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Old 01-05-2009, 10:11 AM   #1
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Dealership Closings

I have been following this subject since the hearings. Congress wants both GM and Ford to reduce the number of Dealerships but now that neither will be in Chapter 11 it may be dificult. Dealership closings could have an impact on orders and allotments for the new Camaro.

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Old 01-05-2009, 10:16 AM   #2
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In their proposed plans, GM had provisions to eliminate some 1200 or so dealers by 2012. I'm confident they'll get it done...they can't afford not to.

I also thought their focus was merging smaller dealers into larger ones as opposed to outright closing them all?
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:13 PM   #3
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In their proposed plans, GM had provisions to eliminate some 1200 or so dealers by 2012. I'm confident they'll get it done...they can't afford not to.

I also thought their focus was merging smaller dealers into larger ones as opposed to outright closing them all?
If nothing else, closing a bunch of dealerships would inherently drive the price to the buyer UP towards MSRP. Dealers don't give us deals because they want to, they give us deals because of competition. Problem with the whole thing is it doesn't make GM any more money doing it. It makes the dealers more profitable but not GM.
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Well what happens to the owners of the dealership they just get screwed or what cause my dad best friends owns a dealership and it is a very small dealership but does well and its where i ordered my camaro from. I would hate for that to happen to any one who own/runs/works for a dealership.
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Well what happens to the owners of the dealership they just get screwed or what cause my dad best friends owns a dealership and it is a very small dealership but does well and its where i ordered my camaro from. I would hate for that to happen to any one who own/runs/works for a dealership.
They'd get a buyout similar to the Oldsmobile dealers I would assume.
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If nothing else, closing a bunch of dealerships would inherently drive the price to the buyer UP towards MSRP. Dealers don't give us deals because they want to, they give us deals because of competition. Problem with the whole thing is it doesn't make GM any more money doing it. It makes the dealers more profitable but not GM.
Since first reading this thread earlier, I've been wondering how the closings save GM money, and what does it do for the buyer if anything, because I couldn't see how it benefited either. So why the push to close them? We must be missing something.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:34 PM   #7
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Since first reading this thread earlier, I've been wondering how the closings save GM money, and what does it do for the buyer if anything, because I couldn't see how it benefited either. So why the push to close them? We must be missing something.
This is right from GM.

"As indicated, the number of GM retailers is expected to decline to 4,700 by 2012. This will occur primarily in metropolitan and suburban areas where GM has too many dealers to serve the market. In the Plan, it is projected these dealers will be reduced by 35%, increasing annual throughput for the remaining outlets to a more competitive level with other high-volume manufacturers. GM‘s distribution strength in rural areas, which is a significant competitive advantage, will be largely preserved. GM intends to have the right number of brands, sold by the right number of dealers, in the right locations to obtain maximum profitability for GM and the retailer network."
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:35 PM   #8
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Yes, usually the dealers get screwed and there isn't a whole lot they can do except grin and bear it....

The Oldsmobile buyout was a bunch of crap....my families dealership value went from something very valuable one day to "whatever GM thought it was worth" the next day.

If/when GM decides to 'right-size' their dealership network, I hope they put a little more thought into it this time.
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This is right from GM.

...sold by the right number of dealers, in the right locations to obtain maximum profitability for GM and the retailer network."
And doing so makes GM more profitable how? Obviously it should make the dealership more profitable without having to have price wars with other local dealers, but GM ? Unless of course, GM ups invoice pricing to dealers too since the dealers shouldn't have to discount them to us as much...
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I haven't got a clue. All I can do is quote.

But I do know that one of the big deals in this issue was that Toyota sells almost the same amount of cars as GM with less dealers. And for some reason -- that was bad for GM. I don't understand the logistics of it, though. :(
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Yea... this is something I don't understand. How can making it harder for consumers and most likely more expensive consumers help GM? I guess they have a price per dealer when it comes to stuff like training, etc but it can't be that much... It's not like they're getting rid of the costs of maintaining an entire brand as it was with Olds. Maybe they should increase the invoice on cars while keeping MSRP where it is (or lower)?
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:25 PM   #12
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Dear GM:

Here is a Hint: CLOSE / END all agreements with any dealers that are offering makes other than GM at thier shops. I.E. Anderson Cadillac Kia, Johny's Chevrolet Hummer Toyota Suzuki. Support the dealers who have been loyal to GM and get rid of these mega stores that usually have crappy service and compete DIRECTLY with your product.

