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Old 10-25-2010, 08:24 AM   #126
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Gen V with D.I.?
Possibly but I think that engine will debut in the vette at least 1 year before the camaro gets it (as did the L98, LT1, LS1 and LS3). If the vette gets the new engine in 2012 then the camaro won't get it until 2013.

They will more than likely give the LS3/L99 a nice send-off by giving it a better tune and better camshaft profile. As many have indicated already, the current factory tune is inefficient. I'm getting tired of wiping all the black soot off the back of my car from the unburned fuel.
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I'll guess they bump it to 450 ...

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Old 10-25-2010, 10:09 AM   #128
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I wonder how they are going to work it into the rear seats. Guess they weren't good for much anyways.
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obviously you can never have enough power for these cars, the camaro is already at a big disadvantage because of its weight, ford mustang on the other hand is years ahead of the competition, it offers its customers more performance parts, the mustang has a supercharger with warranty already available, gm cant even make f-ing cold air intake for the camaro. the only good thing the camaro has going for it its the killer looks. GM really needs to start offering more performance parts with some kind of warranty, GM should start by offering the LS9 based supercharger as a complete kit for the camaro with some type of warranty and a real cold air intake, give us good tunes at the dealers with every power adder call it a day,
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:41 AM   #130
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, gm cant even make f-ing cold air intake for the camaro. ,
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:45 AM   #131
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Possibly but I think that engine will debut in the vette at least 1 year before the camaro gets it (as did the L98, LT1, LS1 and LS3). If the vette gets the new engine in 2012 then the camaro won't get it until 2013.

They will more than likely give the LS3/L99 a nice send-off by giving it a better tune and better camshaft profile. As many have indicated already, the current factory tune is inefficient. I'm getting tired of wiping all the black soot off the back of my car from the unburned fuel.
You're probably right, but I'm still crossing my fingers. Didn't the LT-1 debut as a new engine in both Z28 and Corvette, though, the same year? Given CAMARO is only a few years old by then, I wouldn't typically think it'd get a fresh new engine to replace it's base V8 model, however, LS3 is a couple years older, so I'd just like to think something new is right around the corner.

What I want and what is reality are two different things, though, LOL!
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:54 AM   #132
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Well to really beat the Mustang just give us 3.73 gears from the factory and problem solved. Then on paper they should be the same with just that change.
yeah true but then guys would be breaking there axles in the already weak problematic rear end!
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:55 AM   #133
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I agree!!! THIS IS BS
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:08 AM   #134
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This rumor reeks of internet forum posters. The rumor of the horsepower bump because of the fact that 5.0 Mustangs are faster in the 1/4 mile is false.

Unless Chevy proves that they are the same old financially stupid company as years past, they will not bump the power in the Camaro before the Corvette. It makes no sense to change the engine in the Corvette now. It also makes no financial sense to change the interior of the Camaro in its 3rd MY run. The cost of changing and retooling is not a smart move when there is no need. They need to refresh the car in 5 year runs like the Mustang in order to make a profit.


Also, Mustang versus Camaro facts.

Both transmission V6 Mustang's are faster than any V6 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than L99 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than LS3 Camaro.

6 speed manual versus 5.0 versus LS3 Camaro is very close and comes down to driver skill.

Overall, the Mustang is the faster car. Anyone who chooses to use 1 specific test to 'prove' the Camaro is faster and disregard all other heads up results is a GM shill.
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This rumor reeks of internet forum posters. The rumor of the horsepower bump because of the fact that 5.0 Mustangs are faster in the 1/4 mile is false.

Unless Chevy proves that they are the same old financially stupid company as years past, they will not bump the power in the Camaro before the Corvette. It makes no sense to change the engine in the Corvette now. It also makes no financial sense to change the interior of the Camaro in its 3rd MY run. The cost of changing and retooling is not a smart move when there is no need. They need to refresh the car in 5 year runs like the Mustang in order to make a profit.


Also, Mustang versus Camaro facts.

Both transmission V6 Mustang's are faster than any V6 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than L99 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than LS3 Camaro.

6 speed manual versus 5.0 versus LS3 Camaro is very close and comes down to driver skill.

Overall, the Mustang is the faster car. Anyone who chooses to use 1 specific test to 'prove' the Camaro is faster and disregard all other heads up results is a GM shill.


SHILL DEASE... This type of which is faster when one car directly BENCHMARKS another is about as dumb as bag of rocks being thrown at your brand new glass house

While the Automatic Camaro may lose to the Mustang GT Auto.. the Manny will run or beat both configs from the GT.

ALL racing with comparable cars is a DRIVER'S RACE. I've seen new Cobalt SSs beat pre-2011 Mustang GTS many times.

Lastly. GM would be VERY smart to continuously improve all of its cars, especially the ones that sell and are in high demand. The Corvette is in its last year possibly before we start seeing the C7 debut for sale the year after (2013) Chevy would be wise to give the C6 a bump in HP and possibly do away with the regular body Vette making the WIDEBODY (GS, Z06, ZR1) the standard thru-out the range. A push up to 450HP would be a helluva shot I the arm for an already 7 Model Year old vehicle that is still a world beater. 911 sales are worse yet it constantly improves itself. Not even to mention the horribly ugly GT-R from Nissan just got an improvement.

