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Old 10-25-2010, 04:10 AM   #120
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Wow I love all this speculation. Now here are questions I pose to myself and hopefully some people can answer reasonably.

1. How much weight would be saved going from the 6.2L to the new 5.5L (aluminum block right?) from just switching out engines?

2. Why not give the V6 the 3.0L LF3 engine! GM's got the engine, hopefully, they are just finishing up testing it.
none whatsoever, since it is still a smallblock v8. the Ls7 weighs the same as the ls3.

edit: GM's 5.5 v8 is the 6.2 block with the crank of the 4.8.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:51 AM   #121
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My guess would be ECM tune and possibly higher flowing cats, maybe from 4 to 2 cats and even possibly a slightly more aggressive cam. Also changing the gearing would help with the quarter, yes, but that doesn't increase the HP which is what is stated in the OP. Its really hard to say what the future holds for the 2012 Camaro SS! Im glad I decided to wait till 2012.

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Old 10-25-2010, 05:15 AM   #122
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OMG all these power increases and such making me wanna wait. Was going to trade in my V6 for 2010 SS or 11. Now i'm going to wait.
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:16 AM   #123
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This is awesome! However, folks there may be a few problems with your solutions. A gearing change would likely result in lower fuel economy all around. If it drops too low you will have to pay a GG tax. You have to pay to play.

My guess is a revised intake, tune and exhaust system.

Also, one thing about that C&D test? They tested another Mustang with the summer tires (not the "all season" tires) and it ran a 13.0 flat at 111. Basically they picked the slower time of the two. The Mustang simply has an advantage in most cases, lighter with just as much power to the wheels.
There is a loophole in the system that allows manufacturers to rate all vehicles the same mpg as long as the engine and trans are the same. You can use your highway gear model on the more efficient wheel/tire package for EPA testing and then give the magazines the 3.73 model with stickier rubber for testing. In fact, this is exactly what Ford did. Notice all the V8 M6 models are rated the same regardless of gear ratio?

Oh and power under the curve is what matters, so even if the Mustang puts out a similar PEAK power (at higher rpm) at the wheels, it is obviously not putting out equivalent average power or the SS wouldn't even stand a chance.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:03 AM   #124
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This rumor reeks of internet forum posters. The rumor of the horsepower bump because of the fact that 5.0 Mustangs are faster in the 1/4 mile is false.

Unless Chevy proves that they are the same old financially stupid company as years past, they will not bump the power in the Camaro before the Corvette. It makes no sense to change the engine in the Corvette now. It also makes no financial sense to change the interior of the Camaro in its 3rd MY run. The cost of changing and retooling is not a smart move when there is no need. They need to refresh the car in 5 year runs like the Mustang in order to make a profit.


Also, Mustang versus Camaro facts.

Both transmission V6 Mustang's are faster than any V6 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than L99 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than LS3 Camaro.

6 speed manual versus 5.0 versus LS3 Camaro is very close and comes down to driver skill.

Overall, the Mustang is the faster car. Anyone who chooses to use 1 specific test to 'prove' the Camaro is faster and disregard all other heads up results is a GM shill.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:12 AM   #125
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Ok f**k that! I would feel ripped off if they increase the hp on the ss
Well don't go buying any desktop or laptop computer because you are going to feel ripped off 6 months later. Seriously, products should improve year over year and should get better. That needs to be encouraged these days...
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:24 AM   #126
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Gen V with D.I.?
Possibly but I think that engine will debut in the vette at least 1 year before the camaro gets it (as did the L98, LT1, LS1 and LS3). If the vette gets the new engine in 2012 then the camaro won't get it until 2013.

They will more than likely give the LS3/L99 a nice send-off by giving it a better tune and better camshaft profile. As many have indicated already, the current factory tune is inefficient. I'm getting tired of wiping all the black soot off the back of my car from the unburned fuel.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:59 AM   #127
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I'll guess they bump it to 450 ...

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Old 10-25-2010, 11:09 AM   #128
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I wonder how they are going to work it into the rear seats. Guess they weren't good for much anyways.
Speak for yourself...giggidy giggidy! :updown:
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:37 AM   #129
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obviously you can never have enough power for these cars, the camaro is already at a big disadvantage because of its weight, ford mustang on the other hand is years ahead of the competition, it offers its customers more performance parts, the mustang has a supercharger with warranty already available, gm cant even make f-ing cold air intake for the camaro. the only good thing the camaro has going for it its the killer looks. GM really needs to start offering more performance parts with some kind of warranty, GM should start by offering the LS9 based supercharger as a complete kit for the camaro with some type of warranty and a real cold air intake, give us good tunes at the dealers with every power adder call it a day,
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:41 AM   #130
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, gm cant even make f-ing cold air intake for the camaro. ,
This is beyond ridiculous.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:45 AM   #131
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Possibly but I think that engine will debut in the vette at least 1 year before the camaro gets it (as did the L98, LT1, LS1 and LS3). If the vette gets the new engine in 2012 then the camaro won't get it until 2013.

