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Old 10-31-2010, 06:27 PM   #1
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Is 500-550rwhp to much for BMR rear cradle INSERTS

Would it do the car any good or be worth the money to install street version inserts with street version diff bushings with 500-550rwhp? This would be used do to the fact that install is much simpler on the inserts but if the power requires pro then thats thats. Thanks
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Old 10-31-2010, 06:59 PM   #2
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from talking with Pedders, Pfadt and BMR the bushings for the rear subframe are most important, whether inserts or replacements, also Pfadt has solid ones. I am going with a full kit and then going to sway bars, all the manufacturers say the first step to a better handling car starts with bushings. With 500 to 550 HP the replacement or solid would probably be the best.
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Old 10-31-2010, 07:02 PM   #3
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with that much power i'd go with full bushings and not inserts.
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Old 10-31-2010, 07:44 PM   #4
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I would definitely recommend the Pfadt solid sub frame mounts for your application. The "solid" part scares a lot of people but it's not harsh or even uncomfortable. I would describe it as just more connected.
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We are pushing 620 to the rear wheels and drag race the hell out of the car. We've watched plenty of GoPro video of our suspension during these runs and there is no movement whatsoever from the cradle since we upgraded to the full bushings (BK024). You would easily be fine with the BK024 full cradle bushings with the horsepower numbers you provided.

As for the inserts, we typically recommend them for stock to slightly modified cars and the full bushings for everything else. The inserts (BK016) are still a huge upgrade over the OE bushing and will help a lot but with a lot of horsepower you are still subject to the limitations of the OE rubber in the factory bushing...
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thank you. Most of the instructions are good but at the bottome where you just start taking stuff off the cradle I get confused as alot of those parts I dont know what they are without pictures!
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I would just have to call as I had questions. What exactly would I have to used to get the old ones out since I dont have a press!
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I would just have to call as I had questions. What exactly would I have to used to get the old ones out since I dont have a press!
The simplest way is to use a sawzall and cut through the cradle bushing from the center hole outward. Do this in two spots per bushing then the rest of the bushing can be knocked out easily.

The diff bushings are actually more difficult. You can force the sawzall blade through the void in the rubber then saw outward. You have to be careful though because the key is to cut through the outer steel bushing shell without cutting the aluminum differential ear that it's mounted in. The G8's all had aluminum bushing shells and it was so much easier to remove them. Not sure why the Camaro has steel shells but it definitely makes the install more difficult...
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:22 AM   #9
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I have decided to just go with street setup with inserts as I know I can do them on my own and they will be better than stock. Plenty of cars running just stock and doing ok but I want a little better. I go to drag 1-2 times per year and never track coarse it so I should be ok.
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I have decided to just go with street setup with inserts as I know I can do them on my own and they will be better than stock. Plenty of cars running just stock and doing ok but I want a little better. I go to drag 1-2 times per year and never track coarse it so I should be ok.
No matter whether you use the inserts or the bushings it will be an improvement over stock so it will definitely benefit you. I can definitely understand wanting to do the inserts over the bushings due to the ease of install and since most of your time driving the car is spent putting around town you shouldn't have any issues using the inserts rather than the bushings.
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THANKS! Now if I can get my wife to order them for christmas!
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:47 PM   #12
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THANKS! Now if I can get my wife to order them for christmas!
Now that is something I won't be able to help you with!
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Old 11-02-2010, 02:26 PM   #13
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Do you guys offer the red g force axles>? If so shoot me a shipped price on those to 72417
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Do you guys offer the red g force axles>? If so shoot me a shipped price on those to 72417
I will give Chris @ Gforce a call tomorrow and see what I can do for you on the powder coated red axles like the ones we have on our shop car. Look for a PM tomorrow.
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