles.
With all due respect to your opinion SC2150 that's not the problem: the problem was already indicated by MillerTime dealership's technician: the problem is Mr. MillerTime "is an aggressive driver".

Yeaph.... that's the thing!!! See Millertime???!!!

You are mistaken in your choice of car... you should have bought a real car with a real tranny so you can drive it in the real world like a real man.

The "regional guy" (regional service manager I assume) does not know what he is talking about, the technician is the guy with the knowledge, he's got the pulse on your situation.

Well pardon for writing so much..I'll just go out to my garage now and talk softly and nicely to my cars, especially to EXCELSIOR (my CAMARO), asking how they sleept last night and if the are in the mood for a nice morning ride to a flower & garden show... in fact that's the tone of voice I will use, talk to them like they were a flower... Oh heck! I just realized I have nothing pink to wear in my closet.. or wardrobe I should say!!

Oh my, Oh my....


I feel a bit revolted right now!!


Please let us now (with pics if possible) about the condition of the parts that were removed. Your are absolutely right in wanting to check this out...

Wqit a second,,,,, no, no, no... see MillerTime there you are being aggresive again.

You're upsetting the service advisor there at the dealership (sin of sins!!!).. and that remark about dings and dents... what could you possible be implying!!!

All the dealerships are zealots about caring for their customers priced vehicles while in their custody, are they not?? How dare you!!!!!

My friend I think your have an attitude problem.. you should trade in your car... for a VW Bettlee.. painted in low Lemon or mild Yellow.


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cool good to know because the other day i was taking off at a light an as i release the clutch at the contact point it stayed down an started burning the clutch a little. instead of releasing all the way like normal.
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With all due respect to your opinion SC2150 that's not the problem: the problem was already indicated by MillerTime dealership's technician: the problem is Mr. MillerTime "is an aggressive driver".

Yeaph.... that's the thing!!! See Millertime???!!!

You are mistaken in your choice of car... you should have bought a real car with a real tranny so you can drive it in the real world like a real man.

The "regional guy" (regional service manager I assume) does not know what he is talking about, the technician is the guy with the knowledge, he's got the pulse on your situation.

Well pardon for writing so much..I'll just go out to my garage now and talk softly and nicely to my cars, especially to EXCELSIOR (my CAMARO), asking how they sleept last night and if the are in the mood for a nice morning ride to a flower & garden show... in fact that's the tone of voice I will use, talk to them like they were a flower... Oh heck! I just realized I have nothing pink to wear in my closet.. or wardrobe I should say!!

Oh my, Oh my....


I feel a bit revolted right now!!


Please let us now (with pics if possible) about the condition of the parts that were removed. Your are absolutely right in wanting to check this out...

Wqit a second,,,,, no, no, no... see MillerTime there you are being aggresive again.

You're upsetting the service advisor there at the dealership (sin of sins!!!).. and that remark about dings and dents... what could you possible be implying!!!

All the dealerships are zealots about caring for their customers priced vehicles while in their custody, are they not?? How dare you!!!!!

My friend I think your have an attitude problem.. you should trade in your car... for a VW Bettlee.. painted in low Lemon or mild Yellow.


Best of luck with that dealership service dept!!!

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cool good to know because the other day i was taking off at a light an as i release the clutch at the contact point it stayed down an started burning the clutch a little. instead of releasing all the way like normal.
I would document it and take it in. Every time it does it take it in and eventually they will look at it.
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Of course the Camaro is not portrayed as a "Performance Car" in any of GM's commercials, and just because the state it's zero-sixty times in adds does not mead YOU should ever try to see if it really can, and of course, that pedal on the right should NEVER be pressed all the way down! Some dealers get it, but so many are just mindless bull-s##ters. You realize that the averadge car buyer has no idea when the tech or service writer is scamming them, so I think some make it policy to first ry and blame the driver for any issue.
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I got mine back on Thursday.

I was not able to get pictures but here's the conversation I had with the "tech"

Me: So how did the clutch look?

Tech: Clutch was fine, a little shiny but nothing too bad

Me: Normal huh? Well I'm sure you found some material from how hot that clutch got...I mean there was smoke coming off the back of my car on the freeway!

T: Nope nothing that I could find. It might just be the actuator is weak and not fully engaging the clutch.

