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Old 10-22-2010, 09:31 AM   #1
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New Dual & Triple intank fuel set up

Looks like the folks at fore precision works are in the process of finishing their new intank fuel pump solution for the Camaro. I have been in context with them along the process of this project, it will turn out very nice, and be economical.

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"Entering production soon, we proudly announce the new fuel system standard for the 5th generation Camaro. Using the same technology used in our Mustang and Chrysler products, this system will be capable of supporting up to 1300 rear wheel horsepower in your original fuel tank. The entire OEM function of the fuel tank will be maintained, from the level sender, fuel filler neck, and even has an integrated venturi pump to preserve the factory crossover function. You even have the option of running a full return system, or maintaining the OEM return less setup.

Hermetic wire seals and teflon insulated, silver plated copper wires for years of trouble free operation
Integrated venturi pump for full OEM tank capacity and usability
True bolt-in installation: no cutting or fabrication for installation
Uses OEM quality GSS340 pumps for maximum reliability, performance, and quiet operation
Capacity of the same performance of a "2000hp" external pump in a reliable, in tank package without the noise.
Full billet and o-ring construction for maximum reliability...no welds, caulk, or mis-applied OEM parts
Reuses OEM level sender for complete compatibility with factory electronics "





Should be a great fit for a lot of consumers on this forum, and specifically FI guys! If any one has any questions let me know, we are always on the front edge of new products!

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Old 10-22-2010, 09:37 AM   #2
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Looks good!!!!
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:00 AM   #3
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looks good but to get 1300 hp out of it seems that you will have to redo the entire system w/1/2" fuel line.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:30 AM   #4
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:52 AM   #5
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looks good but to get 1300 hp out of it seems that you will have to redo the entire system w/1/2" fuel line.
I don't think 1/2" is necessary but if you are going for 1300 hp your redoing your fuel system completely in one way or another !

As for price, this has not been released yet, but should be coming sooner rather then later.

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Old 10-22-2010, 11:23 AM   #6
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I don't think 1/2" is necessary but if you are going for 1300 hp your redoing your fuel system completely in one way or another !

As for price, this has not been released yet, but should be coming sooner rather then later.

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Old 10-22-2010, 12:22 PM   #7
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Bet it lands just below the competitions setup ADM cough lol I dont see it being more expensive due to the fact that there is one already out they will undercut it and advertise good performance and quality. Bet YA!
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brandon can i get on the list
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Old 10-22-2010, 02:03 PM   #9
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Yes

Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

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Old 10-22-2010, 04:09 PM   #10
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:17 PM   #11
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This looks promising!

Are any upgrades to the wiring planned/needed to support extra current draw? (If there is any extra draw)
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I have been waiting for a triple setup for awhile now and one of the last parts so I can get my car back together. Very nice piece.
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I have been waiting for a triple setup for awhile now and one of the last parts so I can get my car back together. Very nice piece.
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:17 PM   #14
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Is this still using the OEM fuel control module?
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That looks like a great system Brandon. Awesome for the HP people on this site. One piece of info that may be helpful is at what PSI they rate their pumps at. High boost applications require some pretty high sustained pump PSI. Nice looking unit
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Is this still using the OEM fuel control module?
Yeah what he asked...bahahahaha
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Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

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Old 10-22-2010, 10:23 PM   #18
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We use the Fore precision pump kits in our Mustang builds. Its definately a quality product. The twin and triple mustang kits run about 500 bucks (plus a couple hundred for the pumps), so it should be extremely competitive.

We know of 3 other reputable companys building billet fuel systems for Camaros, so this upcoming year should really turn out to be a giant leap forward in making these cars even faster. No more having to buy 900 dollar CTS-V knock off pump hats.

IPS, Congrats on the IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) World Record for the Corvette. You guys smashed it like it was a walk in the park. You will be in the 7's by the end of 2011.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:30 PM   #19
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Fore makes great stuff. I ran a triple pump set up in my 993rwhp Lightning.
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Ok I am just throwing this out there since Teddy P25 did not get an answer.
I am in the process of building my ls3 and when we began to address the fuel delivery issues here is what we found. We found that the BAP systems were not fully effective due to the stock controller reducing the volt boost. We also found that the stock unit was not capable of delivering enough power for dual fuel pump systems. This led us back to the ADM option which includes a new Fuel Controller unit. Tuners have been getting false positives when setting psi boost requests on their software. When manual checks were performed the results were significantly less than the call from the system. psi was found to be as low as 45 psi on a 70 psi table under WOT.
That is why Ted was asking if stock controller is used with this package. I came very close to just nixing the entire stock tank and going with aftermarket tank and pump system. Seems like fuel delivery upgrades are lagging behind when the need has been there from the start. The bottom line is to make sure no matter what fuel upgrade system chosen it is vital to do manual checks rather than going by the tables of the tuning software as the GM fuel controller on the Camaro is not letting the voltage by nor has the capability to operate dual pumps on its own. Just my opinion but based on some pretty good facts and results from test on several high HP units.
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Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

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Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it
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Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

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Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it

I will post our 4 pump system when I get back to the shop on Monday.
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Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it

I will post our 4 pump system when I get back to the shop on Monday.
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Yeah what he asked...bahahahaha
Speedster and others - I believe this system utilizes Walbro 255lph fuel pumps. With this system set up as a return style running a base pressure around 45 there should be no issues at all. I will see if I cant post up the Walbro flow chart (once I dig it up).

Andy - See you always have an Ace in the hole which is why I figured you had some solution. Four pumps is wild to say the least that would be PLENTY for 1500+ hp, assuming you're using 255's.

As for fuel pressure tables versus actual pressure calibrations I will have Eric our tuner lay some context on this topic as I myself may not be quite as well versed. I do know how ever if you create a return style system and run a 1:1 regulator this becomes some what of a mute topic from a calibration perspective, at least from our results, again I will have more context later on this.


Total perf. Eng. - Thank you, we put in a lot of unique skills and fabrication into our IRS record C6Z and it has paid off. We recently just changed valve springs and seat pressures to change some valve float issues we believed to have at 21 psi, which we set the current record at 19-20 psi. We have taken the car to a quick test session and logged good 23+ psi passes on the big end so we are excited to try at the 7's one more time before snow fall here in the mid west. We will have the car at the imports versus domestics for its final race this season.

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Speedster and others - I believe this system utilizes Walbro 255lph fuel pumps. With this system set up as a return style running a base pressure around 45 there should be no issues at all. I will see if I cant post up the Walbro flow chart (once I dig it up).

Andy - See you always have an Ace in the hole which is why I figured you had some solution. Four pumps is wild to say the least that would be PLENTY for 1500+ hp, assuming you're using 255's.

As for fuel pressure tables versus actual pressure calibrations I will have Eric our tuner lay some context on this topic as I myself may not be quite as well versed. I do know how ever if you create a return style system and run a 1:1 regulator this becomes some what of a mute topic from a calibration perspective, at least from our results, again I will have more context later on this.


Total perf. Eng. - Thank you, we put in a lot of unique skills and fabrication into our IRS record C6Z and it has paid off. We recently just changed valve springs and seat pressures to change some valve float issues we believed to have at 21 psi, which we set the current record at 19-20 psi. We have taken the car to a quick test session and logged good 23+ psi passes on the big end so we are excited to try at the 7's one more time before snow fall here in the mid west. We will have the car at the imports versus domestics for its final race this season.

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Fore makes a beautiful system,just not sure what they intend to do with the FPCM !
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