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Old 01-05-2009, 03:33 PM   #13
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Since first reading this thread earlier, I've been wondering how the closings save GM money, and what does it do for the buyer if anything, because I couldn't see how it benefited either. So why the push to close them? We must be missing something.
The only thing I can think of is reducing transportation costs, but since the plan is to reduce the number in big cities, it just means the truck doesn't have to go across town to make all it's deliveries, so it won't help much. I think it's just Congress once again having no idea what it's talking about, thinking the over-saturation of dealerships that have paid to use GM's name somehow hurts GM itself.
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It really seems like they think that GM owns and operates the dealerships. That's the only way I can understand why this would save GM money and why they think it would be so easy just to close some of them.
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If they don't have obligation to so many dealerships, they wont have to stock as many units on each showroom floor. When they have all the aging inventory sitting around they have to put huge rebates on them, which cme from the factorySimple supply and demand. Reduction in units and employees mean reduction in dealerships and cost. No flaming just an IMO.
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The dealer I bought from is small, they only got 2 Camaros, but the next closest dealer is like 100 miles away. So my question is even tho they do not sell many cars, will they probably stay open due to location?
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The dealer I bought from is small, they only got 2 Camaros, but the next closest dealer is like 100 miles away. So my question is even tho they do not sell many cars, will they probably stay open due to location?
I think that location will play a big part of it. There is 1 Chevy dealership in my town, which is the largest town in western Nebraska. There are a few other Chevy dealerships in smaller towns within 10-50 miles so my guess is they might close the smaller dealers in those areas and people will just have to go to the larger city's dealer in their area. But as it's been stated in other threads the main reason they are probably doing it is to get rid of the metro area dealers where you find 4-5 Chevy dealers in a 2-mile radius when there really only needs to be 1 or 2 of them around.

I would hate to think that they will close down all the smaller dealers and make some of us have to drive 1-2 hrs to get to an authorized Chevy service dept. for warranty issues.....
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If they don't have obligation to so many dealerships, they wont have to stock as many units on each showroom floor. When they have all the aging inventory sitting around they have to put huge rebates on them, which cme from the factorySimple supply and demand. Reduction in units and employees mean reduction in dealerships and cost. No flaming just an IMO.
Yes, but surely GM, as well as each dealership, attempt to adjust their number of stock cars according to demand, so that rebates are based more on cyclical demand than number of dealerships. And the dealerships pay their employees, not GM.
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Yes, but surely GM, as well as each dealership, attempt to adjust their number of stock cars according to demand, so that rebates are based more on cyclical demand than number of dealerships. And the dealerships pay their employees, not GM.
Goes back to the same argument-> the idea of reducing the number of dealerships, just to reduce them, is bizarre. It saves GM nothing IMO. In fact, it may cost them in the long run if people have to drive further distances to get there than to a local competitor.

Where GM has always missed the boat, IMO, is not allowing brand "A" to do warranty work on brand "B". I couldn't take my old man's 02 Camaro SS to the much closer dealer I bought my GTO from to scan, AND DO WARRANTY WORK if necessary, for a check engine light. What does GM care if a Pontiac dealer or a Chevy dealer replaces, in that case, a catalytic converter?
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The dealer I bought from is small, they only got 2 Camaros, but the next closest dealer is like 100 miles away. So my question is even tho they do not sell many cars, will they probably stay open due to location?
Your dealer probably won't close. Like it was said above: Location is everything in this issue. It's people like me who will lose dealers. I can count off at least 5 prominant Chevy dealers within minutes of each other around here. Is that not a little redundant?


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Where GM has always missed the boat, IMO, is not allowing brand "A" to do warranty work on brand "B". I couldn't take my old man's 02 Camaro SS to the much closer dealer I bought my GTO from to scan, AND DO WARRANTY WORK if necessary, for a check engine light. What does GM care if a Pontiac dealer or a Chevy dealer replaces, in that case, a catalytic converter?
I thought GM dealers can do that now. The whole GM Goodwrench thing?...
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Your dealer probably won't close. Like it was said above: Location is everything in this issue. It's people like me who will lose dealers. I can count off at least 5 prominant Chevy dealers within minutes of each other around here. Is that not a little redundant?

Isn't that the truth.

I thought GM dealers can do that now. The whole GM Goodwrench thing?...
Someone ought to tell that to Murphy Pontiac 10 minutes from where I work...
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Your dealer probably won't close. Like it was said above: Location is everything in this issue. It's people like me who will lose dealers. I can count off at least 5 prominant Chevy dealers within minutes of each other around here. Is that not a little redundant?
Unfortunately, the only chevy dealership within reasonable driving distance of me is worthless.

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I thought GM dealers can do that now. The whole GM Goodwrench thing?...
I also thought this was the case...
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I think what we all may be missing is the WARRANTY part of it. Maybe warranty only is manufacturer specific?
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Another local GM dealer just closed up a state up from me that I bought several cars from. I was pissed...they were good people.
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I believe that if the company actually owned and controlled the dealerships then it would be in their favor. The dealer represents the company to the public's eye and if the dealer sucks then people will go to another brand/dealer. The mistake is GM is selling the cars to the dealers and then washing their hands of it. Many on this very forum have had complaints about dealers and get pissed at GM when they can't rectify the problem, "sorry, dealers are independently owned - can't help you." True?
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