They will more than likely give the LS3/L99 a nice send-off by giving it a better tune and better camshaft profile. As many have indicated already, the current factory tune is inefficient. I'm getting tired of wiping all the black soot off the back of my car from the unburned fuel.
You're probably right, but I'm still crossing my fingers. Didn't the LT-1 debut as a new engine in both Z28 and Corvette, though, the same year? Given CAMARO is only a few years old by then, I wouldn't typically think it'd get a fresh new engine to replace it's base V8 model, however, LS3 is a couple years older, so I'd just like to think something new is right around the corner.

What I want and what is reality are two different things, though, LOL!
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:54 AM   #132
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Well to really beat the Mustang just give us 3.73 gears from the factory and problem solved. Then on paper they should be the same with just that change.
yeah true but then guys would be breaking there axles in the already weak problematic rear end!
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This is beyond ridiculous.
I agree!!! THIS IS BS
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:08 PM   #134
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This rumor reeks of internet forum posters. The rumor of the horsepower bump because of the fact that 5.0 Mustangs are faster in the 1/4 mile is false.

Unless Chevy proves that they are the same old financially stupid company as years past, they will not bump the power in the Camaro before the Corvette. It makes no sense to change the engine in the Corvette now. It also makes no financial sense to change the interior of the Camaro in its 3rd MY run. The cost of changing and retooling is not a smart move when there is no need. They need to refresh the car in 5 year runs like the Mustang in order to make a profit.


Also, Mustang versus Camaro facts.

Both transmission V6 Mustang's are faster than any V6 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than L99 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than LS3 Camaro.

6 speed manual versus 5.0 versus LS3 Camaro is very close and comes down to driver skill.

Overall, the Mustang is the faster car. Anyone who chooses to use 1 specific test to 'prove' the Camaro is faster and disregard all other heads up results is a GM shill.
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This rumor reeks of internet forum posters. The rumor of the horsepower bump because of the fact that 5.0 Mustangs are faster in the 1/4 mile is false.

Unless Chevy proves that they are the same old financially stupid company as years past, they will not bump the power in the Camaro before the Corvette. It makes no sense to change the engine in the Corvette now. It also makes no financial sense to change the interior of the Camaro in its 3rd MY run. The cost of changing and retooling is not a smart move when there is no need. They need to refresh the car in 5 year runs like the Mustang in order to make a profit.


Also, Mustang versus Camaro facts.

Both transmission V6 Mustang's are faster than any V6 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than L99 Camaro.

Automatic 5.0 is faster than LS3 Camaro.

6 speed manual versus 5.0 versus LS3 Camaro is very close and comes down to driver skill.

Overall, the Mustang is the faster car. Anyone who chooses to use 1 specific test to 'prove' the Camaro is faster and disregard all other heads up results is a GM shill.


SHILL DEASE... This type of which is faster when one car directly BENCHMARKS another is about as dumb as bag of rocks being thrown at your brand new glass house

While the Automatic Camaro may lose to the Mustang GT Auto.. the Manny will run or beat both configs from the GT.

ALL racing with comparable cars is a DRIVER'S RACE. I've seen new Cobalt SSs beat pre-2011 Mustang GTS many times.

Lastly. GM would be VERY smart to continuously improve all of its cars, especially the ones that sell and are in high demand. The Corvette is in its last year possibly before we start seeing the C7 debut for sale the year after (2013) Chevy would be wise to give the C6 a bump in HP and possibly do away with the regular body Vette making the WIDEBODY (GS, Z06, ZR1) the standard thru-out the range. A push up to 450HP would be a helluva shot I the arm for an already 7 Model Year old vehicle that is still a world beater. 911 sales are worse yet it constantly improves itself. Not even to mention the horribly ugly GT-R from Nissan just got an improvement.

The price of changing the Camaro's interior is irrelevant, as GM, like all automakers, has coachwork done by a separate entity that absorbs the cost. Personally I think the current Camaro interior looks better than the current Mustangs and see no need for the change outside of the silver plastic gear area and a possible move of the cupholders. But the media constantly and consistently gripes about the Interior.. not to mention TROLLS... so GM is squashing the "problem" early on.
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