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Old 07-27-2010, 06:58 PM   #1
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Z/28 vs GT500

It's widely thought on the interwebs that the GT500 is going to be quicker than the Z/28 due to it's expected weight advantage. But the CTS-V with the LSA that the Z/28 will (likely) get has a 40 lb/ft torque advantage and all my research shows a consensus of a 3.9 0-60, versus the 4.0 - 4.4 times I see for the Stang. Besides, I seriously doubt Chevy, oops... Chevrolet will follow up with an inferior product. What do you guys think?
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:14 PM   #2
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speed is not the only thing about a car, so I don't think it would be inferior or superior we just don't know yet, but to say car A is better than car B just because it's faster isn't that sensible.
This is one of the most sensible posts I've seen on the wars between the Mustang and Camaro.
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:15 PM   #3
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To hard to say right now. I think Ford is playing a waiting game right now, at least they have hinted at it.

They could easily add another 100 hp to the GT500.

I think the Z/28 will come out and be right at or a little faster than the GT500. I think Ford answers by upping the hp of the GT500. HP wars are good.
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Here are some opinions from both sides of the picture.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...010-gt500.html

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...t500-vs-cts-v/
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:22 PM   #5
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It's widely thought on the interwebs that the GT500 is going to be quicker than the Z/28 due to it's expected weight advantage. But the CTS-V with the LSA that the Z/28 will (likely) get has a 40 lb/ft torque advantage and all my research shows a consensus of a 3.9 0-60, versus the 4.0 - 4.4 times I see for the Stang. Besides, I seriously doubt Chevy, oops... Chevrolet will follow up with an inferior product. What do you guys think?
I think 0-60 times are for magazine racers only---> That is like racing to the end of my driveway. I also don't think GM wants to get into a HP war with the GT500, since there is much more upside HP in the Ford, if required.
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Sleestack your an idiot. Why wouldn't Gm go in a HP war thats what muscle cars are all about aren't they. you drive a dodge for gods sake
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I think 0-60 times are for magazine racers only---> That is like racing to the end of my driveway. I also don't think GM wants to get into a HP war with the GT500, since there is much more upside HP in the Ford, if required.
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Sleestack your an idiot. Why wouldn't Gm go in a HP war thats what muscle cars are all about aren't they. you drive a dodge for gods sake
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Sleestack your an idiot. Why wouldn't Gm go in a HP war thats what muscle cars are all about aren't they. you drive a dodge for gods sake
I certainly hope they go into a hp war.

660 hp is nothing for the GT500 and ford will even warranty at those levels.
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Old 07-27-2010, 09:46 PM   #10
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I think 0-60 times are for magazine racers only---> That is like racing to the end of my driveway. I also don't think GM wants to get into a HP war with the GT500, since there is much more upside HP in the Ford, if required.
GM has not cracked the full potential of the LSA yet either. And I dont really see GM saying "Well Ford is better so we better not push them around".
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It's widely thought on the interwebs that the GT500 is going to be quicker than the Z/28 due to it's expected weight advantage. But the CTS-V with the LSA that the Z/28 will (likely) get has a 40 lb/ft torque advantage and all my research shows a consensus of a 3.9 0-60, versus the 4.0 - 4.4 times I see for the Stang. Besides, I seriously doubt Chevy, oops... Chevrolet will follow up with an inferior product. What do you guys think?
Z28 > GT500
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The reality is we don't know NEAR enough about the Z to guess how it'll perform. All we've got is a piece of paper taped to the dashboard of a cobbled together test-mule that says 6.2L Supercharged.

That said -- you're last statement is dead-on, I think. They're not going to come "late" to the game with an inferior product. So....expect something good.
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I certainly hope they go into a hp war.

660 hp is nothing for the GT500 and ford will even warranty at those levels.
GM basically does that now with the LS9 @ 638 Hp. All LS series based off the same engine ... LS3 LS7 LSA LS9

Seems like a pretty good start to me, let the wars begin !!
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GM basically does that now with the LS9 @ 638 Hp. All LS series based off the same engine ... LS3 LS7 LSA LS9

Seems like a pretty good start to me, let the wars begin !!
The Z28 will not have more hp than the top of the line Corvette.

The Corvette is a glass ceiling the GT500 doesn't have to worry about.
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The Z28 will not have more hp than the top of the line Corvette.

The Corvette is a glass ceiling the GT500 doesn't have to worry about.
Who's to say the corvette will stay where it is? I could very easily see a 1000hp corvette in the future. The bar can always get moved up until the government decides to end it. Just like in the late sixties and early seventies.

Plus you got to remember the corvette will be faster with the same HP anyhow because it's nearly 1000lbs lighter than the camaro.
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Who's to say the corvette will stay where it is? I could very easily see a 1000hp corvette in the future. The bar can always get moved up until the government decides to end it. Just like in the late sixties and early seventies.

Plus you got to remember the corvette will be faster with the same HP anyhow because it's nearly 1000lbs lighter than the camaro.

Definitely. The Corvette will have to go up in hp. They are not going to sell a Camaro that is much faster than the base Corvette.

I already think the Z28 will cut into Corvette sales as it is. And the Corvette hasn't been selling to hot lately.

You can get your Super Snake in the 800hp variety this year.
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I certainly hope they go into a hp war.

660 hp is nothing for the GT500 and ford will even warranty at those levels.
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iirc, they do sell an SVT pulley swap or supercharger swap or something that bumps the power up...you have to PAY handsomely for it, though....
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What are you bsing?

The Super Pack you can have installed on your 2011 GT500 at a Ford dealership ups the rating to 660hp and you retain your warranty.

My friend had the Super Pack installed on his 2010 GT500. The car put down 585rwhp. For 2010 they rated the Super Pack installed GT500 at 605hp. just a slight underrating.

For 2011 they rate it at 660hp.

They will offer a supercharger package for the 5.0s also. And you can still keep your warranty. I don't know what the rating will be with the pack though. Probably 500-550ish hp.
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iirc, they do sell an SVT pulley swap or supercharger swap or something that bumps the power up...you have to PAY handsomely for it, though....
On the Mustang?
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What are you bsing?

The Super Pack you can have installed on your 2011 GT500 at a Ford dealership ups the rating to 660hp and you retain your warranty.

My friend had the Super Pack installed on his 2010 GT500. The car put down 585rwhp. For 2010 they rated the Super Pack installed GT500 at 605hp. just a slight underrating.

For 2011 they rate it at 660hp.
660? You sure?
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iirc, they do sell an SVT pulley swap or supercharger swap or something that bumps the power up...you have to PAY handsomely for it, though....
They put on a much better TVS blower.
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What are you bsing?

The Super Pack you can have installed on your 2011 GT500 at a Ford dealership ups the rating to 660hp and you retain your warranty.

My friend had the Super Pack installed on his 2010 GT500. The car put down 585rwhp. For 2010 they rated the Super Pack installed GT500 at 605hp. just a slight underrating.

For 2011 they rate it at 660hp.

They will offer a supercharger package for the 5.0s also. And you can still keep your warranty. I don't know what the rating will be with the pack though. Probably 500-550ish hp.
I dont doubt it, but how much was it?
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iirc, they do sell an SVT pulley swap or supercharger swap or something that bumps the power up...you have to PAY handsomely for it, though....
They sell it ,but the warranty is a fight. I know from experience. I read on teamshelby about a guy that toasted his clutch in a 2010 GT500 and ford wouldn't make good on it because he had the pulley.
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