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Old 01-02-2009, 07:22 PM   #1
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Jan 2 Canadian UPDATE

I got some WRITTEN responses from management at a dealer to a list of questions.

No IDL broadcast yet scheduled for Canada on the 9th.
No word on Ambient Lighting. (one way or the other)
He understands USA cars will be built 1st.
Mid Feb is still start up date.
Confirmation # ONLY given upon order ACCEPTED. (in Canada )
No known delays due to Lawsuit.
NO paint samples available in Canada yet.
No further updates for Canada since DEC 5TH.
He understands V8 cars built FIRST but not sure for how long.
Confirms SGC replaces spare tire on cars with spare

Seem's like talking to your wife's lawyer to find out what she wants in the settlement.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:48 PM   #2
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Yeah its def frustrating! My dealer is like a deer in headlights when I call and ask him a question. He always asks where the heck I get my updates from and I always promote this forum. Woops better say good things about him lol!!
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It just cracks me up that we all know more than our dealers do
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I agree....my dealer just looks at me like...um, where did you get that info? When I told them back in Nov. that SS would be offered in blue, and the RS package would have the option of polished wheels, he was like, sure....then bam...it happens....what really freaked him out, was when I sent him a pic of the paint color brochure....before they even had any idea it was coming to them
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OK I am Canadian also, and this is total BS. From what I have heard, no dealer in canada has gotten the paint sample brochures, and yet I look on friggin EBAY and some stupid a-holes are selling them for $10?
I don't know if anyone from the Canadian side of GM or even a Canadian dealership employee looks at this website, but you guys need to get your heads in the game. I have commited almost 50 grand (Canadian price, you Americans are lucky) on a car I haven't seen in person with colors I have only seen on other vehicles, and you can't give me a paint sample book or a friggin thank-you letter?
Also, saw that GMPP released prices on the accesories today, phoned my salesman and yep, you guessed it, no idea what the Canadian prices will be.

Shame on you General Motors of Canada, SHAME
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OK I am Canadian also, and this is total BS. From what I have heard, no dealer in canada has gotten the paint sample brochures, and yet I look on friggin EBAY and some stupid a-holes are selling them for $10?
I don't know if anyone from the Canadian side of GM or even a Canadian dealership employee looks at this website, but you guys need to get your heads in the game. I have commited almost 50 grand (Canadian price, you Americans are lucky) on a car I haven't seen in person with colors I have only seen on other vehicles, and you can't give me a paint sample book or a friggin thank-you letter?
Also, saw that GMPP released prices on the accesories today, phoned my salesman and yep, you guessed it, no idea what the Canadian prices will be.

Shame on you General Motors of Canada, SHAME

Yeah... like you I also find it hard to believe that an industry can be so in the dark and dare I say it borderline of incompetent. How can this be good for the industry.

I too have ordered the top of the line 2SS/RS with all the whistles and ordered from my dealer who didn’t even KNOW hardly anything on the car.

I run a computer company… if you came to me about buying a computer from me and I looked like I was stoned or YOU knew more about computers than I did… would you wanna buy? Or would you wanna leave it to be fixed?

And b4 anyone says find a better dealer I’m at the BIGGEST Chevy dealer in my town and it’s a relatively small town so I don’t have that many options.

Almost $50K and not even touched it, saw it in person, haven’t heard it, felt it. I’m not that worried cos I KNOW this is the right car for me. Heck we all cant be wrong about this car can we?

I’m not bitter that my dealer knows less than me cos information is power. I KNOW when I am being shafted and when I am not. This way I’m always 10 miles in front of my dealer and NO ONE there can pull one on me, I wont take any BS!! And THEY KNOW IT NOW!

It’s a small price I’m willing to pay to stay ahead!
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Most dealers don't have nearly as much information as regular members here. I find they also tend to BS there way through a conversation if they don't know the answer. I will send an email to the Canadian marketing team to get some answers to your questions.
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I agree....my dealer just looks at me like...um, where did you get that info? When I told them back in Nov. that SS would be offered in blue, and the RS package would have the option of polished wheels, he was like, sure....then bam...it happens....what really freaked him out, was when I sent him a pic of the paint color brochure....before they even had any idea it was coming to them
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Most dealers don't have nearly as much information as regular members here. I find they also tend to BS there way through a conversation if they don't know the answer. I will send an email to the Canadian marketing team to get some answers to your questions.
I completely agree that it is BS the way that information is making its way out to dealers (both US and Canadian) and the fact that there is so much discrepancy in the information that is out there. But I do have to defend the dealers just a bit. We have to remember that we are fanatics and enthusiasts. Many of us spend hours on this and other sites a day researching the Camaro and searching for the latest information. The salespeople have dozens or more different cars to sell and many of them don't have (or take) the time that we do to research the Camaro. They may also not have the luxury that we have of talking with actual GM personnel on this forum and in person. Now, I am not saying it is right, I am just saying that we have to give that a little consideration when slamming a dealer.

