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Old 10-30-2010, 05:52 AM   #176
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Could you imagine

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I wondered how long it would take Alrox to get in here and dispel these RUMORS. I don't disagree with him though...this could be the Challenger V10 thread re-hashed all over again. I don't really care one way or the other, I have 2011, so any future change likely doesn't mean anything to me.
What if the Mustang had 376 cubic inches remember it only has 302
Credit where credit is due getting that much performance out of
5 litres is an acomplishment. I love my 010 ss/rs but the mustang with it's considerable lighter body would take over.
Chevy has to step up and add a few more ponys I know they can do it
this engine has enormous potential. I hope they don't do what they did with the V6 just add more HP on paper
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Old 10-30-2010, 07:05 AM   #177
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What if the Mustang had 376 cubic inches remember it only has 302
Credit where credit is due getting that much performance out of
5 liters is an accomplishment. I love my 010 ss/rs but the mustang with it's considerable lighter body would take over.
Chevy has to step up and add a few more ponys I know they can do it
this engine has enormous potential. I hope they don't do what they did with the V6 just add more HP on paper
I know that the 5.0 is great engine compared to the modular 4.6 engines before it but you cannot dismiss the technology that went into the LS based engine's that's in the camaro. Yes ford did a good job but they had no choice, seeing as how gm was already promoting the 400 hp plus then concept camaro.

Ford decided over a decade earlier to go with overhead cam small displacement V8 compared to gm's decision to overhead valve cam in block large displacement V8. We all know the LS engines have a high ceiling for mods to achieve high hp reliable without breaking the bank compared to extracting big hp from ohc engines, you can do it but it will cost you much more. With every thing being equal the mustang's only advantage over the camaro is it's lower weight. That will be resolved with the new 6th Gen. alpha based camaro. Power to weight ratio and being able to hook it up will win you races. I've seen a lot of mustangs at the track running LS engines and not mod motors over the years, they must know something. The LS engines are just as world class as the 5.0 engines, we get it done with more cubes instead of multiple valves and multiple cams.

We can easily and very reasonable make more hp but just remember gm will respond. Remember when the camaro back in the day had more power and was faster than the mustang but the mustang sold more car's. Now the camaro has the style and performance and that is why it is selling more.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:17 PM   #178
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I do not see what all the fuss is all about. Cause from what MOST I have seen, read, heard. Most Camaro owners don't keep one thing stock. So I don't see how a power bump is going to help? And Whether that 5.0 makes the power it makes. It has TWO cams and FOUR valves per cylinder. While the Camaro has... a single cam and only 2 valves per cylinder. Just imagine the trouble Ford would have if GM says "well shoot ford can do it, why cant we?" and the Camaro receives two cams and four valves per cylinder Not saying GM is and would ever do this to the LS family.... But just imagine the sh*t Ford would be barried in.
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:45 AM   #179
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I do not see what all the fuss is all about. Cause from what MOST I have seen, read, heard. Most Camaro owners don't keep one thing stock. So I don't see how a power bump is going to help? And Whether that 5.0 makes the power it makes. It has TWO cams and FOUR valves per cylinder. While the Camaro has... a single cam and only 2 valves per cylinder. Just imagine the trouble Ford would have if GM says "well shoot ford can do it, why cant we?" and the Camaro receives two cams and four valves per cylinder Not saying GM is and would ever do this to the LS family.... But just imagine the sh*t Ford would be barried in.
It's rumored that the next gen ls V8's will come in both ohv and dohc versions
and also most importantly direct injection.
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:50 AM   #180
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:28 PM   #181
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It's rumored that the next gen ls V8's will come in both ohv and dohc versions
and also most importantly direct injection.
oh sheesh.. ford is done before the battle begun
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:31 PM   #182
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oh sheesh.. ford is done before the battle begun
Number of valves and cams is irrelevant...it all depends on "how you use it".
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:50 PM   #183
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Regardless, it is a never ending battle between the two. The one thing you can count on is that there will always b one faster at any given time, with the other one developing a faster version. The hell with it. Comes down to style, and the Camaro looks sweet. Supercharge it...void the warranty, and you will be faster.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:56 PM   #184
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:41 PM   #185
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:01 AM   #187
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I know that the 5.0 is great engine compared to the modular 4.6 engines before it but you cannot dismiss the technology that went into the LS based engine's that's in the camaro. Yes ford did a good job but they had no choice, seeing as how gm was already promoting the 400 hp plus then concept camaro.

Ford decided over a decade earlier to go with overhead cam small displacement V8 compared to gm's decision to overhead valve cam in block large displacement V8. We all know the LS engines have a high ceiling for mods to achieve high hp reliable without breaking the bank compared to extracting big hp from ohc engines, you can do it but it will cost you much more. With every thing being equal the mustang's only advantage over the camaro is it's lower weight. That will be resolved with the new 6th Gen. alpha based camaro. Power to weight ratio and being able to hook it up will win you races. I've seen a lot of mustangs at the track running LS engines and not mod motors over the years, they must know something. The LS engines are just as world class as the 5.0 engines, we get it done with more cubes instead of multiple valves and multiple cams.

We can easily and very reasonable make more hp but just remember gm will respond. Remember when the camaro back in the day had more power and was faster than the mustang but the mustang sold more car's. Now the camaro has the style and performance and that is why it is selling more.
Pffft...not die hard Ford racers....

Not sure where you are sourcing your facts...

3rd gen Camaro was < the fox bodied Mustang from '87 to '93. I consider that "back in the day" as that is the generation of cars I grew up with. In fact, I raced both a '85 and '90 Mustang coupe N/A 11 sec. 302 cars and never once came up against a street legal 3rd gen. Camaro that offered any competition. My biggest competitor was the Buick GN. (That is a fantastic car BTW.)

Comparing the '11 Mustang to the 5th gen Camaro shows that the Mustang has the drag strip advantage. $1,500 in mods you can have a 11 sec. Mustang. Not possible in the Camaro. Main reason I switched back. I was looking at $6.5K in mods to get to the same point in the 5th gen.

Looks are subjective. All opinionated and they come and go.

Not taking anything away from the 5th gen. I enjoyed my Camaro and felt it was a good car. In comparison to the 2011 GT at the strip, it just doesn't measure up with regards to performance for $$$.
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GM has to be careful with power increases, the gas guzzler tax currently sits at 22.5mpg (25/24mpg currently with the 6M/6A). DI will improve mpg but I cannot see DI in the LS3 due to clearance complications with the intake pushrods. DI will be standard only in the raised cam 5.5l whenever it debuts.

A lower final gear ratio or a lower transmission gear set will also affect mpg, more than an HP bump. Gears offered as option though would not affect the rating at all. Ultimately, GM will cater to the masses and that would be the mpg crowd and CAFE/EPA. Yes, Horsepower sells, but MPGs are forever and that will mitigate drooping sales after pent up demand dwindles. I expect interior to trump an HP boost since the GG tax is so close.

Any improvements GM has in store for next year should be kept tight lipped. Releasing any info on upcoming changes will ultimately discourage loyal consumers from buying the current MY11. Impulse buyers usually don't stay with a product nearly as long as loyal GM buyers, and do their buying when the product is new.

As MY10 closed out on June 7th, there were 29k 2010s left unsold. Any leaks that would damage those sales or the sales of the MY11 is highly ill advised.

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