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Old 01-06-2009, 10:12 PM   #1
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Review gripe prediction: light clutch

I was looking at a review from Edmunds of the G8 GXP and I noticed something that sounded familiar...

"We're not as convinced about the clutch, however. The engagement point is easy enough to detect, but the pedal effort is too light."

I remembered back to Jamey's thoughts from when he got to drive HeatherR's red 1SS...

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The clutch is very easy. I got used to it immediately. I let the clutch out in Bryans gravel driveway almost at idle so I wouldn't throw any rocks, and the car didn't sputter or start to stall. Once you get a feel for where it starts to grab upon pedal release, you're golden. Very much like what my 2002 Z06 felt like. Just for reference purposes, my wife learned to drive the Z06 in about 10 minutes and then drove it all the time without any problems. Shifter throw is smooth and relatively short. The clutch pedal is very light, actually lighter than my preference. I'm more used to the one in my 71 Vette, which takes a lot more pedal effort. I like it a little heavier, but as long as it bites good, I can live with the lighter pedal.
Just a heads up on what we can expect. If that's all the gripes (they didn't have much more for the GXP and loved it overall) I think they're going to be madly in love with the Camaro SS.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:30 PM   #2
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I have to agree completely about the above points, at least to the V6 camaro I sat in, but I absolutely loved it about the car. It was very easy to tell when the clutch engaged, which is good, and yet light enough to where it wouldn't kill your leg in heavy traffic...

I saw it as a good thing.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:34 PM   #3
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Yea, being that I've not driven a stick much (never owned one) this sounds like a good thing to me; at least as long as it's not super light. I guess the reviewers see it differently though.

Can someone enlighten me as to why this would be a bad thing?
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:37 PM   #4
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Too light of a clutch and it becomes difficult to judge when its engaged, and slipping the clutch becomes a bit trickier.

Not so good for a performance car.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:33 AM   #5
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This may be a dumb question but i'm not the most car savvy guy around, anyways. Will the clutch feel hydraulic or more like a cable? The reason i ask is because on my lancer it feels more like it's pulling on a cable as opposed to my mom's S2000 which feels needs a little more force to push. it would be perfect if it feels in between. i realize i sound like a moron by the way lol
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:31 AM   #6
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Yea, being that I've not driven a stick much (never owned one) this sounds like a good thing to me; at least as long as it's not super light. I guess the reviewers see it differently though.

Can someone enlighten me as to why this would be a bad thing?
IMO light clutches are a lot harded to drive then medium feedback clutches. I'm sure it's more of an opinion than a fact, though.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:33 AM   #7
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This may be a dumb question but i'm not the most car savvy guy around, anyways. Will the clutch feel hydraulic or more like a cable? The reason i ask is because on my lancer it feels more like it's pulling on a cable as opposed to my mom's S2000 which feels needs a little more force to push. it would be perfect if it feels in between. i realize i sound like a moron by the way lol
I doubt that 90% of the forum has ever driven a cable clutch. It's a whole different animal. For one, it's harder than a hydraulic clutch. So I think you might be thinking of it backwards. Cable means you are personally doing the work to operate the clutch. Hydraulic means you are being assisted.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:54 AM   #8
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I doubt that 90% of the forum has ever driven a cable clutch. It's a whole different animal. For one, it's harder than a hydraulic clutch. So I think you might be thinking of it backwards. Cable means you are personally doing the work to operate the clutch. Hydraulic means you are being assisted.
yea maybe i did have it backwards. thanks for the info though
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All very subjective judgments and everyone might see it differently, but I'm encouraged by the reviews so far showing light effort but good feedback and feel.
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:09 PM   #10
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my Festiva had a cable clutch, if i remember right, & was a bit heavier than the one in the GMC. i never had a problem feeling either, but it's definitely easier on my left knee with the lighter pedal, especially in traffic.
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Like I said, I liked it.

I don't think you'll have a problem with it.
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:20 PM   #12
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As long as it give good feedback to the engage point I don't see any problem.

No two cars I have ever owned the Clutch felt was the same on, and even when I replaced them they felt different than what they did before.

Right now it's just based on someone elses perception. You need to wait and judge it to your own liking if you listen to others, Heck someone that that is used to a really light clutch may think the Camaro's is heavy yet someone that is used to a heavy clutch may think it is too light...
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:25 PM   #13
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True dat.

The first lesson my step-dad taught me when teaching me to drive stick is "clutches are like living things. No two are alike."
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:47 PM   #14
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I dont want it to be like trying to smash a brick and am glad thats how it will be. The clutch in my cav is perfect(for me) but as everyone else said it is still different after the clutch was changed. The one in my old porsche had an adjustible spring to assist you to make it like a feather all the way to heavy, I kept some weight to it.
I drove a friends WRX and that clutch was HEAVY. I got in my car a little while afterward and was slamming the clutch down accidentially because I still had the motion of driving the other car lol.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #15
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When I went from a stock clutch to a spec stage 3 in my 98 there was a huge difference. The spec was so much heavier then the stock. But after about 2k miles it seemed to get better. So even if it starts out to heavy for u put some miles on it before u complain. Lol.

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Old 01-24-2009, 07:12 PM   #16
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I doubt that 90% of the forum has ever driven a cable clutch. It's a whole different animal. For one, it's harder than a hydraulic clutch. So I think you might be thinking of it backwards. Cable means you are personally doing the work to operate the clutch. Hydraulic means you are being assisted.
Anyone who has driven a pre-2005 manual Mustang has driven a cable clutch. The effort is a LOT more than the hydraulic assist 2005-up Mustang. For a daily driver, you want a hydraulic assist clutch.
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It has been quite a while since I've driven a GM vehicle with a manual. If it ends up being too light, will you be able to adjust it at all or will it require some type of modification or kit to resolve?
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It has been quite a while since I've driven a GM vehicle with a manual. If it ends up being too light, will you be able to adjust it at all or will it require some type of modification or kit to resolve?
Probably some type of modification - like a spring or something.
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