I think that the way all dealers should be handling this is the way that my dealer is doing it. They have only one person who can talk about and take orders for the Camaro. That way, everyone gets a consistent message (right or wrong). I applaud dealers like Scotty and TeamLynn (and any others) that have made the effort to be on these forums, educating themselves and providing up with great information too.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:47 AM   #9
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When selling what seems to me to be the hottest car on the planet in a decade, one would think that GM would do lots more to educate their dealers on these Camaro's. Yes they have other types of cars to sell, BUT as I said this is the HOTTEST car on the planet and guess what? It is selling at MSRP. How many of the other cars/trucks on the dealers lots are selling for this. The answer is........NONE! No one ever pays MSRP on any other vehicle unless they are just plain stupid. The only reason any of us that ARE paying MSRP on the Camaro is b/c we want to be the first, we've been waiting so damn long on it, and did I mention it's the hottest car on the planet? So I guess it boils down to maybe I'm a little stupid for that. However just by paying attention to this site and not my dealer, I've learned tons about this car and I think that it should be kind of an embarrasment of sorts to GM and most of their dealers b/c they are not letting info. out as they should. All this suspense was kind of a fun little game for awhile, BUT now. Let's roll with this and talk about the car and what is absolutely DOES have and DOES NOT have.

I think GM now owes the success of this car to at the very least 10,000 die-hard Camaro fans who have ordered this car sight unseen. How many other cars in history can claim this much fame. I refuse to look up this info. b/c well, I just can't believe any other car can.

I will give kudos to the dealers like CamaroScotty and TeamLynn and any others that have maintained an awesome relationship with the consumers,(the people who pay the bills) and this site and GM. GM should have encouraged this sort of behavior long ago.

Long live the Camaro.

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Old 01-03-2009, 12:37 PM   #10
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Your dealer is still an idiot, even if that dealer is right some of the time.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:52 PM   #11
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Most dealers don't have nearly as much information as regular members here. I find they also tend to BS there way through a conversation if they don't know the answer. I will send an email to the Canadian marketing team to get some answers to your questions.
This should help.

My responses came from dealer management rather than the newest salesman.

Why is there no IDL on the 9th in Canada ? And paint chips.... made here but N/A? I brought back from SEMA the only material the dealer has.
No update in a month?

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Old 01-04-2009, 12:33 PM   #12
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Most dealers don't have nearly as much information as regular members here. I find they also tend to BS there way through a conversation if they don't know the answer. I will send an email to the Canadian marketing team to get some answers to your questions.
..You mean there IS a Canadian marketing team?...who is it ..Bob and Doug Mackenzie?.
GM Canada really is taking it up the wazoo on this one if they are not promoting the Camaro in exactly the same time frame and fashion as the U.S. market. The argument is false that the market size dictates the performance in these matters. If the material is available it is available.

IF in fact Canadian delivery is intentionally lagged behind US orders, I will cancel my order in a heartbeat. Thats not a threat to anyone, just a fact.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:17 PM   #13
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Ok for all of the Canadians out there who live in Durham Region, Ontario Motor Sales in Oshawa is the best bet for info and sales. Dana Andrew Golden is my sales consultant and is very well informed with regards to the new Camaro. Considering this dealership is six mins away from the Camaro plant and is the biggest Chev dealership around these parts ,they have a lot riding on the success of the new 5thGen. I'm always asking Dana questions about the car and he has always had the answer or got back to me asap, plus the fact he's a NASCAR nut really helps !!