Me: Well what is all the black material on the bell housing here? (pointing at a ring of clutch material in a ring around the forward interior of the bell housing) ??

T: that's normal wear. I still think your slipping the clutch too much or riding the clutch like i mentioned before.

Me: Well I can tell you that that it's normal and shouldn't be there at 7500 miles. I may get on it every now and then, but there shouldn't be any clutch material there.

T: Well either way they said that the Actuator is eating up clutches on these camaros so they said to replace it. Your lucky because if an engineer saw the headers and no cats, he would void your warranty out and you'd be paying for the clutch.

Me: The cats are emissions only and your gonna have a hard time proving that headers smoked a clutch when you know your actuators are weak.

T: Well if it keeps happening you will know your causing it and not the actuator.

Me: I guarantee you it's not my driving habits.

T: We shall see.

To top it all off...they took my car through their car wash If it weren't for the wax on the paint the swirls would be horrible instead of hit and miss...


I will say that the clutch grabs much quicker and smoother ( well no shit because it's brand new ) but I have a couple questions for other M6 owners.

1. The clutch is really easy to push in.. VERY easy... grabs just fine...but feels like a civic clutch instead of something with more HP under the hood..

2. How far down is "normal" for the clutch to be pressed before it starts to dis-engage the clutch? I push mine in about 2-3 inches before you feel the clutch actually moving.

Over all I'm happy they replaced it... Now to deal with my finicky voltage regulator...
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All I have to say is I would take my business elsewhere. That dealership sounds like a bunch of a$$holes that need to go bankrupt!!! I do agree on the clutch issue, I hate the way my clutch engages/disengages!!! No biggie though since I'm goin with a ZR1 clutch in the near future to hopefully avoid your problem :S But yeah seriously, go to another dealership for future service in my opinion.
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I got mine back on Thursday.

I was not able to get pictures but here's the conversation I had with the "tech"

Me: So how did the clutch look?

Tech: Clutch was fine, a little shiny but nothing too bad

Me: Normal huh? Well I'm sure you found some material from how hot that clutch got...I mean there was smoke coming off the back of my car on the freeway!

T: Nope nothing that I could find. It might just be the actuator is weak and not fully engaging the clutch.

Me: Well what is all the black material on the bell housing here? (pointing at a ring of clutch material in a ring around the forward interior of the bell housing) ??

T: that's normal wear. I still think your slipping the clutch too much or riding the clutch like i mentioned before.

Me: Well I can tell you that that it's normal and shouldn't be there at 7500 miles. I may get on it every now and then, but there shouldn't be any clutch material there.

T: Well either way they said that the Actuator is eating up clutches on these camaros so they said to replace it. Your lucky because if an engineer saw the headers and no cats, he would void your warranty out and you'd be paying for the clutch.

Me: The cats are emissions only and your gonna have a hard time proving that headers smoked a clutch when you know your actuators are weak.

T: Well if it keeps happening you will know your causing it and not the actuator.

Me: I guarantee you it's not my driving habits.

T: We shall see.

To top it all off...they took my car through their car wash If it weren't for the wax on the paint the swirls would be horrible instead of hit and miss...


I will say that the clutch grabs much quicker and smoother ( well no shit because it's brand new ) but I have a couple questions for other M6 owners.

1. The clutch is really easy to push in.. VERY easy... grabs just fine...but feels like a civic clutch instead of something with more HP under the hood..

2. How far down is "normal" for the clutch to be pressed before it starts to dis-engage the clutch? I push mine in about 2-3 inches before you feel the clutch actually moving.

Over all I'm happy they replaced it... Now to deal with my finicky voltage regulator...
Charging issue? turn off the DIC in the tune for GenL I blieve.

If you have an aftermarket sound system the draw may be triggering it. A billet alt overdrive pulley usually cures it:



The smallest are the alt overdrive pulleys. Easy swap.
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All I have to say is I would take my business elsewhere. That dealership sounds like a bunch of a$$holes that need to go bankrupt!!! I do agree on the clutch issue, I hate the way my clutch engages/disengages!!! No biggie though since I'm goin with a ZR1 clutch in the near future to hopefully avoid your problem :S But yeah seriously, go to another dealership for future service in my opinion.
I know most of the techs and unfortunately the tech worked on the team of the service writer I used... New writer with a different team will solve my issue next time. The guys i went with were un-professional IMHO.
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Charging issue? turn off the DIC in the tune for GenL I blieve.