The price of changing the Camaro's interior is irrelevant, as GM, like all automakers, has coachwork done by a separate entity that absorbs the cost. Personally I think the current Camaro interior looks better than the current Mustangs and see no need for the change outside of the silver plastic gear area and a possible move of the cupholders. But the media constantly and consistently gripes about the Interior.. not to mention TROLLS... so GM is squashing the "problem" early on.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:21 PM   #137
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Didn't the LT-1 debut as a new engine in both Z28 and Corvette, though, the same year?
LT-1 was in the '92 vette and in the '93 camaro.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:22 PM   #138
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LT-1 was in the '92 vette and in the '93 camaro.
I thought that wast the LT1, not the Gen I LT-1
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:25 PM   #139
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I thought that wast the LT1, not the Gen I LT-1
Yeah, I wish they would have simply called the Gen III the LT2 so I wouldn't have to worry about confusing the two engines due to the "-", lol.
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Yeah, I wish they would have simply called the Gen III the LT2 so I wouldn't have to worry about confusing the two engines due to the "-", lol.
Potato - potahto, lol. It's easy for me to remember because that's when I fell in love with CAMARO I probably still have a little shootout where they pitted an LT-1 against an LT1 - that was pretty cool I guess that reverse-flow cooling and rubbish distributor wasn't enough for them to call it a Gen III, lol.

I do wonder if they'll come up with another cam or something. I believe the top end will support a bigger cam, but that's not going to help with MPGs, I'd imagine. However, in a case like yours, where it sounds like the car is running rich, I'm sure there's more power to be had That's how I'm trying to rationalize DI in my cabeza, lol.

Kinda' going back to the Y-bodies getting the Gen V first, I kinda' wonder how true that is in this climate. It seems to me that CAMARO is more mainstream and selling more, so why not keep up the enthusiasm and show the public it's not a big fat heavy pig of a car (not my opinion - just what I feel like a lot of the automotive press suggest it is) it is, and show GM's stuffing all the technology that car will support (and that money can buy) and try to continue to keep it's presence in the market strong and relative. That's just me though

It seems like if there weren't the baffles and resonators in the intake that most of the intake restriction (at this power level anyways) would be eliminated, for the most part. It'd be nice to have a little more Performance Parts support, but I'd rather GM keep the car up-to-date and high quality than focus on aftermarket parts I would likely be able to find a little less expensive. If Z28 gets a dual-mode exhaust, maybe SS could share it as an option, like 'Vette does - there's a bit of power. I think focusing on the chassis would be better, IMVHO. These 6.2s respond quite well to bolt-ons, so power, IMVHO, isn't as big a concern as handling.
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SHILL DEASE... This type of which is faster when one car directly BENCHMARKS another is about as dumb as bag of rocks being thrown at your brand new glass house
Sorry, but I don't understand any of this statement. You are a GM shill. You make no mention of the nerfed automatic V8 Camaro and you disregard its high weight and lower MPG in comparison to its main competitor the Mustang. To an unbiased observer, this would make the Mustang the superior product.

You are simply trying to prove to yourself that all of your GM purchases were the 'correct' choice by slamming the competition and praising the product you bought.

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While the Automatic Camaro may lose to the Mustang GT Auto.. the Manny will run or beat both configs from the GT.
There is no 'may' about it, it is a fact. You are also wrong about the LS3 being faster than an automatic 5.0. It is not.

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Lastly. GM would be VERY smart to continuously improve all of its cars, especially the ones that sell and are in high demand. The Corvette is in its last year possibly before we start seeing the C7 debut for sale the year after (2013) Chevy would be wise to give the C6 a bump in HP and possibly do away with the regular body Vette making the WIDEBODY (GS, Z06, ZR1) the standard thru-out the range. A push up to 450HP would be a helluva shot I the arm for an already 7 Model Year old vehicle that is still a world beater. 911 sales are worse yet it constantly improves itself. Not even to mention the horribly ugly GT-R from Nissan just got an improvement.
GM is not going to put any money into the Corvette before the C7. They are simply taking the product more upscale with high consumer cost/low Chevy cost options. GM is giving Corvette buyers very little real value with the GS as it is just fluff. I believe if they did not make a GS and just sold base/Z06/ZR1 their sales would not be off 66-75% from 2007 peaks as they are now.

Porsche is dripping millions of dollars away since the depression. It would be wise to do the exact opposite of Porsche to make money.

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The price of changing the Camaro's interior is irrelevant, as GM, like all automakers, has coachwork done by a separate entity that absorbs the cost.
False. The cost of change is passed on to the consumer. Having to produce spare parts for only a 2 year model run is stupid.

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But the media constantly and consistently gripes about the Interior.. not to mention TROLLS... so GM is squashing the "problem" early on.
False again. GM has said they win awards for the Camaro's interior. Your statement contradicts theirs.
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I would bet that you have no factual information saying one way or the other.
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I would bet that you have no factual information saying one way or the other.
Well they won't up the camaro without upping the vette. That's for sure.
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I would bet that you have no factual information saying one way or the other.
I agree.

It says RUMOR as the first word... I will believe it when I see what they changed to make more power.

Till then, it's just a RUMOR...
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I agree.

It says RUMOR as the first word... I will believe it when I see what they changed to make more power.

Till then, it's just a RUMOR...
You explain why rumors are bad and should never be given merit very well.
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My guess is GM will change the air intake system and the calibration to get a 15-20 hp increase. I think they would stay away from the camshaft and the cats as they probably do not want to spend a bunch of money re-validating any emissions. They make these small changes without spending a bunch of money. That's a reasonable mid-model change.
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The LS2 only lasted from 05 -07. The LS3 has already been out longer.

Not that it matters or means anything but ill throw it out their. (and I hate when people do this but oh well lol)

My friend who works at Lomar machine (local company) has been working on something to do with new fuel lines for the car.

Not sure if that means anything but thats what he told me.
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