As an employee of GM in the Camaro plant i want all of you to be happy and satisfied with your dealer. If anyone wants to contact Dana his email is dgolden@ontariomotorsales.com hopefully those in and around the Oshawa region will be able to get some answers and have Dana do a deal for your new Camaro's. As one person who fully believes in GM and Camaro i would just like to say 'Thank You' to all of you for supporting GM and the Oshawa team , you won't be disappointed.
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^^ not to sound like a dick, but if you work at the Camaro plant could you answer some of this for us? Like have you heard anything about GMPP canadian prices? Or maybe when we might get some friggin paint sample books?
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I have taken delivery of lots (lost count) of new GM products since 1971. Pontiac's, Vet's, 9 Silverado/Tahoe , CAMARO, STS, EURO SPORT wagon, Corsica, etc etc. We have done our due diligence on each car. Without CAMARO5 I would know squat about this car.
The purchase and delivery details are as important as the quality of the product. I am sure this new model will be of the highest quality. What will eventually kill GM is not poor build quality BUT poor salesmanship. You can have the best widget out there but if no one knows about it when you decide you want to buy one .... NO SALE .

I have gotten use to being "the 1st guy to ask that question ". What still bothers me is the shear magnitude of incompetence this company allows to exist at the Franchisee level.

The USA market has materials and cars the consumer can touch and feel. Here on the wet coast we have not had in 3 years even a hint of a look at the new CAMARO at the Pacific International Car Show. I had to go to SEMA to see this car. I belong to a car club that is 50 years old with over 100 members. When I asked at our last meeting who was aware of a new CAMARO only 2 hands went up.

I can go to 10 dealers and get 10 different answers. AND THEY have no IDL planned for Canada !!!!!!! It is a "WORLD MARKET" but they are still selling like they did in 1958.

How long are even the most loyal GM supporters suppose put up with this.?

I will contact the dealer 2500 miles away. It is a shame we may have only one in the entire country that actually knows what's going on. Possibly only because they are next door.? Does this mean the info and decisions FROM in the Ivory Tower are the source of the problem? :(

Given the current state of business, everyone including both National Governments will see how well this car rolls out. This may very well be GM'S last kick at the can. The designers did their job. The success will fall to the guys wearing ties in Marketing and Sales.
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So after reading all of these comments and concerns, I have a question. Obviously all of us that are members on here have gotten loads of great information thanks to this site. And our orders account for >4% of the total 10,000 (last time I counted). So how exactly have the other 96% made their purchase decisions? I mean there's 5thGen and Z28, but still that can't cover all 10,000 people can it?
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Like realestate dealers who sell the 1st building lots to the builders before the public can purchase them, I expect a lot of Chevy dealers have ordered product that actually has no real purchaser, so they could get those 5 and 10 over MSRP from unsuspecting and uniformed buyers.
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^^ not to sound like a dick, but if you work at the Camaro plant could you answer some of this for us? Like have you heard anything about GMPP canadian prices? Or maybe when we might get some friggin paint sample books?

Sorry i don't have access to the Canadian prices or paint samples. I just help build them. I truly wish i could help with your request. I guess the only thing i can suggest is to continue asking for answers from your dealer.
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I do believe this car will be well built. The guys and girls on the plant floor will do this car justice. I do not expect them to provide the data an informed buyer needs to feel comfortable parting with 40 grand (after taxes) . If GM can't get us paint samples and we have to get them off EBay, how well will they do with the delivery of the car?

GM should make daily reading of this site a requirement for every salesperson until this car has been on the lot for 30 days.
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Here is a question perhaps someone can answer, perhaps a Canadian GM dealership, did the Canadian dealerships receive the "Initial Ordering Handbook" for the Camaro that posted here on this website 2 months ago? Was it sent to the dealers and made manditory reading or not?
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Related to that ....the ordering data was updated on Jan 2nd (from Dec 19th) but dealers out here have seen nothing new since Dec 5th. SEE STICKY
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OK then Super60, can you at least tell me this: Is the Camaro friggin sweet or what?
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Hey Super60, do you guys still have parts from Cadence or what? Have they announced any more about the tooling for the dashboard? How many are you building this week? Keep us informed, thanks.
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OK then Super60, can you at least tell me this: Is the Camaro friggin sweet or what?

Absolutely 100% gorgeous. I'm in love with each one i see on the line !!!
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Hey Super60, do you guys still have parts from Cadence or what? Have they announced any more about the tooling for the dashboard? How many are you building this week? Keep us informed, thanks.
Sorry not my dept .
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