If you have an aftermarket sound system the draw may be triggering it. A billet alt overdrive pulley usually cures it:
In the DIC I'm not getting the battery light or anything, just the voltage indicator will show me running at 12.7V sometimes. Most times it's normal at 13.9-14.3, but every now and then i'll start him up and will be running at 12.6/7 volts...

No sound system here, and I am trying to stay stock on the pulleys for warranty issues... I'm already pushing it with LT's and suspension parts.. LOL
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My Chevy dealer printed out a certified GM letter stating that IMPROPER use of the LAUNCH CONTROL is the CAUSE.

TOO BAD I HAVE NEVER USED THE RETARDED LAUNCH CONTROL.

My first car in 1979 was a 1971 Chevelle Malibu with a replaced 350ci LT1 with 370hp and a muncie M-22 with a Comp Plus Hurst shifter, I BEAT THE CRAP out of this car and NEVER HAD ISSUES.

My 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS has NEVER been beaten even CLOSE to my OLD 10 bolt 3:36 light weight rearend.

I FORGOT to ADD my rear is messed up also.

WHAT NEXT?

P.O.S. DRIVETRAIN.

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That 4800a bulletin just says its a common problem...not that it is the cause...just keep taking it back. If they dont fix it call the 1-800 number and tell them the dealer is ignoring your issue. It is a documented problem with gm so they will fix it.
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That 4800a bulletin just says its a common problem...not that it is the cause...just keep taking it back. If they dont fix it call the 1-800 number and tell them the dealer is ignoring your issue. It is a documented problem with gm so they will fix it.
Thankyou. A mature responce to an aggrivated person(me)

I think I will just let it go. No job, unemployment might be gone soon???

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To top it all off...they took my car through their car wash If it weren't for the wax on the paint the swirls would be horrible instead of hit and miss...


I will say that the clutch grabs much quicker and smoother ( well no shit because it's brand new ) but I have a couple questions for other M6 owners.

1. The clutch is really easy to push in.. VERY easy... grabs just fine...but feels like a civic clutch instead of something with more HP under the hood..

2. How far down is "normal" for the clutch to be pressed before it starts to dis-engage the clutch? I push mine in about 2-3 inches before you feel the clutch actually moving.

Over all I'm happy they replaced it... Now to deal with my finicky voltage regulator...


MillerTime:

This is an excerpt from a response I posted a couple of months ago on a thread discussing starting manual transmission CAMAROs in gears other than 1st.
Perhaps compunding the problem a bit on our cars are the facts that:

1) The CAMARO has a hidraulic clutch as opposed to a cable operated clutch (standard in other cars) so getting a feel for it is a bit more difficult;

2) the actual "pick up point" or "sweet spot" of the clutch is kind of small (in my CAMARO is in between half an inch to about three quarters of an inch of pedal travel), then it slips (partial grab) incrementing all the way up to about one inch and a half or two inches from the final travel of the pedal when it "totally hooks" (completes the firm engagement of the engine and transmission);
Hope this will give you and idea or a starting point in the actuation of the CAMARO's clutch.

Incidentally, I have yet to heard about any dealership of any brand (german cars included) that does not make a terrible job when "washing the car".

I always provide a printed list of the does and dont's when handling my car to the dealership service dept and at the end of it in bold letters on a larger size I instruct not to wash the car, plus I print two 8" 1/2 x 11" with a large message "DO NOT WASH THIS CAR" and tape them to one side window and to the windshield.

I also call to find about the progress of whatever it is they are doing and remind them, again, not to wash the automobile.

Guess what?? one in five times they will wash it anyway and it will have swirl marks and some other mess.

It is like going to the dentist: no matter what you are in for, it is going to hurt!

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Thank you. A mature response to an aggravated person(me)

I think I will just let it go. No job, unemployment might be gone soon???

Have a Great Day

After two or three times of the same thing call that 1-800 number man, Your dealership will not appreciate you going over their head, but they aren't paying for the repair so I don't know why they throw such a shit fit about it. Seeing as though it IS a documented problem they WILL fix it if you go over their head and say your dealer is ignoring your problem. Best of luck!
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